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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica823 View Post
    Yes, it is amazing isn't. Did you know that back in the day restaurants (including fast food restaurants) used coconut oil? It has long been known for it's amazing health properties. When the whole nonsense started about cholesterol that has no real good scientific backing and has actually lead to worse health conditions that is when the restaurants switched to vegetable oils.

    I am so glad I can help. I can only imagine the frustration, day in and day out, of stepping on that scale. That first day when I stepped on it on p3 and I had gained over 3 pounds I thought I was really scared that it would all come back on. I was reading things like slowly increasing calories but I had to stop and think of what was actually healthy. For most people, and there is some differences based on blood type, sensitivities and such the best way to be lean is to consume a diet that is rich in fat and protein. I mean, when you stop and think about it for the last month or so (however long you were on the hcg phase 2 portion of the diet) we trained our bodies to burn fat as fuel. By continuing a diet rich in fats you will continue to provide your body with a good source of energy.

    You have to stop and think about how we would eat if you took away modern agriculture and grocery stores. We would be eating mostly meat that we killed/caught, nuts/seeds, berries and fruits/veggies. Once you read the book eat fat lose fat and also watch the movie it will also make more sense. Both of those sources say it so much better than I ever can. I don't think it is ever appropriate to have a low fat diet. Now, if you eat a high fat, high sugar, high carb diet you are in for a disaster. However, if you pick between high carb/low fat or low carb/high fat I think with enough research you will find the low carb/high fat diet to actually produce the healthiest people in terms of mental health, physical health and emotional health.

    I'm not sure what the proportions should be for stage 4, or basically for life maintenance but that is what I am going to start researching and I will let you know when I figure it out.

    I've known about eating these healthy high fats for quite some time and it has worked wonderfully. A few years ago I lost 20 pounds just by light jogging a few times a week and increasing the fat in my diet. The weight came off easily and I stabilized at 150 for over a year, even after I stopped jogging. Last June we experienced a missed miscarriage when I was 16 weeks pregnant and it somehow wreaked havoc on my body. My weight kept going up and up and up no matter what I did. I gained nearly 40 pounds from last June until when I started this hcg diet in desperation last month. I am so thankful that it is working.

    My problem and the one that this diet has seriously helped me with is that all though I increased my fats appropriately I had a severe issue with sugar and I also ate too many carbs. I am amazed how satisfied I am becoming in stage 3. I do still rely on the cocoa crack for those sweet cravings when I have them and for that reason I am going to continue making it to fulfill my sugar cravings but I'm noticing the cravings are really reducing. When I was young the sugar cravings didn't matter. My metabolism was super fast and I could eat a snickers every day for breakfast and eat crap the rest of the day and my weight stayed the same. I was always super skinny in high school. But I've learned over the years that being a certain weight does not imply health. You can be skinny and survive eating crap processed foods that are full of chemicals, genetically modified and nowhere resemble true food. You may look healthy on the outside but when you hit your 30's, 40's, and if you're lucky not until you're 50's you will start to experience a gradual (sometimes swift) downward spiral in health.

    If we're smart we'll come to the realization that if you can't shoot it, pick it or grow it, you shouldn't eat it. Now, we're all going to eat fake food on occasion but we are fooling ourselves if we think we can eat out of boxes all day and live with physical health, emotional health, spiritual and mental health. I think my favorite part of the hcg diet is that it gets people back to the roots of food. It forces them to stop eating boxed food and start cooking real food with real spices.

    Sorry for my rant, I hope it didn't come across that way it is just something I've become very passionate about.
    Hi Jessica,
    Thanks for your posts and info. I am reading "Eat Fat Lose Fat" and have followed my local Weston Price chapter for a few years. But only now that I've lost weight am I really taking their principles seriously. I'm realizing how much eating enough fat helps my cravings, energy, blood sugar....but I have to be prepared and really make a point to get enough in. I'm going to make your cocoa crack recipe....just wondering what brand of powdered stevia you use? I have Truvia at home but don't love it. I have some stevia drops that I'll try in the meantime.

