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    Newbie Here would love to get info on P2 length allowed/recommended

    Hello All,

    Im new here and Im very excited to start on HCG again! I just ordered it from DietDoc and had my consultation yesterday so I will hopefully receive my Rx this weekend/early next week! Yay! I am not new to HCG (used to get it from a Dr. here, locally) so I am "mostly" aware of what is expected of me to succeed. I had success with it a few years ago before my wedding but since then I've been SUPER bad and it's a huge goal of mine to be at my best shape by my 40th Birthday (1yr/2mos away!) so here I am back to it!

    My concern is that I ordered the 60 days supply in hopes to lose the full 50lbs Im aiming for and I have been researching whether or not I should go the Full 60 days in P2 and then enter P3 OR if I need to do 2 Full 30 day Rounds. I see conflicting info all over the internet and I've been so confused. After seeing that popular advice here is to do 2(30day P2) rounds I was certain that I would be going that route, even though I would rather just charge through the full 60days to be honest.
    BUT, yesterday I spoke to the Dr. (from DietDoc) and he said that it was Okay for me to just go the full 60 days. I said, "Really? I thought that could create a possible immunity?" and he said, "No the 60days consecutively is totally okay or until I lose what I want."
    Now I am confused again. Can I do the full 60 in P2?

    Also, I might add that I lost a little bit of confidence in the Dr. doing my intake when he couldnt answer how many IUs of HCG I would be getting. I am sure it's 5000 but I was once prescribed 4000 and then also 6000 so I wanted to know. Guess I will find out when I get my shipment :/

    Thank you!!!

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    All the different providers seem to have their own take on how to use HCG for weight loss, but most of them do not follow the original protocol. And many will start you on an extremely high dose. A starting dose of around 150iu for subcutaneous injection is usually good for most people.

    I recommend you read the original Manuscript, and compare all advice given you according to what is written there. You can then make an informed decision on what advice to take from your provider. Diet Doc's program is engineered to get you into ketosis, and so they will have different instructions for that, as ketosis is not a part of the original protocol.

    Actually 2 30 days rounds is not the first recommendation of the protocol. The first recommendation is to do the long rounds (40 injections) until you only need to lose the last 15 or so and then do a shorter round. It gives the hypothalamus enough time to rest so that you can reset properly at your lower weight each time.

    I've used Diet Doc and really like them for the quality of their HCG, but I'm not sure they think the HCG does much beyond appetite control, and they have lots of other products for that they can sell you if the HCG stops suppressing your appetite. The whole idea of immunity does not seem to be a factor for them if they are telling you there is no problem doing a 60 day round.

    Some don't believe there is the possibility of immunity, but we have seen it more and more frequently here because of the very high doses recommended by many providers. It can happen, and if it does, you risk it being permanent and losing this weight loss tool for the future.

    You can do a 60 day round without risk of immunity if you are using homeopathic hhcg, but even then its recommended to limit rounds to 40 dose days. Its more a matter in this case of resting your body from the stress of weight loss and giving your skin a chance to catch up. Not only that, but if you are anything like me, you will be READY to move into P3 after a 40 day round.
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    Thank you for this feedback! ^_^

    Do you know if each vial from Diet Doc will give me 40 injections worth? I got the 60 day package so I was just assuming it would be two vials of 30days. Also I got the MIC/B12 as well. Do you think I need to use it during my first round or can I get away with using it as an extra boost on my second round?

    I do not want to risk immunity! I will likely do what I can to avoid that as a possibility.

    Thanks so much!

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    Diet Doc will send your HCG in smaller vials. There may be an additional charge, but you could request that in order to do a 40 day round with the first 2 vials anda shorter round later. We generally recommend not using your HCG longer than 30 days after mixing, but DietDocs product is super potent --more than 100%--so it may stay viable the whole 40 days. Some have prefilled and frozen extra syringes to use later and have had success with that, even though it is not recommended.
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    I see Leez already covered pretty much EVERYTHING but I'm wondering why Dr. Rao didn't tell you on the spot what your dosage would be? Unless I'm misunderstanding. He calculated mine on the spot and recommended 150iu.

    Also, in case you were asking about the vial size you will be getting- it will be 5000iu x 2, shipped separately. Each one is good for 30 days, at normal dosage (anywhere from 125 to 175.)

    If you don't want to wait, you can always go to the DietDoc patient portal and schedule a call with the Dr again. Or, you can call the coach/nutritionist they assigned you and see if they have your dosage on file yet. It will certainly be in your instructions when your kit arrives, but I thought I'd mention that in case you are eager.

    When you start taking your Hcg (on day 1 of loading phase) stick to what the doctor says (which is usually 150iu but depends on your medical profile) but be sure to take note of how you are feeling. The sooner you can make sure your dosage is right, the easier your phase 2 will be. For example, I realize now, I should have adjusted my dosage a bit sooner- going up from 150 to 175iu put me in a place where I have 0 hunger and feel REALLY good. At 150, I was good, but my body felt like it "needed something" and I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I don't think I had quite enough Hcg in my system. On the other hand, if I had been feeling hungry consistently, I would have lowered my dosage.

