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  1. Leez's Avatar
    Congrats on continued success.

    You really touched on a thought that escapes most "experts"---in that many of us struggle with extra pounds not because we overeat and have no discipline...but because we are under-eaters. If there is not enough fuel for your body to burn, it will slow down the furnace to conserve what pitiful amounts we give it. And we doom ourselves to the perpetual starve/gain cycles we are so familiar with.

    We have to get the word out that to stay slim after HCG, you need to keep EATING.
  2. kapluzie123's Avatar
    Sounds like you are doing fantastic!! I private messaged you....
  3. AbsAgain's Avatar
    Hi River57,

    I'm glad to hear you're maintaining. That's a huge accomplishment. 3 months. Great job!

    When you said, "Last is a high carb evening snacks to calm the adrenals and relax it also makes sure the muscles have adequate glycogen load for a morning workout," that made me wonder if I'm not eating enough carbs at dinner to help me sleep through the night. I usually wake up a couple of times during the night to go to the bathroom, and sometimes I'm not able to fall back to sleep. What exactly are you eating at dinner? I eat meat, veggies, and occasionally a fruit, but I have avoided starches at dinner. Now I wonder if a little starch would help me sleep more soundly...

    However, I do wake up pretty refreshed and don't need 8 full hours of sleep to feel rested, so perhaps I'm just drinking too much water too late in the day... I just don't remember getting up to go when I was in my 20s and 30s. We actually had to buy a pop-up camper because of my bladder issues. My husband has this too.

    Great job training for a 10-K. I only ever ran 5-ks. My husband is a marathon runner and I can't understand how you distance runners do it. I really like to walk.
  4. River57's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kapluzie123
    sorry to hear that you are up. I know you work so hard- between exercises and eating properly. I wish I had your knowledge about eating and exercising.. I just can't seem to plug the 2 together.

    I remember so well about those Fat Free snacks... I remember being a teenager and thinking--ohhh I can have as many as I want-- and many times I did! It's a wonder how all these false diet promotions take us by storm. And we believe and follow them wholeheartedly. Many feel hcg is a fad and maybe it is, but
    I love hcg- as it has given me the opportunity to detox from sugar. It has allowed me to get back to enjoying the taste of the fresh produce/protein.
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    The great thing about knowledge is it is out there for everyone! I took a couple of nutrition classes with my boot camp trainer but really have found the website Eat To Preform to be one of the best investments I've made. I've been working out for years trying to lose weight and get stronger but after working out for a while and dieting, I'd end up hating the workouts because they were just so much work and I'd be starving and end up eating everything I could get my hands on. I am loving my workouts right now and though sometimes it feels like I'm eating a lot of food, I'm afraid if I eat less I'll end up in the same boat as before. It certainly isn't for everyone. It's taking some real courage for me to eat this much food (1695-2095 calories) but I've been wearing a tracker and a heart rate monitor and on the days that I am working out I am burning sometimes as much as 2700 calories. Yesterday, which was a rest day for me I burned nearly 2000. I never in a million years would have guessed I burned that much.

    That extra couple of pounds don't bother me......well okay, maybe a little....but here is the thing, I have spent my entire adult life trying to lose weight and at 58 I just feel that I'm running out of time to figure it out. If I never lost another pound, I could easily live with myself at this weight. Plus I know that HCG is out there if I decide I want to do another round. I'm building muscle because I feel so much stronger and better when I do, and because once we get over a certain age muscle loss is a very real thing. Sometimes I get a bit freaked out about how close I am to turning 60. I don't want to be on this yo yo thing my whole life. I can't tell you how many time I'd do weight watchers and after taking off a few pounds they would suddenly tell me I needed to eat 1200 calories.....I couldn't live my life on that! My metabolism goes into starvation mode and would store every little morsel that crossed my lips! Boom! I eat my way back up 20-40 punds.

    Is HCG a fad? I don't think so. I think it really could be an amazing turning point for people who are morbidly obese and would need to spend 1/2 a lifetime to otherwise take off the weight. Having experienced it now through all of it's phases, I am still amazed by it. I took off nearly 27 pounds in a little over a months time with relatively little muscle loss and a metabolism that was fired up and ready to go.

    Where every diet fails, and HCG included is when you don't know how to eat when you come off. Dieting is easy, and as you know having been in p3, maintaining is a learned skill. That becomes even more true in P4. I suddenly realized if I went back to trying to eat 1600 calories a day, I was going to find myself back in the same boat in 6 months......Since this is something I've never tried before, it's scary. I may be up a pound or two, but I'm hoping I won't fall into the uncontrollable hunger mode that always packs on the pounds. I love the gym and the group I work out with, I know I need to build muscle and stay strong (cuz I'm getting old!!) and I want to be able to enjoy food. .....sorry to ramble on. and thanks for listening to it all. You will find your way in what works best for you in your life. But if you have any money that you can put towards your health and fitness, it will be money well spent!
  5. kapluzie123's Avatar
    sorry to hear that you are up. I know you work so hard- between exercises and eating properly. I wish I had your knowledge about eating and exercising.. I just can't seem to plug the 2 together.

    I remember so well about those Fat Free snacks... I remember being a teenager and thinking--ohhh I can have as many as I want-- and many times I did! It's a wonder how all these false diet promotions take us by storm. And we believe and follow them wholeheartedly. Many feel hcg is a fad and maybe it is, but
    I love hcg- as it has given me the opportunity to detox from sugar. It has allowed me to get back to enjoying the taste of the fresh produce/protein.
  6. AbsAgain's Avatar
    That's interesting that your last meal of the day is higher carb, lower fat, and moderate protein. When I was in Poland, they ate meat sandwiches for breakfast, a huge lunch including protein and dessert, and a higher carb, small dinner. All the Polish people I met were skinny or normal size. You might be on to something.

