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Notes from a "clean up" round..R2/P2...

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Following what I was told by the clinic I did my first (and what I expected to be my only) round, I began to have difficulty stabilizing as I got further into P4. I also believe I still have a few..maybe 5 or so pounds of abnormal fat left.

The main thing that was bad advice was
- 20 calories worth of pretzel sticks could substitute for grissini or melba. I did have them twice per day, nearly every day.
-I was also told turkey was fine....still not sure about that...but I plan to leave it out this round.

-I was also encouraged to use Walden Farms dressings. While they may be calorie and sugar free, they are loaded with chemicals. I noticed in P3 and P4 that I could eat far more food without chemicals and not gain than when I ate anything with chemicals. This makes me wonder how Walden Farms impacted the kind and amount of my losses.

Some of my difficulty stabilizing was due to my overindulgence in combining sugars and fats, but I also noticed a general drift upward even with straight P3 eating after P3 and after steak days, and always kept an eye on calories.

Today was day 2 of VLCD, and I am already trying some things differently than the last round. I'm going to include lean steak periodically...but not in combination with tomatoes. Last round, I made a chili recipe given to me by the clinic that was mainly ground beef and canned tomatoes. (I gained both times I ate it.)

Today's diet:

coffee with stevia/sweet n' low

chicken with Gulden's mustard
strawberries

steak
grilled asparagus
apple with cinnamon.

I did not weigh myself the morning of the first injection or after loading. Today I weighed in at 105.4, a pleasant surprise.(I probably ate @3000-3500 calories per loading day.) I did sleep in till 10:30, though..so I'm expecting things to look about the same tomorrow.

I have been doing subq injections again this round. I don't know what dose I was at last round, but this round it's 175. So far I have had only a little hunger before meals today.

This week I'm going to try some of the recipes from The HCG Dieter's Gourmet cookbook..something I didn't do last time.

I hope this will be helpful others doing or thinking about doing a clean up round...or wondering about tweaks from a clinic that differ from Dr. S's protocol.

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  1. Catthai's Avatar
    Good post. It's got me thinking about what I've done wrong on the first P2. When I get it all written down (there's a LOT!) I'll post on my blog and link back to here.
  2. AZJan's Avatar
    Sounds like a good start and plan. Tomorrow is my first VLCD and I plan on doing some things different this time. I saw a pattern of steady gaining during P3 and P4. I am starting this round up about 7 lbs from my LIW. I have a few rounds left to get to goal. I am not going with the clinic I used for the first round. I am looking forward to seeing what you think of the recipes in the cookbook. I didn't do anything but straight up cooking last time and haven't gotten any cookbooks yet.
  3. ginal5's Avatar
    Yes great post. My doctor's plan varied from Simeon too for my 1st round. I lost more when I axed the protein shake recommended for breakfast and avoided the mct oil for cooking and stopped combining vegetables my doctor suggested. Simeon's plan worked best for me too.

    On my round 2 with definite purpose of following Simeon protocol to the Tee!!

    Good luck.
  4. susanbaz's Avatar
    Well, today I was up at 6:15 and the scale greeted me with 104.4. This is VLCD day 3. I am hungrier today than yesterday, and more than the day before.

    Perhaps it's the dose or perhaps it's "normal" P2 hunger that I'm more prone to since I got up a lot earlier. In any case, I ate chicken and an orange at @11:15, and by 12:30, I was hungry again. So far, I've had @30 ounces of water and a bunch of vitamins.

    I'll keep in touch with grammy (her circumstances permitting) or margie and keep on top of it this round! (As opposed to the last round where I wondered if I had been given expired hcg and became ravenous...I swear clinics know nothing about adjusting doses!)
  5. Kit3000's Avatar
    Hi susanbaz! I am new to this site. I have been in P2 working with a clinic. I have been hungry the entire diet. A few days ago, I read in several blogs about adjusting the dose, on day 34' I did it on my own, using two of the pre loaded syringes from the clinic, each one filled to the 15 line on the insulin syringe. Wow, what a change! I have not been hungry for three days now, and I am loosing a pound a day. I have not cheated, still I had only lost 14 pounds after 33 days. I will be seven injections short. I so wish they had adjusted the dose, I feel cheated that I adhered to the diet, but did not get the results I could have had if the dose was correct for me, not to mention, how much easier it would have been not to feel constant hunger.
  6. susanbaz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kit3000
    Hi susanbaz! I am new to this site. I have been in P2 working with a clinic. I have been hungry the entire diet. A few days ago, I read in several blogs about adjusting the dose, on day 34' I did it on my own, using two of the pre loaded syringes from the clinic, each one filled to the 15 line on the insulin syringe. Wow, what a change! I have not been hungry for three days now, and I am loosing a pound a day. I have not cheated, still I had only lost 14 pounds after 33 days. I will be seven injections short. I so wish they had adjusted the dose, I feel cheated that I adhered to the diet, but did not get the results I could have had if the dose was correct for me, not to mention, how much easier it would have been not to feel constant hunger.
    kit I think clinics just don't know how to adjust doses. I think they give everyone the same dose. I now know my dose was wrong when I did my round through the clinic. They also told me I was losing slowly. Of course, the also told me turkey was ok, pretzels were ok, and were going to put me on a P3 with restricted calories that included oatmeal, bread and legumes. Fortunately, I found this forum and took Margie's advice and did Dr. S;s P3/P4.

    Why will you be 7 injections short? Is their program only for 33 days? To extend your round, you can go ahead and skip a day. Most people skip one day a week if doing shots. The level of hcg in your system will still be high and you can have an extra day of P2 to keep losing and resetting the hypothalamus.

    Good for you for adjusting your dose!
  7. Kit3000's Avatar
    Since I doubled the amount each injection, I went through the pre filled syringes twice as fast. The clinic will not give me additional hcg to finish out the 40 days. So hopefully, I will be able to start P3 with success. I have placed an on line order for hcg, but it's unlikely it will get here soon enough to complete the 40 days. I guess this works for the clinics, almost insures you will have to return for additional rounds. If it does get here in a timely manner, perhaps I can treat it as if I were going off for Tom? What do you think?
  8. susanbaz's Avatar
    Hey there! Sorry it took me a bit to get back to you, but here's my advice, wfiw!

    EXTEND YOUR ROUND!Do a planned interruption" if your new supply doesn't make it to you before you run out. If you have been on the diet long enough, and I think you have, you can take up to a 4 day interruption and go right back into P2. Also, have you done any skip days yet? Many people skip one day per week. That will help extend your supply/round. When you do the planned interruption, don't go hog wild, but either eat extra P2 or maybe even P3, although I would ask margie, beth or grammy for their expert advice on that.

    Where did you order from? Try ordering from Fran at yourhcgdiet.com if you don't get your order. I think she still has stock of the 23 day kits of corion. I just got one this week and also an extra vial of 2000i.u. corion. I think she was out of the other brands. But she just got an order in, so if she has it, you'll get it quickly and you can either store or sell your other order if it turns out you don't need it.

    Hope that helps!
  9. Kit3000's Avatar
    That is where I ordered it from, so hopefully I will be able to follow your suggestion for the planned interruption. I thought I would stay within the P2 food groups also. Many thanks for taking the time to help me out! I will let you know how it turns out. Very happy to have found such helpful information.