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    Starting Phase 2 right away

    I currently work full time at Whataburger, which is a popular regional fast food burger chain here in Texas. I originally thought of doing phase 1, but the problem is that it's expensive and it'll cost me more money buying organic foods, doing all the cleanses, colonics etc. So I thought of starting phase 2 right away within a few days. Instead of spending all the money buying organic foods, doing the cleanses during phase 1, I should spend it on buying organic food items for phases 2 & 3. I keep reading that when once people are finished doing the original hCG weight loss they gain it back. I'm thinking that's because those people didn't do ALL or almost all of the things for phase 1. Not only that they bought conventional foods for phases 2 & 3 at Walmart, Sam's Club, Kroger, Target etc. It seems that this is more prevalent in women. Whereas I'm a 30 year old male.

    I want to be lean and thin like I used to be during my childhood. I currently weight 213lbs and would like to lose 60-65lbs. I want to be able to eat any thing that I want, being organic of course.

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    Almost no one does the Kevin Trudeau "phase 1" cleanses and supplements. Its really not necessary.

    On this forum, we refer to the 2 days of loading as phase 1. I would definitely save your money and spend it on quality food going forward.

    Being male, you will likely easily lose an average of a pound a day, and possibly more. It will take you 2 rounds to get to your goal. You have to stop losing at 34 pounds even if you have not completed the 40 dose round yet.

    Its unrealistic to think you will maintain your loss eating anything you want. You'll need to make some changes from eating the way that got you fat in the first place. Although it will be a lot easier to do that after HCG, because you won't have the cravings that are perpetuated by constant exposure to poor food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    You have to stop losing at 34 pounds even if you have not completed the 40 dose round yet.
    What do you mean by that? I know that the maximum days to be on the hCG would be 40 days. Because right after the 45th day your body starts building immunity towards the hCG. So therefore I would do six weeks of phase 2, then six weeks of phase three. Finally I'll do phase 2 for 21 days then move on to phase 3. I would be in phase 3 for three weeks then finally move into phase 4z

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    The round is counted by dose days, not by low-calorie days. So your 2 load days are part of the maximum 40 injections. You will have a round longer than 40 days because you do a skip day once a week.

    The maximum you are allowed to lose per round is 34 pounds. If you have great losses, its possible to get to that point before the maximum of 40 dose days. So if you reach the maximum loss before then, you have to add protein calories to the point where you stop losing and finish the 40 dose days, or you can stop at any point after you have had 23 injections and transition to P3.

    Dr. Simeons would allow very obese people to lose a maximum of 40 pounds, but that would be someone that was around 100 pounds or more overweight. You don't fit in that group. (For which I'm sure you are thankful. )

    The reason there is a limit is that your skin needs time to catch up to the loss, and your body needs to rest from processing all that fat. If you are doing the 40 dose round, you must skip dosing one day a week to delay immunity.

    No matter when you stop, you do 3 weeks of P3 plus at least 3 weeks additional. (The additional time increases between each subsequent round).

    So if this is your first round, you would do 3 weeks phase 3 + 3 more weeks which could be phase3 eating continued if you wish, or phase 4 which allows you to introduce starches and sugar again. You can't just do 3 weeks Phase 3 after a round and then immediate jump back into another round. You need that full waiting time.

    It sounds like you have a good plan.

    You might want to consider extending your second round to 30 dose days. That seems to give a better stabilization than the the 23 dose day minimum. Although its not a requirement. Some stabilize fine after the short round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    The round is counted by dose days, not by low-calorie days. So your 2 load days are part of the maximum 40 injections. You will have a round longer than 40 days because you do a skip day once a week.

    The maximum you are allowed to lose per round is 34 pounds. If you have great losses, its possible to get to that point before the maximum of 40 dose days. So if you reach the maximum loss before then, you have to add protein calories to the point where you stop losing and finish the 40 dose days, or you can stop at any point after you have had 23 injections and transition to P3.

    Dr. Simeons would allow very obese people to lose a maximum of 40 pounds, but that would be someone that was around 100 pounds or more overweight. You don't fit in that group. (For which I'm sure you are thankful. )

    The reason there is a limit is that your skin needs time to catch up to the loss, and your body needs to rest from processing all that fat. If you are doing the 40 dose round, you must skip dosing one day a week to delay immunity.

    No matter when you stop, you do 3 weeks of P3 plus at least 3 weeks additional. (The additional time increases between each subsequent round).

    So if this is your first round, you would do 3 weeks phase 3 + 3 more weeks which could be phase3 eating continued if you wish, or phase 4 which allows you to introduce starches and sugar again. You can't just do 3 weeks Phase 3 after a round and then immediate jump back into another round. You need that full waiting time.