    Thanks for sharing your experiences and recipes-it's really helpful! My first round I had a great P3/P4, second round I screwed it up with the holidays, and this time I am looking to make it stick! I'd like to lose 10 more and wonder if I can do it the "eat fat, lose fat" way. We'll see.
    Round 1 Aug 2011: 220-200/-20
    Round 2 Oct-Nov 2011: 200-181/-19
    Round 3 Jan 2012: Pre-load 188-172 (gained 7 over holidays)/-15





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    Quote Originally Posted by physicallyatmybest View Post
    Could someone please help me I don't know what to do. I am really desperate I am having a hard time stabilizing in p3 I started at 171 I am r1d14p3 and I just keep on gaining and gaining now I am 174.6. I am not adding them all at once I took my time I had 1 steak day which helped me lose .6 and then I gained again so I did egg day .6 again and then when I gained over my LDW I did the egg day and it didn't work anymore. I am broke and have very limited resources. Even though I don't try the cheese, milk or nuts on a particular day I still gain. I eat 2 fruits and as much veggies as I can. I drink 3 and half liters of water every day below is a sample of the food I eat.


    Breakfast

    2 eggs
    2 bacon strips
    1 hotdog
    1orange

    Lunch

    Omelet with ham (2eggs and 2ham)
    1 Hotdog
    1orange

    Dinner
    Chicken salad
    2bacon strips

    Please help me..

    Thank you.
    I see lots of processed foods, salt and pork products. You had a LOT of pork this day. For me...I can't eat any pork products without gaining. Never knew I had an issue with pork until my first p3. Pull pork out for a few days..get rid of hot dogs completely as well (they are full of garbage)...then SLOWLY add in a pork product and see what your weight does. For example, add in 2 slices of bacon with breakfast. Done.

    You also seem to be low on the protein side. Each egg has 6 grams of protein. Bacon has some but very little. Same goes for hotdogs. I have no clue how many oz of chicken you had with dinner as well. My guess is you had around 60-70 grams of protein and for good measure in p3 you should try to aim for 100 grams.

    JMHO. Good luck!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica823 View Post
    I would strongly think that your issues with stabilizing would be lack of eating and stress. Okay, this is the recipe I have used and haven't had any issue with it. I used this throughout P2 as well without any problems and no problems stabilizing but I know lots of people say not to eat coconut oil or mac nuts in p2.

    Cocoa Crack
    -4 TBSP cocoa (I do more like 3 1/2 tbsp per batch)
    -3 TBSP coconut oil
    -1 TBSP agave nectar
    -2 packs stevia powder
    -12 drops stevia liquid (I usually use vanilla or a combo of vanilla and toffee) I've also just started using a full dropper-full and that works fine too.
    -12-15 macadamia nuts (I put them in a sandwhich bag, seal it, then bang on them with the back of the spoon to make them in smaller pieces).
    -I also just started using flaked unsweetened coconut (from Bobs Red Mills)

    I make two batches at a time so I have two days worth. I put my liners (i use mini cupcake liners) on a paper plate or a regular plate for stability. Then put whatever filling you are going to use in the little liners (mac nuts, coconut, etc). Melt your coconut oil in the microwave. It takes 45 seconds to a minute in my microwave. Then, sift the cocoa into the oil (you don't have to sift it but if it is really lumpy you'll want to, to avoid bitterness). I use a mini whisk and whisk the oil and cocoa together. Then I add the agave, the stevia powder and the stevia liquid and whisk again. This week I am going to experiment with adding a little cream but I haven't done that yet.

    Once you've whisked it really well pour a small amount in each liner. For me, it always makes enough to have them about halfway full or a little more and I get 8 mini cups per batch so 8 pieces of candy a day. I put the plate in the freezer until they are set and once they are set I put each batch into it's own ziploc bag and keep the bags in the freezer. I eat it throughout the day and I think that really helps. I have some first thing in the morning and just a bit here and there. Once the bag is empty I know I've had my daily dose. I haven't experimented with more than 1 batch in a day.

    I enjoy this stuff so much that it really helps to ward off cravings. When I want something sweet, this works great. I'm sure adding some peanut butter would be amazing too.


    Some other tips I have picked up is not to eat late at night. I don't eat after 8 at the very latest but I don't go to bed before midnight either.

