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    Question 2 newbie questions

    first of all, i've been reading this forum for four days, read dr simeon's book and have started weight loss apocalypse. i'm learning a ton so mahalo for sharing what you've learned through your rounds. my chiropractor recommended taking the hcg to lose weight although he can no longer administer it b/c of the FDA. where i once thought that this diet was suffering on a stick, now i know better. i've got pellets coming to me and i'm going to start around 8/1 since i'll be traveling until then. i'm so excited to start!

    can anyone help me with my two burning questions that i haven't been able to find the answers to myself just by reading and searching?

    1. i'm doing weight watchers right now (in an effort to slim down before vacay) and chances are i'll be doing a modified version as i travel. what happens is that i'm usually "good" for a week or so then it all goes to crap due to the stress of not being at home. i'm not sure if i should do 2 days of loading at the beginning or 3? i will have been on a reduced calorie diet but will probably fall off the wagon so i'm confused about which one its going to be.

    2. this is more complicated and related to my absolute panic about p3 and beyond. i know the hcg resets the hypothalamus but i'm afraid of this round becoming one more failure added to the many. i know i need to follow the protocol strictly but yeah i'm still afraid. i'm wondering if anyone has followed the principles of mastering leptin in p3 and after as a way to continue to lose or at least maintain. i'm talking about the 5 rules to combat leptin resistance:


    1. Never eat after dinner - And finish eating about 3 hours before you go to bed, i.e., never go to bed with a full stomach. Avoid eating anything for 12 hours between dinner and breakfast.

    REASON - During the first 6-8 hours after eating dinner, the body is burns calories consumed during the day. During the 8th to 12th hour after dinner comes "the most effective fat burning time." Having a snack before bedtime (or a late evening meal) causes leptin release, which tells your body/brain that no additional energy is required, and no fat will be burned during the latter part of the night.

    2. Eat 3 meals per day - And allow 5-6 hours between meals. Do NOT Snack.

    REASON - During the first three hours after a meal, insulin is storing calories from the food we have eaten, putting our bodies in glucose burning mode. In hours 4-6, our bodies shift into fat buringin mode. Snacking withing that 5-6 hour window will stimulate insulin release, and thus bypass the fat burning mode.

    3. Avoid eating large meals - Do not give your body more fuel than it can use.

    REASON - Regular large meals will invariably lead to leptin and insulin resistance. So eat slowly and chew really well, because it takes your brain ten minutes to let you know you're full. Another technique, after you've eaten half of your meal, take a 5-minute break. And don't feel you have to "clean your plate."

    4. Eat high-protein breakfast

    REASON - Keeps your body in the fat-burning mode from your night's fast and may reduce late afternoon energy crashes.

    5. Reduce carbohydrate consumption. But don't cut out ALL carbohydrates.

    REASON - Carbs lead to the release of insulin, which puts you in glucose burning mode.

    Byron and Mary Richards recommend a ratio of 50/50 of carbs to protein, which amounts to a palm-sized portion of protein and starch, plus eat as many vegetables as you like, except for the peas, corn, cooked carrots, and other starchy veggies, which count as carbs.


    the list is from http://www.wanderings.net/notebook/M...LeptinRichards i have the book around here somewhere . . .

    obviously #5 will have to be modified in P3. but everything else should be do-able, right? just wondering if anyone has tried it and continued losing or maintained. i imagine it might be a good blueprint for life beyond a round but i'd love to hear what you think.

    TIA

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    Basically, that is me on paleo. Even now in P2, I am switching my meals around to have breakfast with meat, tiny lunch, and fish and veggies for dinner. I always leave at least 4 hours between dinner and sleep. I eat protein and veggies for breakfast, sometimes just avocado when on the run. And I don't eat large meals anymore - just not hungry enough, so no overeating. I eat whenever I am hungry, though - that might be two meals and a snack, or on some days 3 meals and a snack. It pays to listen to your body, once it is able to send out appropriate signals again.

    I managed this through a combination of HCG and paleo. HCG really got me leptin sensitive again, and paleo is just my way of eating for life, hopefully.

