Thread: Advantages and Disadvantage of Various Methods

Great post Mgsondance. I have done the injections (years ago), Rx SL (troche) and am now on HHCG Pellets. Always had a terrible time on Rx. Homeopathic has been a breeze. I have alot of weight to lose and since I like to research things, I plan to try all the forms of HCG out there. Gotta get your excitement any way you can (lol). I am thinking Rx pellets next round, where I get to adjust the dosage to see what's going on with issues I have had with Rx. As far as protocol. I did clinics prior to the round I am on now and the HCG dosage and the protocol was controlled by the clinic. I see some clinics or sellers have modified the original Simeons plan for whatever reason (to modernize it or sell you more products). So I have been a purist and a I have been a rogue with the original Simeons and still have lost weight. I do what works for me.

Originally Posted by Happy2B

I am on Day 8 of hC3 Trim (homeopathic sublingual drops). I don't seem to fit in any of the categories you described, as there is no mixing required and the drops are taken every 12 hours, not 3X or 6X a day. I've lost 7.4 lbs so far and though I have had the urge to snack once in a while (because it's a longtime habit), hunger has not been a problem.

You say that the protocol is the same for all forms of HCG, but my VLCD allows no dairy whatsoever and strongly advises people to avoid gluten, too (which I am -- it's not a big deal on this diet). Plus, there is no mention of Phase 1. Some of the cookbooks I have discovered through this forum say they strictly follow the protocol, yet they are filled with recipes that include ingredients that I don't see on the food list. So, I'm very confused as to whether people using other forms of HCG are being given different rules/guidelines to follow and therefore I shouldn't heed their advice as to what's "legal" and what isn't.

The foods come straight from Dr. Simeon's Pounds and Inches manuscript as follows:

"The 500 Calorie diet is explained on the day of the second injection to those patients who will be preparing their own food, and it is most important that the person who will actually cook is present - the wife, the mother or the cook, as the case may be. Here in Italy patients are given the following diet sheet.

Breakfast:

Tea or coffee in any quantity without sugar. Only one tablespoonful of milk allowed in 24 hours. Saccharin or Stevia may be used.

Lunch:

1. 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white fish, lobster, crab, or shrimp. All visible fat must be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat must be weighed raw. It must be boiled or grilled without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring, dried or pickled fish are not allowed. The chicken breast must be removed from the bird.

2. One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following: spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens, green salad, tomatoes, celery, fennel, onions, red radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage.

3. One breadstick (grissino) or one Melba toast.

4. An apple, orange, or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit.

Dinner :

The same four choices as lunch (above.)





The juice of one lemon daily is allowed for all purposes. Salt, pepper, vinegar, mustard powder, garlic, sweet basil, parsley, thyme, majoram, etc., may be used for seasoning, but no oil, butter or dressing.

Tea, coffee, plain water, or mineral water are the only drinks allowed, but they may be taken in any quantity and at all times.

In fact, the patient should drink about 2 liters of these fluids per day. Many patients are afraid to drink so much because they fear that this may make them retain more water. This is a wrong notion as the body is more inclined to store water when the intake falls below its normal requirements".

Many Doctors and clinics try to modify this for various reasons, but this IS the original, and has worked for thousand's upon thousand's. I would suggest reading the manuscript in it's entirety, you can just Google the title and it usually pops right up.

Originally Posted by Happy2B

I am on Day 8 of hC3 Trim (homeopathic sublingual drops). I don't seem to fit in any of the categories you described, as there is no mixing required and the drops are taken every 12 hours, not 3X or 6X a day. I've lost 7.4 lbs so far and though I have had the urge to snack once in a while (because it's a longtime habit), hunger has not been a problem.

You say that the protocol is the same for all forms of HCG, but my VLCD allows no dairy whatsoever and strongly advises people to avoid gluten, too (which I am -- it's not a big deal on this diet). Plus, there is no mention of Phase 1. Some of the cookbooks I have discovered through this forum say they strictly follow the protocol, yet they are filled with recipes that include ingredients that I don't see on the food list. So, I'm very confused as to whether people using other forms of HCG are being given different rules/guidelines to follow and therefore I shouldn't heed their advice as to what's "legal" and what isn't.

it's very odd to have hhcg that you take twice a day. i don't know of any other drops that do that. when we say the protocol is the same, we're referring to the original protocol (food list posted above). many different manufacturer's/clinics change the acceptable food list, but there is nothing to back up those changes. many people skip the bread because gluten sensitivity has become so common that most people lose better without it. they might recommend you skip dairy for the same reason. when you see a recipe, you have to decide if you're willing to have that "rogue" ingredient. there are clinics out there now that allow some vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower and zucchini. some allow diet soda, which dr. s. probably would have allowed (it wasn't made then) even though it's not good for you in general.

it's frequently less, because you lose a lot of water weight that first round when you first give up carbs. most people don't resume eating carbs to that extent, so you have less water weight to lose in R2. if you didn't eat many carbs to start with, your losses should be similar. but you also might lose more slowly as you get closer to your goal weight.