Advantages and Disadvantage of Various Methods

**mgsondance** · October 18th, 2010, 10:05 PM

IM injections- This is the original method that Dr. Simeons used. If you inject to the heart of the muscle where there is good blood supply, the Hcg is delivered to your system more quickly than it is with SubQ injections. However, it can be difficult to figure out the right size needle for your weight. For the deltoid, 1" generally works well. 1" or 1.25" is usually what is used for the thigh, depending on your size. For the upper buttock (only inject in the upper outer quadrant), you'll need at least a 1.5" needle- Dr. S. used a 2". If you're quite heavy you'll need to adjust the length since you don't want to get just to the edge of the muscle- you want to get to the middle of it. IM injections are more painful than SubQ injections, and can leave you sore for a while after the injection. However there is a specialty needle that is 1.25" and 27 gauge that works pretty well. You have the convenience of only having to dose one time/day. To get pharmacy-grade Hcg you either need to have a prescription from your doctor, get your shots from a clinic, or order your Hcg from a different country.

SubQ injections- These are done into fat, generally in the thigh or abdomen. Make sure you avoid the area around your belly button- stay about 2" away in all directions. SubQ injections are done with an insulin needle, generally somewhere between 5/16th and 1/2 long. 28 to 31 gauge can be used, but I prefer the 29. The 30 and 31 gauge are so thin that they bend easily, and the 29 are already basically painless. You can use a .5cc or 1cc size syringe, but I prefer the 1cc so that you have more flexibility in choosing a shot volume. You have the convenience of only having to dose one time/day. This method also uses pharmacy-grade Hcg.

SL (sub-lingual, meaning under your tongue)- This involves mixing up the same kind of Hcg that is used for injections, but taking a larger dose twice a day, 12 hrs apart. You put the fluid under your tongue and have to hold it there for at least 5'. Many suggest you then don't eat or drink for another 15'. This is a good method for people who don't want to do the shots, but you do have to remember to take those doses roughly 12 hrs apart. The standard dose has been 166 iu's, 2x/day. However the newer research shows there may be benefit in taking a higher dose, 250 iu's 2x.day. With this method you have extra cost for the Hcg, but you don't have to buy sterile vials or syringes. This method also uses pharmacy-grade Hcg.

Releana- This is Sub Lingual Hcg that is pre-mixed for you and can only be acquired through a physician who works with that company. The company has a patent on it because they add a particular buffer to the solution. The physician does some blood work prior to putting you on the program, as well as follow-up.

Hhcg (Homeopathic hCG)- Homeopathic Hcg works on an entirely different principle than pharmacy-grade Hcg does. It is energetic medicine, and works on the principle that the water "remembers" the substance that has been diluted in it. By definition, these drops contain only tiny traces of hcg. Some people prefer this method because they think it's more natural and you are not putting a hormone in your body. A big advantage is that Hhcg is generally less expensive than Hcg, and you can buy it in the US without a prescription. This also allows you to get your product more quickly. However, there are many disadvantages. 1) The FDA has cracked down on Hhcg and most products now are nothing but amino acids- they have been required to take OUT the hcg. 2) As there are no regulations for homeopathic remedies, you have no idea what is actually in the drops. Someone could put tap water in there and sell it to you. 3) Your body has to be able to produce Hcg (or the effects of it) from the drops, which not something everyone can do. If you do decide you want to use Hhcg make sure the drops have Hcg in them in the ingredient list. It will generally say Hcg 3x 6x 12x, or something similar to this.

Hcg Pellets, Lozenges, Nose Spray, Throat Spray, Transdermal Patch- These are new methods that are just starting to be used. They all have the convenience of not having to do injections. The number of doses per day can vary. The disadvantage is you have to be able to absorb it properly (some might not be able to), and it can be very hard to adjust your dose.

No matter what method you are on, the protocol remains the same. Some clinics modify the food list, but I recommend sticking to the original protocol as much as possible: http://hcgdietinfo.com/Diet-HCG.htm

**slendersu** · October 25th, 2010, 05:20 AM

I am on a 26 day course using injections. I've assumed it is SubQ because I have been directed by my Dr. to inject in a circle around my belly button. Is that not SubQ?
Why do you mention NOT to inject in that area. My Dr. said that was the specific area that Simeons directed his patients to use.
I've been pretty comfortable with the injections but wouldn't mind not having to inject. Would it be possible for me to use the Hhcg at the end of my 26 days to extend to a 40 day course?
If so, could I just switch over without delay or loading?
Thanks for your insight.
Susan

**mgsondance** · October 25th, 2010, 06:20 AM

I am on a 26 day course using injections. I've assumed it is SubQ because I have been directed by my Dr. to inject in a circle around my belly button. Is that not SubQ?
Why do you mention NOT to inject in that area. My Dr. said that was the specific area that Simeons directed his patients to use.

i don't know what your doctor is thinking, but you do avoid being at least an inch around your belly button. and Dr. S. never used that area, or even subq. he only did injections in the upper hip, IM, with a 2" needle.

we find that people don't tend to do well switching from injections to hhcg in the middle of a round. i'd stick to the injections and switch to hhcg the next round if you want to. or if you have enough hcg, you could switch to doing the hcg orally (but you need to use much more of it).

