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r2p3 How's it going? Not so well.

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So I am day 18 of p3 and have had a total of 5 steak days. Should have been 6, I was over my 2lbs LIW but I had a bm and it dropped me to .1 away from my 2lbs and that day I had guests over for dinner so a steak day really wasn't going to work for me so I decided not to do it. I have looked over my food and there are no common factors as to what's causing the gains. I think it's something then not eat it and still gain. So here is my menu from the start of this p3. I can't find any pattern as to what it may be. I am seriously thinking of starting p2 for 14 days and trying p3 over. The worst that would happen is I can't stabilize right? Well, that's already happening. My r1 was not like this. I had 3 steak days in 6 weeks and it was super easy to figure out what went wrong. If you see a pattern or something that stands out, please share because I am stumped.

LIW 145.7
Day 1- 144.5
Breakfast- Nothing.
Lunch- salad: 8oz chicken, 1/2 avocado, cherry toms, yellow bell pep, mush, blue cheese dress and WF honey mustard dress.
Dinner- salad: 2cups of hamburger, tomato, 1 tablespoon black olives, avocado, onion, cheese, home made salsa.

Day 2- 147
1st steak day. 16oz ribeye cooked in butter with coffee grounds and roasted garlic for seasoning.

Day 3 145.8
Breakfast- 3 cups coffee with HWC and coconut oil
Lunch- 3 eggs with hamburger, 1/2 avocado, tomato, mushrooms
snack- 1/2 avocado, tomato, mushrooms cooked in butter
dinner- Salmon with bacon wrap cooked in butter. Roasted brussel sprouts & leeks

Day 4 146
breakfast- 3 eggs tossed with 1/2 avocado, cherry tom, bacon, sausage, onion. 3 cups coffee with HWC & C/O
Lunch- not hungry
Dinner- 10oz chicken breast, cauliflower mash mixed with butter and HWC. Coleslaw made with green/purple cabbage and fennel and WF coleslaw dressing.
Dessert- reduced blue berries, strawberries, raspberries cooked in butter and cocoa powder topped with HWC.

Day 5 146.5
Breakfast- 3 eggs mixed with 1/2 avocado, tomato, leeks, mushroom cooked in butter. 3 cups coffee HWC & c/o
lunch- not hungry
Dinner- 10oz chicken breast, leeks, tomato, apples, bell pep, mushroom blue cheese dress

Day 6- 146.9
Breakfast- 3 eggs mixed with 1/2 avocado, tomato, leeks, mushroom cooked in butter
Lunch- 10oz chicken breast, leeks, tomato, apples, bell pep, mushroom blue cheese dress
Dinner- salad: 2cups of hamburger, tomato, 1 tablespoon black olives, avocado, onion, cheese, home made salsa and fage

Day 7- 147.5
Breakfast- 3 eggs mixed with 1/2 avocado, tomato, leeks, mushroom cooked in butter
Lunch- salad; 10oz chicken breast, blue berries, 1/2 avocado. blue cheese dress
Dinner- restaurant in Disney;protein burger side salad, no dress.

Day 8 146.5
Breakfast- 3 cups coffee hwc & c/ o, 3 eggs mixed with 1/2 avocado, tomato, leeks, mushroom, cheddar cheese cooked in butter.
Lunch- nothing
Dinner- nothing
cocoa crack before bed and 10 macadamia nuts.

Day 9- 148.2 then had a bm brought me to 147.6
Breakfast- 3 coffee w/ hwc &c/o.
lunch- chicken breast mixed with avocado, tomato, mushroom cooked in butter.
Dinner- 16oz ribeye topped with sauteed mushrooms in butter. roasted brussel sprouts and califlower.
Dessert- reduced blue berries, strawberries, raspberries cooked in butter and cocoa powder topped with HWC.