    And I've got to try something to sleep better. Again last night I slept poorly--and this was after only sleeping 5 hours the night before. Could it be that this is my 38th VLCD and my body needs a break? I wonder if I'll sleep better once I go P3. And I even went for a bike ride last night and got sun yesterday.

    Hmmm.

    Don't you feel like a scientist trying to figure out the best fuel on which to keep your body machine running well?
  7. AbsAgain's Avatar
    Good for you, River, knowing what you need. Listen to your body. It's smarter than you know...
  8. AbsAgain's Avatar
    Dr. Simeon said, "toward the end of a full course, when a good deal of fat has been rapidly lost, some patients complain that lifting a weight or climbing stairs requires a greater muscular effort than before. They feel neither breathlessness nor exhaustion but simply that their muscles have to work harder. This phenomenon, which disappears soon after the end of the treatment, is caused by the removal of abnormal fat deposited between, in, and around the muscles. The removal of this fat makes the muscles too long to perform greater contraction than before. Within a short while, the muscle adjusts itself perfectly to the new situation, but under HCG the loss of fat is so rapid that this adjustment cannot keep up with it. Patients often have to be reassured that this does not meant that they are "getting weak". This phenomenon does not occur in patients who regularly take vigorous exercise and continue to do so during treatment."

    Phew! Your muscles are just leaner, not missing, River. More power to you on your workouts. I admire those of you who make exercise a priority and actually enjoy it.
  9. Leez's Avatar
    You don't do steak days until you are OVER the 2 pound window. Not if you are just at the very top. And I'd guess the gain is indeed muscle inflammation from the workout. 75 minutes is a substantial workout, even if you went easier than normal.

    So you did fine.

    There might be an ingredient in the Quest bars that bother you. I can't personally eat them because of the almonds.
  10. kapluzie123's Avatar
    Very interesting. I tend to agree with your idea about the quest bar.. I think you're on the right track with continuing the exercises. You could have some initial inflammation from the exercises-- but that should stabilize as well. I'm curious how it will work out for you-- as my plans are very similar to your plans-- fortunately for me-- you are my guinea pig-- sorry love!! Keep us informed--PLEASE.
  11. kapluzie123's Avatar
    I'd be very interested in reading about your progress. I too had the same thoughts about jumping back into the higher starches all at once. From the posts on this forum, I think that you are heading down the right road. Adding in slowly makes sense-- stabilize first. Then go for the FMD.... The body seems to react to shock with inflammation and weight gain. Slowly, you will get there... good luck on the scale tomorrow-- hopefully it's positive.
  12. AbsAgain's Avatar
    Me, too, River57. Let us know which carbs were safe and if any made you gain.
  13. kapluzie123's Avatar
    Waiting seems like a good decision for you. I remember reading a post from Leez-- I believe it stated that not everyone is ready for P4 on a certain calendar date. That you should stay in P3 until you feel that you have stabilized. You seem to know your body- and I think you're on the right track.
    Have you thought about what type of exercise you will do? Did I read that you were interested in weight training for added muscle?
    I am curious as to what type of weight training you do-- machines? free weights? resistant?
    And I would definitely be interested in knowing which carbs you added ,and the outcome of adding them.
  14. River57's Avatar
    Hi Kapluzie,

    Actually tomorrow is the start of P4 for me, but I will probably be a bit slow it get it going. I don't want to just start eaitng stuff because I can. I'm at my Mom's house in MA and so I don't have complete control over my food, mealtimes etc. Also we are going to be on the road Tuesday and Wednesday and arriving home to a house with nothing in the fridge. I am going to need to make a plan for that. So really I think I'll be starting P4 next weekend when I can shop and plan for it. Also I want to start back at the gym at about the same time I start p4 to help with burning any starches I might eat, so want to be home for that too. . My dinner was awesome. Ended up having 2 glasses of wine but still seemed to make out okay. I was up about .4 but still below LIW. I'm eating P3 today for sure to make up for that. But except for the wine I think my meal was totally p3
  15. kapluzie123's Avatar
    How did your night go? Were you able to enjoy your seafood dinner and wine? Is today the day that you enter P4?
  16. AbsAgain's Avatar
    Have a wonderful anniversary. Good job planning ahead is smart, checking the menu for what you'll order before you get there. One glass of wine is permissible on P3.

    Blessings on your marriage. 32 years!
  17. kapluzie123's Avatar
    Happy Anniversary to the both of you! Your day sounds wonderful, but your dinner to me sounds heavenly. I have had broiled scallops on P2--and my scale was thankful! I hope you have great results along with a fabulous celebration. Great idea to check the menu ahead of time,
    looks like your doing a smash up job on p3-- could you post some meals that you've enjoyed to help you stabilize?
    Updated June 25th, 2015 at 06:31 AM by kapluzie123
  18. AbsAgain's Avatar
    As my wonderful doctor would say, "You need to find new favorites." Hope you continue to do well in P3! I want to be like you this round.
  19. River57's Avatar
    LOL Leez, of course........but it is so quick and easy to make!
  20. kapluzie123's Avatar
    River57- sounds like you are doing great! congrats to you! I too have experienced a change in my tastebuds. Unfortunately, I continually attempted to "get back " my tastebuds-- which eventually, returned. but with that came the weight. This time around, I am hoping to stay with my new found tastes. You're doing great-- keep up the good choices and keep us informed.
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