**slendersu** · October 25th, 2010, 06:26 AM

[QUOTE=mgsondance;194676]i don't know what your doctor is thinking, but you do avoid being at least an inch around your belly button.

Well, that's disturbing to think my Dr. is actually incorrect in her directives and rationale. I don't think I want to challenge her however, but have been keeping an inch away and will
continue to give an even wider margin.

we find that people don't tend to do well switching from injections to hhcg in the middle of a round.

OK, this is good to know. Thanks.

i'd stick to the injections and switch to hhcg the next round if you want to.

Will do then...

**ILuvKats** · November 2nd, 2010, 02:01 PM

The amount of fat you have gets less and less the closer to your belly button you get. That's the reason for staying a bit away from it. Trust me, you don't want to hit the muscle layer in your abdomen with a subq needle.....ouch......So its just a general rule to stay at least an inch away from "the button" area....loosely gather the fat alittle to make sure you are injecting into sub q tissue, and you will be fine.

**MaryF** · November 24th, 2010, 08:37 PM

What about switching from HHCG to subq shots half way through? How long does it take when you order the Rx drops?

Thanks

**mgsondance** · November 24th, 2010, 08:50 PM

you can do that- but i don't recommend doing it in reverse.

just continue the hhcg until your third shot. it takes about 2 wks from india, or you can pay more to get them from doyle and get them in a couple of days. www.gphcg.com.

**wasa4** · November 30th, 2010, 06:13 PM

SL (sub-lingual, meaning under your tongue)- This involves mixing up the same kind of Hcg that is used for injections, but taking a larger dose twice a day, 12 hrs apart. You put the fluid under your tongue and have to hold it there for at least 5'. Many suggest you then don't eat or drink for another 15'. This is a good method for people who don't want to do the shots, but you do have to remember to take those doses roughly 12 hrs apart. The standard dose has been 166 iu's, 2x/day. However the newer research shows there may be benefit in taking a higher dose, 250 iu's 2x.day. With this method you have extra cost for the Hcg, but you don't have to buy sterile vials or syringes. This method also uses pharmacy-grade Hcg.

Several of us have been discussing this on another thread:

We have been mixing 5000 iu's with 2ml of c silver and 12 B-12, and have been told that the silver may inhibit weight loss results. Bac/sterile water is used now.
Is the mix: 1 ampule to 15ml of bac water? for a 15 day supply....

Also, I have read that in some cases, lowering the dose (my current mix?) helps with the hunger. I'm asking because my DH gets hungry and has been taking a bit extra or just toughing it out. (He works a really strange split shift schedule.)

Any pointers?

**mgsondance** · November 30th, 2010, 06:27 PM

it's no longer recommended to mix with silver- that was found to decrease potency. most don't mix with b-12 anymore either, since Dr. B recommends sodium chloride. bact or sterile water is ok.

at a dose of 166 twice a day, a vial of 5000 will give you a 15-day supply of hcg. so yes, you add 15 ml of water and take .5 cc's twice a day. or if you don't like to hold that much fluid in your mouth (i don't), you can mix it to be more potent. basically you have 30 doses (twice a day, 15 days)- multiply 30 by the amount you want to hold under your tongue and that's how much water you want to add. i want to take .3 cc's rather than .5, so i multiply 30 x .3 and add 9 ml of water.

very few people need to lower their dose, although i have. Dr. B's research shows that taking 250 twice a day results in less hunger and slightly better losses, although i've not necessarily seen that on the forum. diane's folks all take 250 and do well, but colleen has seen more hunger with the increased dose.

if your hubby is hungry i'd have him skip a day and see if his hunger gets better or worse. if better, drop the dose slightly. if worse (he might even know by the time he'd normally take his evening dose), then he could try increasing his dose (and start the increased dose that same evening). if he has a very physical job, he might want to add a bit of lean protein to his daily intake.

**wasa4** · November 30th, 2010, 07:14 PM

if your hubby is hungry i'd have him skip a day and see if his hunger gets better or worse. if better, drop the dose slightly. if worse (he might even know by the time he'd normally take his evening dose), then he could try increasing his dose (and start the increased dose that same evening). if he has a very physical job, he might want to add a bit of lean protein to his daily intake.

Thanks for the quick response!
He has skipped doses occationally just because HE IS A BOY, and sometimes does things like a BOY. It definitely did not help the hunger!

I think that part of the problem is that his "schedule" is designed to be irratic. It's plain nutty! So in terms of breakfast, lunch and dinner...well, it's a revolving door. Sometimes I'll wake him to say it's 4:00, and he'll say "morning or night". (Which by the way, now looks like the same!)

He's now trying to eat at about 10 am and 7pm, no matter what "shift" he's on. Extra protein may help AND maybe the mix with water. That's why I asked about the water mix.

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