Day 10 147.2
Breakfast- 3 scrambled eggs w/ cheese. 1/2 avocado, 4 slices of bacon
Lunch- cheese stick, salad;10oz chicken, blueberries, apple, avocado, cucumber blue cheese dressing
dinner- chicken thigh topped with caramelized onions and sauteed mushrooms in butter, roasted brussel sprouts. Salad- cabbage,apples,celery, blue cheese dress
dessert- cocoa crack

Day 11 147.8
2nd Steak day 1.4lbs of Tbone and a apple

Day 12 145.9
Breakfast- 3 egg omelet 1/2, avocado, 1/2 tomato, 1/2 onion topped fage and salsa 3 coffee with HCW.
Lunch- hamburger, fage and salsa
dinner- salad; peperoni, mushrooms, tablespoon black olive, tomato blue cheese dress. Hot wings (franks sauce) and blue cheese

Day 13 148.7
3 Steak day 18oz ribeye and tomato. 3 cups coffee HWC

Day 14 146.1
Breakfast- 2 eggs, 1 avocado, cantaloupe, honey dew, grapes, blue berries
snack - 1/2c almonds 1/2c pumpkin seeds
lunch- Restaurant- protein burger w/ cheese. Salad with plain mustard dressing
snack 1/4c almonds
Dinner- In & out protein burger w/ cheese

Day 15 146.9
breakfast- 3 egg omelet, mushroom, onion. 3 cups coffee w/ hwc. cantaloupe, honey dew, grapes
snack/lunch- 1/2c almonds 1/2c pumpkin seeds
dinner- In & out protein burger.

Day 16 148.5
4th Steak day 1.8lb top sirloin & apple. 3 coffee w/ hwc

Day 17 146.5
B- 2 eggs 1/2 avocado 3 coffee w/ hwc
L- salad; blueberries 12oz chicken breast, celery, 1/2 avocado. wf honey mustard
D- bacon wrapped salmon cooked in butter, roasted califlower & brussel sprouts. side salad; bacon, avocado, apples. WF Bacon ranch dressing 2 glass wine

Day 18 149.1
5th Steak day

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  1. Faithful's Avatar
    Crystalmama,
    First off I am amazing that you keep such meticulous records! Kudos to you!
    Here are 3 things I noticed
    1 - are you sure you're OK with eggs?
    2 - Avocados! I know most people do well with them, but last round I suspected they were a problem for me so I cut them out.
    3 - could the big jump this morning be from the wine you had last night. Some people really gain from wine because of the sugar content.

    What if after your steak day today, you go back to strictly P2 foods only for a while and see if you can stabilize. It is worth a try
  2. 4myhealth's Avatar
    That's exactly what I singled out - AVOCADOS.
  3. CrystalMamaof4's Avatar
    I was thinking avocados too, but I didn't have any on the day 15 and day 16 was a steak day. I can pull them and see what happens. I ate eggs quite a bit on p2 still lost. I had them 2 days before moving into p3. It could have been the wine, that was my first thought when I seen the huge gain this am.

    For me, (I know this sounds stupid) but if I am going to go p2 foods I feel I should just go to p2 with hcg for 14 days and then try to stabilize into p3.
  4. Faithful's Avatar
    I've been going over your menu with a fine tooth comb lol
    Could it be HWC? It is dairy after all.
    Last round(P3) I started out with HWC, but switched to half-n-half after a while because the HWC seemed to be a problem for ME and also because it had additives.
  5. Moonbeam's Avatar
    OOPS! Should I have replied here?
    I didn't see the two glasses of wine! Yes, yes, yes, I am so sure that is a big part of it! ............ if it was red. It always makes me gain. I can feel my rings getting tight when I am drinking it! It is also the tannins that cause gains, which are high in red wine. If you laser it let me know if it works. I just don't drink wine at all anymore just for that reason! Did you have it the other days?
  6. Lilly818's Avatar
    Definitely the wine!

    Also, I want to support a few things Moon said in the other thread:

    1) Definitely look at the night shades. I don't do well when I have too many peppers and tomatoes. Tomatos in P2 totall kill my losses. And in P3, I had them twice and was up a pound both times.

    2) Too many steak days!! You are only supposed to do them every 4-5 days. I totall agree with Moon all the steak days could be keeping your body in constant flux.

    3) Too much protein! 12 oz of chicken breast in one meal?? No bueno. Right now you need moderate protein, and high fat. This was my mistake until I figured it out last P3. I kept doing high protein days and gaining! Bring down your protein portions to 4-5 oz per meal, and eat more fats, LESS fruit!!