    It sounds like you have a good plan.

    You might want to consider extending your second round to 30 dose days. That seems to give a better stabilization than the the 23 dose day minimum. Although its not a requirement. Some stabilize fine after the short round.
    I don't find anywhere in Dr.Simeons original manuscript saying that one must skip the hCG injections every 7 days. The hCG clinic that I went to this last Thursday, said that it's not nessarybto skip every 7 days during phase 2. They also brought up on how the hCG stays on your body for 48 hours. An example would be you forgot to inject yourself the hCG on a day so you would just wait till the next morning to inject it. Also the person that went over with me the phase 2 diet plan said to not take twice the hCG dosage just in case I forgot it. They told me that they have their patients inject themselves with hCG every single day during phase 2 and haven't seen anyone develop immunity towards the hCG within the 40 days range.
    Also I've read Kevin Trudeau's weight loss book and he never mentioned anything about skipping the hCG injection for every 6 or 7 days during phase 2. So I don't know what I should do whenever I approach the sixth day of my hCG injection.

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    It is not necessary to skip a day a week unless you are on injections and are doing the 40 dose protocol. Immunity cases used to be rare, but we are seeing a lot more of them as more and more doctors and clinics prescribe really high doses. We also see it in some that do not observe the waiting times between rounds.

    This from the Original Manuscript of Dr. Simeons protocol:

    http://hcgdietinfo.com/hCG-Diet-Manu...-to-hCG-37.htm
    Patients who need only 23 injections may be injected daily, including Sundays, as they never develop immunity. In those that take 40 injections the onset of immunity can be delayed if they are given only six injections a week, leaving out Sundays or any other day they choose, provided that it is always the same day. On the days on which they do not receive the injections they usually feel a slight sensation of hunger. At first we thought that this might be purely psychological, but we found that when normal saline is injected without the patient’s knowledge the same phenomenon occurs..
    HCG that is injected stays in your body for 72 hours. That is why you need 2 loading days to give time for the HCG to build up to full strength on the third day. And why you must allow 72 on the 500 calorie diet without RX HCG when you are transitioning to P3.

    http://hcgdietinfo.com/hCG-Diet-Manu...-Course-83.htm
    Plan of a Normal Course
    125 I.U. of HCG daily (except during menstruation) until 40 injections have been given. Until 3rd injection forced feeding.
    After 3rd injection, 500 Calorie diet to be continued until 72 hours after the last injection.
    For the following 3 weeks, all foods allowed except starch and sugar in any form (careful with very sweet fruit).
    After 3 weeks, very gradually add starch in small quantities, always controlled by morning weighing.
    You only need 48 hours is for the homeopathic form (hhcg) to leave your body.

    So what should you do when approaching the 6th day? You will have to decide which protocol to follow. Simeons, Trudeau's, or your HCG providers representative.

    There are countless variations on the original protocol, and each has its followers. However, we know the original protocol works as written. With all others, you are experimenting on yourself. I recommend skipping one day a week if you are doing the long round. An added benefit is that it extends your round. You'll continue losing on the skip days anyway, so its like a bonus.
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    I just started the hCG today. Do you know it it's really necessary for people whenever they take the hCG injection first thing in the morning they need to wait at least 1hr 30min until they can eat something?

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    You can eat whenever you wish. It does not affect the HCG in any way that I'm aware of. Dr. Simeons injected people at all times of the day in his clinic, and did not give them any instructions about a time window regarding their eating and their injection time.

    My best advice to anyone starting a round is to spend time reading the Original Manuscript of Dr. Simeons protocol. I usually read it through multiple times when in P2. Its a great way to get centered on the proven way this is done, and then you can decide on adding any variations in an informed way.

    The link is always available here on the forums in the top blue menu bar.

    Good luck, and happy loading. You're on your way!
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    IntJStudRes_2014_4_2_25_149755_f2.jpgWould this be a good illustration to where I should inject myself each morning? I injected myself in the mid belly area this morning, just as the clinic told me to do it.

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    That looks like a chart that could be meant for intra-muscular injection. There are a few who do their rounds with IM injections. The dose for that is always 125iu. Are you doing IM?

    Most people use subcutaneous injections for HCG, and you can use any chart for diabetic insulin injections to find the best SQ injeciton sites.

    Belly fat is one of the best places to inject because the nerve endings are fewer in that area. Stay a couple inches away from the navel. I always do the belly fat injections myself.

    My best injection tips is: to avoid bruising at the injection site, touch your needle tip to the skin. If you feel any pain, move the needle over until you find a point where there is no pain. As little as a 1/4 inch can make the difference. Once I started doing this, I have never had another injection bruise.

    Here's a chart for subcutaneous injections:
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