    I wouldn't load 3 days - WW is not an extreme diet when it comes to calories. WW doesn't work for me, since I had so many points that it was easy to do ice cream every day... and way too many carbs.

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    woah, that is mind-blowing sweetiepie, that i can do it in P2! for me it was like ok, hcg is working its magic with leptin in P2, how can i make that stick in P3 and after? i think i'm going to try it. as you say, its not really changing what you're eating, just changing how you eat it for maximum energy and mind body connection! thx for the example and thx for the advice abt loading.

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    Chriana,

    I would go off WW during ur vacation (at least last week) and just eat normal healthy foods with healthy fats. WW just restricts fats too much. Then load for 2 days. Load really well. Whatever u gain shortly before or during loading is normally lost within the first 48 h of vlcd.
    As for mastering leptin, many here on the forum do leptin reset, which is a stricter form, but basically following these rules on their p3. During p2 u may or may not follow the mastering leptin timing. But I don't think it matters very much, since hcg itself will increase leptin & leptin sensitivity. The only thing that seem to make a difference in losses for some people during p2 is having dinner 2-3 h before going to bed.
    Best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrianna View Post
    woah, that is mind-blowing sweetiepie, that i can do it in P2! for me it was like ok, hcg is working its magic with leptin in P2, how can i make that stick in P3 and after? i think i'm going to try it. as you say, its not really changing what you're eating, just changing how you eat it for maximum energy and mind body connection! thx for the example and thx for the advice abt loading.
    Hope I wasn't confusing - in P2, I do stick to protocol food (mostly), and def. to 500cal. P3 really is my "happily ever after", since I went paleo... and for me, it works like a charm.

    One huge disadvantage of HCG is never mentioned, though. You may find that your gut reacts to foods afterwards that you never before had a problem with. HCG, like paleo, brings inflammation down in your body - but it also means that while I never before had trouble with yogurt or eggs, those are things I cannot have anymore since HCG. This isn't the same as a regular food allergy - for me, it more has to do with my gut finally being rested again... and while all my aches and problems were directly related to the crap I ate before, I never had outright stomach cramps or trouble. I do now. Every food sensitivity I have, I can directly feel now - through violent stomach cramps, diarrhea, or weight gain. I am pretty sure gluten/ carbs would have the same result... not going to test it.

    So when starting HCG, you must be willing to possibly live without some beloved foods in the future. The people that go back round after round after round are usually the ones that don't - and no diet in the world can stop you from gaining weight again if you eat crap afterwards. It doesn't have to be paleo, but I am gonna venture the guess that for most people, gluten and sugar need to be limited.

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    Fat people have become programed to eat between 200-400 grams of carbs a day, so cutting out bread, sugars and starches may seem like you are cutting out all carbs, you are not. Dairy, fruit and vegetables still have carbs. Most people really only need between 25 and 50 grams a day. Example: 1 cup of whole milk has 12 grams of carbs, 1 slice of the average w100% whole wheat bread has 20 grams. A gala apple has over 17 grams. You are not giving up carbs at all. The food industry has lied for many many years and you see where it has gotten us. I think that 50/50 ratio is awfully high. It should be more like 5%-15% carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetiepie View Post
    So when starting HCG, you must be willing to possibly live without some beloved foods in the future. The people that go back round after round after round are usually the ones that don't - and no diet in the world can stop you from gaining weight again if you eat crap afterwards. It doesn't have to be paleo, but I am gonna venture the guess that for most people, gluten and sugar need to be limited.
    When new patients call my office and ask if the weight loss will last after they start, I tell them that unless they make the life style changes to keep the weight off, no it will not. Just like any other program, if you do not change your ways, the weight will come back. We have people that want a magic pill and so far that has not been invented yet. I love it when people gain over a holiday and claim they didn't cheat much or the ones that won't give up 2-4 drinks a night. Come on.....
    But when you see the ones that follow healthy eating, high fiber, high protein, they do awesome and that is how I know the program works.
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    One huge disadvantage of HCG is never mentioned, though. You may find that your gut reacts to foods afterwards that you never before had a problem with. HCG, like paleo, brings inflammation down in your body - but it also means that while I never before had trouble with yogurt or eggs, those are things I cannot have anymore since HCG.


    sweetiepie-this is interesting. can you then eat eggs and yogurt in p3/p4 or is this a permanent "problem"

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    Who knows. I don't do P4, I am all P3 paleo. And I will be interested to see how my gut will react 1 or 2 years down the road, when it is all healthy and happy again. Right now, I am fine with small amounts in food, but no yogurt or eggs outright.

