That sounds about like where I am, Iluvkatz. When you say eat very cleanly the next day, are you saying no starchy stuff the following day, or extra water, or protein, or what do you mean by that? Because thats kind of the delicate balance Im trying to find, being able to do something moderately, and maybe making a slight adjustment to accommodate it, rather than, ok, now its time to do a steak day. The whole steak day notion is what Im trying to avoid. Not that I won't do it, Id like to not HAVE to do it.

If you cant get past the wang in stevia try Truvia--it is stevia but just the sweet part of the leaf and you dont get the wang so it is much much better. You can get it at walmart--green and white box with strawberry on it. Love it! I never could get past the aftertaste of regular stevia also. On my fist round I stabilized quickly and even when I added other foods, pasta, bread, etc was still mainitaining LIW without problems, just havent done P4 long term yet to give lot of input. In 3rd round of P3 and will do P3, P4 til beginning of next year when I should be starting last round of P2. I like P3 eating with occasional treats added in.

I like your 80/20 rule. Thats a good way to imagine every meal. I think I will do 90/10, but will try to visualize that ratio with every meal. Also, another thing Ive learned is to eat and drink the bulk of my food and liquid before 7 pm. Whether it really contributes to weight gain or just appears as water weight on the scale in the morning, I dont care. I like to be as consistent as possible, and one common thread Im seeing with everyone here, as well as in other diet models is QUIT EATING LATE. Thats one thing Ive never in my life followed, and think that its time.

We have agave nectar at our Walmart.

Me too Grammy :-(