    4)Breakfast- 2 eggs, 1 avocado, cantaloupe, honey dew, grapes, blue berries - NOT a good ratio of protein to carbs. Cantaloupe and grapes are super sweet, and you didn't eat enough protein to offset this sugar spike. Especially for breakfasst, which should be mostly protein and fat to control your blood sugar the rest of the day.

    5) Are you clear with yellow american cheese? Or did you have the In n Out burguers without cheese?

    6) Day 15 looks like you didn't eat enough, and had too much carbs at breakfast.

    Bottom line:

    1) Lower protein to 4 oz portions per meal
    2) eliminate sweet fruits, only eat berries, apples, grapefuirt, etc, for now
    3) increase fats (coconut milk? walnuts, pecans in salads?)
    4) Watch those avocados

    Hope this helps!!
  7. CrystalMamaof4's Avatar
    Lilly Thanks for looking it over I just wanted to clarify a couple things (for Moon too) 1st time having the wine. I don't have many peppers and tomatoes and I had tomatoes on a steak day that I lost over 2lbs on, so one would think if that's the issue it wouldn't produce a good loss, also I had them for 8 days before needing a steak day.

    No where in protocol does it say you can do too many, it says any time you get over 2lbs you must do a steak day. I am nervous to up my fat much more than it is because my last round I had high cholesterol and never had a issue with it before so it freaks me out to add much more than I am now. One your #3 just to clarify it was 1/4c of ALL those fruits. Seriously like 4 blueberries and 1 grape and then a few pieces of melon. I am not sure if I am clear of cheese or not. I have had it and did fine, no gain and then had it and had a gain, I have no idea. Day 15 was the day we went out ocean fishing, so yes, I didn't have access to much food that day. Also just so you know, no where in protocol says no carbs, it says no sugar and starch. People automatically associate the two because of man made foods (breads ect) but they are not the same.

    As far as protein, you only eat 12oz of protein in a day? Even on p2 you are allowed 7oz, 12 seems WAY too low to me. I like to eat meat and veggies because they fill me up and then I won't snack during the day/night.

    EDIT; So I have been looking over my last p3 and I think you are right on the fat part, I ate MUCH more food and more fat. My concern still sits with the high cholesterol, it freaked me out SO bad when I went in and they said I have high BP an cholesterol. Maybe I should buy a cholesterol kit and monitor my own so I don't freak out about it. I have also read people who say high cholesterol isn't bad for you like the dr say, there is no good and bad cholesterol ect.. but I ain't ready to hop on that train yet though!
    Updated October 3rd, 2012 at 05:28 PM by CrystalMamaof4
  8. Newjulie's Avatar
    HI Crystal --- its great that you are being so diligent in P3 --- it will help you to figure this out. You already have some great suggestions. I have a different perspective based on the things I know that are issues for me. I would cut back on the cheeses --- you are having cheese and blue cheese drsg... not sure of the quantities but if you have yeast issues, cheese will def cause a gain. I also thing you should watch the pork, especially if it is not a pork loin. I think you had bacon and sausage in one meal. Also, not sure if the products you are using are processed or you are making them, like the drsg. Anything prepared may cause issues. I also agree that you did not eat enough one day and are not eating healthy fats. Are you cooking with EVOO? CO? Butter?

    Finally on the corrrection days... within my little group we were doing tons of them and I asked everyone to stop bc I was concerned we were just yoyoing around and not getting proper nutrition just to see a # on the scale. We all went to P3 clean eating--- pure proteins like steak, chicken, fish and non starchy veggies and some fruit. It worked much better to keep the weight fluctuations in check.

    Hope there is something helpful in here. P3 is the harest part of the plan IMHO! Let us know what you try and how it works. Good luck!
  9. Lilly818's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalMamaof4
    Lilly Thanks for looking it over I just wanted to clarify a couple things (for Moon too) 1st time having the wine. I don't have many peppers and tomatoes and I had tomatoes on a steak day that I lost over 2lbs on, so one would think if that's the issue it wouldn't produce a good loss, also I had them for 8 days before needing a steak day.