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    Your doing pellets let us know how that works for you ok..... So I did leptin reset as soon as I researched it last round during p2 and it was great I did have two meals a day the first huge with protien and the second maybe less
    Protein first was around 6 am the second before it got dark outside....no snacking

    I had no cravings or hunger and I slept better too. My p3 went great too
    Quote Originally Posted by chrianna View Post
    first of all, i've been reading this forum for four days, read dr simeon's book and have started weight loss apocalypse. i'm learning a ton so mahalo for sharing what you've learned through your rounds. my chiropractor recommended taking the hcg to lose weight although he can no longer administer it b/c of the FDA. where i once thought that this diet was suffering on a stick, now i know better. i've got pellets coming to me and i'm going to start around 8/1 since i'll be traveling until then. i'm so excited to start!

    can anyone help me with my two burning questions that i haven't been able to find the answers to myself just by reading and searching?

    1. i'm doing weight watchers right now (in an effort to slim down before vacay) and chances are i'll be doing a modified version as i travel. what happens is that i'm usually "good" for a week or so then it all goes to crap due to the stress of not being at home. i'm not sure if i should do 2 days of loading at the beginning or 3? i will have been on a reduced calorie diet but will probably fall off the wagon so i'm confused about which one its going to be.

    2. this is more complicated and related to my absolute panic about p3 and beyond. i know the hcg resets the hypothalamus but i'm afraid of this round becoming one more failure added to the many. i know i need to follow the protocol strictly but yeah i'm still afraid. i'm wondering if anyone has followed the principles of mastering leptin in p3 and after as a way to continue to lose or at least maintain. i'm talking about the 5 rules to combat leptin resistance:


    1. Never eat after dinner - And finish eating about 3 hours before you go to bed, i.e., never go to bed with a full stomach. Avoid eating anything for 12 hours between dinner and breakfast.

    REASON - During the first 6-8 hours after eating dinner, the body is burns calories consumed during the day. During the 8th to 12th hour after dinner comes "the most effective fat burning time." Having a snack before bedtime (or a late evening meal) causes leptin release, which tells your body/brain that no additional energy is required, and no fat will be burned during the latter part of the night.

    2. Eat 3 meals per day - And allow 5-6 hours between meals. Do NOT Snack.

    REASON - During the first three hours after a meal, insulin is storing calories from the food we have eaten, putting our bodies in glucose burning mode. In hours 4-6, our bodies shift into fat buringin mode. Snacking withing that 5-6 hour window will stimulate insulin release, and thus bypass the fat burning mode.

    3. Avoid eating large meals - Do not give your body more fuel than it can use.

    REASON - Regular large meals will invariably lead to leptin and insulin resistance. So eat slowly and chew really well, because it takes your brain ten minutes to let you know you're full. Another technique, after you've eaten half of your meal, take a 5-minute break. And don't feel you have to "clean your plate."

    4. Eat high-protein breakfast

    REASON - Keeps your body in the fat-burning mode from your night's fast and may reduce late afternoon energy crashes.

    5. Reduce carbohydrate consumption. But don't cut out ALL carbohydrates.

    REASON - Carbs lead to the release of insulin, which puts you in glucose burning mode.

    Byron and Mary Richards recommend a ratio of 50/50 of carbs to protein, which amounts to a palm-sized portion of protein and starch, plus eat as many vegetables as you like, except for the peas, corn, cooked carrots, and other starchy veggies, which count as carbs.


    the list is from http://www.wanderings.net/notebook/M...LeptinRichards i have the book around here somewhere . . .

    obviously #5 will have to be modified in P3. but everything else should be do-able, right? just wondering if anyone has tried it and continued losing or maintained. i imagine it might be a good blueprint for life beyond a round but i'd love to hear what you think.

    TIA
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