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    Vegetable Oil p3 Safe?

    I will be going to Thailand next week during p3 and was wondering if vegetable oil is safe. I know olive oil and butter are, but have not heard much on vegetable oil.

    Basically, I am wondering if I can have this meal from street vendors: http://www.realthairecipes.com/recip...tyle-omelette/

    Hmmm if vegetable oil is not allowed, now I wonder what they cook their food in in Thailand.

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    Hmm while we're at it, I seem to finding mixed reviews on Soy Sauce and Coconut and Coconut Milk in p3....

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    Yes, it's safe. I think everybody just uses other oils for health benefits.
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    Hey tmott, I respectfully disagree about vegetable oil being safe. Vegetable oil is soy-based, and there are reports all around this forum that soy, and vegetable oil in particular, messes up the thyroid. If you aren't aware of this already, anything soy contains plant estrogens. And plant estrogens can serve as hormone disruptors. Elsewhere, outside of hCG forums like this one, plant estrogens are discussed; they turn up in plastic wrap, plastic baggies, and other plastic products. And these plastic products and the plant estrogens present within them are being studied for their part in something referred to as "Early Development Syndrome." As in, your 6-year-old developing breasts or getting her period. You may/may not have noticed that there are more and more younger kids entering puberty earlier than was the case when you grew up; I'm not talking about emotionally, I'm talking about physical symptoms such as secondary sex characteristics (particularly in girls: breasts, hourglass figure, menstrual cycle, acne, etc.).....

    So avoid soy whenever you can. And avoid protein drinks too; many of them use soy as their protein....plus all the fillers/flavorings are chock full of chemicals, not ideal either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elizajo View Post
    I will be going to Thailand next week during p3 and was wondering if vegetable oil is safe. I know olive oil and butter are, but have not heard much on vegetable oil.

    Basically, I am wondering if I can have this meal from street vendors: http://www.realthairecipes.com/recip...tyle-omelette/

    Hmmm if vegetable oil is not allowed, now I wonder what they cook their food in in Thailand.
    Not sure about veg oil, but I did use sunflower this week in something and I was OK with that. I don't really know what they usually use in Thailand but would imagine it'd be one of the cheapest brands if it's a roadside restaurant or hawker. However they may go for peanut (or groundnut) oil which they seem to quite like in Asia (not sure if we can have that). But saying that, I've been on P3 since Wednesday and eaten out every day and I haven't got a clue what oil they were using but it doesn't seem to have made me gain (I didn't even think to ask about oil when I ordered).

    Street vendors often have their can/bottle of oil with them so you may be able to check to see what it is (if it's a brand made in Malaysia or somewhere it may be written in both Thai and English). If you're at a hotel you could ask them.

    Tricky business trying to low-carb in Thailand though, loads of noodles and rice. The omelette you linked looks OK as far as ingredients go. Tom Yam Goong could be a good soup to have or there's a nice chicken and coconut milk one that they do. Green and red curries may be OK but there could be hidden sugars and they sometimes put pieces of potato in curries. You may have to try and stick to chicken, pork and fish.

    Here's a phrase you might find useful:

    Ka, mai sai Nam Tam. Gin Nam Tam mai dai!
    (Please, don't put in sugar. I cannot eat sugar!)


    Good luck with it - I know I can't even go near hawker food in Singapore when I'm low carbing - everything seems to have sugar or MSG or something that doesn't agree with me.

    And enjoy the trip - which area are you going to?
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    Generally, oil is "good for P3" in all variations.

    The reasons why many of us are wary about soy and vegetable oil is because we are steeped in paleo lifestyle, and take more than just "P3-safe" into consideration. If you don't care about going paleo, it really doesn't matter what oil is use, as long as the food is done without carbs, starches, and sugar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetiepie View Post
    Generally, oil is "good for P3" in all variations.

    The reasons why many of us are wary about soy and vegetable oil is because we are steeped in paleo lifestyle, and take more than just "P3-safe" into consideration. If you don't care about going paleo, it really doesn't matter what oil is use, as long as the food is done without carbs, starches, and sugar.
    Once again, I respectfully disagree, based on the evidence uncovered in previous studies I allude to above. Here are some links to further speak on my point about soy, which is the "vegetable" in vegetable oil:

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    ...and tons more. I could go to PubMed, a database with years of studies, and pull those...but that is heavier reading and I wished to make this as easy as possible (hence the "cached" versions, so you can see where soy/vegetable oil was mentioned)....

    So, IMHO, vegetable oil is a definite "no-no." Also: I know at least one veteran on here avoids vegetable oil for the fact that it messes with your thyroid (is an endocrine disruptor): Grammy (Colleen).

    Much healthier alternatives are Coconut Oil and Extra Virgin Olive Oil. Make sure the olive oil you buy has no other oil in it, as some manufacturers cut it with other types of oil, including brominated oils (also referred to above in one of the articles on endocrine disruptors).
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    While I agree that soy is bad for you if you have a thyroid problem, which I do and Grammy does, that was not the question. The question was whether it is P3 safe. Therefore, the answer is yes. We can control everything we make at home and choose not to use it but can't control everything when eating out or traveling. Enjoy the trip to Thailand! Sounds fabulous.
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    Whether or not you adhere to the paleo angle is up to you. Millions of people are using vegetable oil, and this is not the place to start a general crusade against that. The question was only if it is P3, which it most definitely is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetiepie View Post
    Whether or not you adhere to the paleo angle is up to you. Millions of people are using vegetable oil, and this is not the place to start a general crusade against that. The question was only if it is P3, which it most definitely is.
    Sweetiepie, I don't believe "paleo" was ever part of my discussion on vegetable oil. I also find your use of the term "crusade" demeaning and inaccurate. Facts are facts. And if there are an abundance of facts, they stand alone. Credibility is established. Just because it's something that's new to you, or is something you do not want to hear, you should not attempt to discredit others who present this evidence to you.

    Vegetable oil is something any human being is entitled to choose to use. People can make choices; inforned choices are best, though. This is information everyone should be aware of before consuming soy in any form -- whether as oil, filler, or in other forms.
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    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

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