    No where in protocol does it say you can do too many, it says any time you get over 2lbs you must do a steak day. I am nervous to up my fat much more than it is because my last round I had high cholesterol and never had a issue with it before so it freaks me out to add much more than I am now. One your #3 just to clarify it was 1/4c of ALL those fruits. Seriously like 4 blueberries and 1 grape and then a few pieces of melon. I am not sure if I am clear of cheese or not. I have had it and did fine, no gain and then had it and had a gain, I have no idea. Day 15 was the day we went out ocean fishing, so yes, I didn't have access to much food that day. Also just so you know, no where in protocol says no carbs, it says no sugar and starch. People automatically associate the two because of man made foods (breads ect) but they are not the same.

    As far as protein, you only eat 12oz of protein in a day? Even on p2 you are allowed 7oz, 12 seems WAY too low to me. I like to eat meat and veggies because they fill me up and then I won't snack during the day/night.

    EDIT; So I have been looking over my last p3 and I think you are right on the fat part, I ate MUCH more food and more fat. My concern still sits with the high cholesterol, it freaked me out SO bad when I went in and they said I have high BP an cholesterol. Maybe I should buy a cholesterol kit and monitor my own so I don't freak out about it. I have also read people who say high cholesterol isn't bad for you like the dr say, there is no good and bad cholesterol ect.. but I ain't ready to hop on that train yet though!

    I hear you on the "no sugar no starch" is no "added' sugar. Still, for those of us who are so sensitive to insulin spikes (me!) eating fruit that is too sweet will spike my insulin and cause problems. I also think that the fruit thing is worse when you aren't eating enough fat with your meal!! Fat is really hard for your body to metabolize because they are big bulky molecules, so it slows down your digestion and hence the sugar from the fruit goes into your bloodstream slower, preventing an insulin spike. Just my thoughts.

    As far as protein: After 6 weeks in P3, yes, I lowered my protein portions to 4-5 oz per meal, and increased fats. Also I was getting protein from yogurt, nuts, cheese, cream, hwc, etc, so it's not just 12-15 oz of protein for the day. When I had high protein days eating only meat and fat I always gained and felt sluggish and tired. They worked initially on P3, but not after. Your body needs about 0.7-0.9 g of protein per pound of body weight, and that's to maintain your muscle. Body builders eat 1.5 g of protein per pound of body weight to put ON muscle and they lift weights like crazy. If you eat too much protein for a long period of time (like 150g a day like we do initially on P3) your body will start storing the extra protein and you start gaining. It just doesn't need that much unless you're exercising heavily. There's a lot of info on moderating protein later into P3 on the forum.

    12-15 oz of protein a day plus other protein sources is around 100-110 g of protein, depending on what protein you choose, that's plenty for a 145 pound woman that isn't weight training, in terms of lifetime maintenance. Still, I really think you're just not eating enough fats.

    Don't be afraid of fat! Hope things get sorted out and you can maintain at 146 now
  10. CrystalMamaof4's Avatar
    Lilly-Question on this "Fat is really hard for your body to metabolize because they are big bulky molecules, so it slows down your digestion and hence the sugar from the fruit goes into your bloodstream slower, preventing an insulin spike." This has be confused, I thought fat was made for our bodies to digest easily thats why the Primal/paleo diets work so well. Is it possible I am getting too much fat and it's slowing me down?
  11. CrystalMamaof4's Avatar
    OMG! I think I found it! It wouldn't explain all my steak days but it does explain 3 of them. Cocoa crack and c/o in my coffee. I know I had it one of the days before a steak day and forgot to write it down, then I also had it on day 17 and forgot to write it down. If that's what it is, that WOULD SUCK. Maybe it would be the xylitol that's the only time I use it.
  12. CrystalMamaof4's Avatar
    Hi everyone, I just wanted to check in and let you know how things are going since I wrote this 6 1/2 weeks ago. I cut out dairy for 6 weeks and I seem to do just fine. I tried dairy and all of a sudden have a huge gain so left it out and accepted my fate as no dairy. I did try to laser it but it didn't work. I was ok with dairy in R1. Anyway, I have recently put it back in and have been doing 100% perfect. I have had dairy and carbs and sugar and eat pretty much whatever I want and I stay within a 1lb of liw. Just stay on protocol and if in doubt and gaining for no reason cut everything out. I ate only chicken for a week, breakfast lunch and dinner, I would add something to it every three days it took a while but I did and you can too!