    I think eating the really high percentage of fat goes very far in preventing cravings, in making you feel full and happy and in overall good mood. There is such a good documentary out called Fat Head that you can watch for free on netflix. I really recommend it. If you don't have netflix the full version is available for free on the internet as well.

    I really like that website because it has helped me to get a better visual of how to reach those percentages. Make sure you are getting at least two meals with a very high amount of protein. For example yesterday I had 4 oz of chicken breast and about an 8oz steak but I also had peanut butter, fage, peanuts and macadamia nuts, etc. Also, I am always cooking my meat in coconut oil or butter and I salt and season things heavily but I also drink lots of water. I also usually saute some onions or mushrooms in coconut oil to go with it. Every time I eat a meal I am amazed at how good and wonderful this stage is and that I don't gain weight.

    I ate almost 2000 calories yesterday. It's hard to know exactly because we ate at a mexican restaurant last night but I still lost .2 lbs yesterday. But when I was eating lower calories, I didn't stabilize. The two days that my weight didn't move I ate 2300 calories even though for my weight & height it says 1800.

    Anyway, let me know if you want some ideas or want to know what I've been eating. If you don't like the way you are cooking meat this is my favorite way to season it:

    Salt, pepper, onion powder and garlic powder. I use plenty of all of it, stir it together and rub it on to the meat. I've just been cooking my meat in a cast iron pan in coconut oil. I've been using the refined kind that doesn't taste like coconut for frying and using the regular kind for cocoa crack. I have also started using butter again.

    Anyway, good luck. Try to make eating a priority. I think once you get enough fat and protein in you you should start feeling much better. Also, if you need to get your weight down back to your LIW I'd suggest eating the amount of calories your weight and height calls for but in the approximate proportions I was talking about. If your weight holds steady at that amount of calories you could drop it by a few hundred and see how that goes but be careful of lowering it too low.

    I have had an excellent book for a number of years that is called Eat Fat Lose Fat by Sally Fallon. Getting enough fat is really pretty essential to being healthy. It just needs to be good fats (nuts, coconut oil, butter, fat from meat, olive oil, etc)

    Oh, and if you're eating eggs I'd cut those out for at least two days while you experiment with these fat/protein proportions so you can be sure that eggs aren't adding to your gains.
    Wow Jessica you are a wealth of information! You started at exactly the same weight I did 186.6!!! I see that you went 3 rounds....argh...I so only want to go once!!! LOL I'm wondering if you couldn't exercis the other half off or would you not have the same results???? I'm on day 21 and in P2....decided to run out my patches so that will take me to a total of 34 days. I am encouraged by all those saying that longer rounds have better stability! I'm also really encouraged by your stabilizing methods and results...its hard to get thru our brains that we should eat more and more fat. You know what I've found to be very interesting is that my first week I lost 1.4 or 1.6 lbs every day I was eating bison everyday as one of my meats and not blotting it after cooking. When I changed to leaner meats like fish I stopped losing....last night I had bison again because cust svc support where I get my patches said go back to eating the same as wk 1. I dropped a full lb ! Soooooo I think the fat has something to do with it! Anywho, I will be visiting this forum as well as my other one now!

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    Sorry to "push-in" but I wanted to echo Jessica's recommendation to watch the documentary "Fat Head". It was made in 2008, but it gives an extraordinary amount of information on how we've all been lied to about fat-free eating, why it happened, how the government got behind an unproven HYPOTHISIS instead of proven studies and how government subsidies have opened the door to making us all fatter/keeping us that way! Watch it and share it with your friends.
    Christy

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    Thanks, I am going to look for that movie!

    I just went off my HCG patches cuz I wasn't losing anymore...I literally lost 1 lb in week two and 1 lb in week 3. I stopped losing inches over a week ago! I was tired, lethargic, achy and depressed...no focus! The minute I cheated and got some fat in me I felt fantastic again and slept like a baby! I just seem to be an oddball. I realized I lost weight during loading as well, and that was because of eating more fats!

    I'm just going to cycle off as per protocol and leave wheat alone as I already know I have a sensitivity and eat more fats, healthy ones that is! I can't wait to exercise again too in P4....walking now and that is really helping as well!

    I started losing again when I added fat in like cheese even while on the patches/hcg in system! I know I'm an oddball but it makes sense overall.

    Thanks!

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