    By the way, Dr. Rao actually believes one of the biggest benefits of Hcg is it's ability to suppress the appetite. I sent them a "Q&A" for the doc to feel out, and one of my questions was, "What is the biggest benefit of the Hcg Hormone in weight loss?" His answer was allllllll about it's ability to suppress the hunger. I was actually surprised since most doctors tend to miss this one completely.

    Eager to hear how your start goes!
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    Thank you so much for all this info, it is definitely helping me clear things up. When I would pick it up before from my local Dr. they already premixed it for me so I will be new to adding the water to the mixture and I don't want to mess anything up(I cant afford too, really!)

    I too, wanted to know the dosage over the phone but perhaps he is New? haha. It wasn't Dr. Rao who I spoke with. It was Dr. Shelton and the notes on the portal ended up saying the following: Dosage: "HCG 200 subcutaneous liquid" Instructions: "0.2 ml once a day in the morning for 25 Day(s), subcutaneous route"
    That would be 20 on the syringe, correct?

    I agree, the hunger isn't too bad on HCG, at least for me. I also do a really great job at mentally psyching myself up for it all that even now(before it all) I find myself eating way less. Loading should be interesting,ha!
    Im not sure if I am getting 30 or 60 days of MIC/B12, either, cause on the phone the Dr said only 30 days(which I made him repeat) cause I thought I was buying 60 but then I look at the portal and it says "MIC+B12 10 milliliter(s) subcutaneous liquid 1000 mcg/mL - Take 0.5 ml 5 times a week in the morning for 60 Day(s), subcutaneous route" which makes me believe I am getting it for 60days after all? Maybe this Dr had other things on his mind when we were on the phone. Its fine, so long as I get what I paid for in the end ^_^

    I have an appointment with the nutritionist there on Monday so perhaps I will get more clarification then but if I receive my shipment over the weekend I did want to start straight away.

    Leez, Thank you for telling me about the freezing option, if I have any left I may try it, mostly because I am curious.

    Also, do you know (or can you link me to) how long it has to be before I go back on? How long on P4 before I can do Round 2 (if needed) which I am sure will be needed since my goal weight is 50-55lbs lighter.

    Your help is super appreciated!!!

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    You have to wait 6 weeks between round 1 & 2. That includes the 3 weeks of P3.

    If you plan to do a third round, you'll need to wait 8 weeks before starting round 3.

    Some can handle the 200iu dose you've been given. But if after a couple days of P2, you find yourself extremely hungry or weak, please ask for help. It probably means you need a dose adjustment, and there is a particular way to go about that that.

    At a dose of 200iu, a 5000iu vial will give you 25 doses. I will be surprised if you can stay at 200iu though.

    I wonder if, since you bought a "60 day kit" and you are only going to get 50 doses out of that, if they are going to send you more? (I would ask about that.)
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    Here is a link to the Hcg Diet Phases in case that helps too.
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    Okay, thats good to know. In the past, I would fill my syringe to 25 from a 5000iu bottle. This does seem like I will likely need more. hmm...

    I do plan on sticking to a Keto diet after I am done so I will do that for 6 weeks/while starting HIIT and then go onto round 2.
    I am hoping I can find a way to keep doing HIIT during P2 for my second round but if not I will just go back to walking/yoga when I go back on P2. I will have to do more research.

    Re: Sending me more...Thats a great question! Is there someone specific you think I should talk to at Diet Doc to get some clarification on that? Maybe I will bring it up to the nutritionist, Monday? Not sure if she will have anything to do with that part.

    Thank you!!!

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    She can refer you to whoever can answer the question.

    You can continue doing anything you are used to doing while in P2. You may find your endurance just isn't there though, and you may need to modify to your energy levels.
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    Hi all, I'm relatively new to this site and the HCG protocol itself. I learned about HCG from the doctor that owns my local spa - laser, facials, botox, cool sculpting etc., Up until then it was never on my radar. So fast forward and I'm now on VLCD 27 and despite a few adjustment issues from dosage - he had me starting on .13 and then go straight to .20... I seem to be getting back on track. I'm down 14 pounds and am looking to lose another 36.

    Like others here, I am confused at so much different information, from dosing to protocol issues. My physician - has given me other medicines to help, as well as liquid B12 to inject etc., He said I should stick to 750-1000 calories and that I can do this basically until I lose all the weight I want to. He said that he has reviewed the original protocol, 2.0, 3.0 as well as Leptin Reset information etc,. So perhaps his ideas, suggestions are his unique combination ?

    It honestly confuses me, and I know for sure using the wrong dose for me - caused me to stall for a week at least. Not fun. That said, I think I am back on track, but I dont really know if I am doing what I should be etc., He said doing 60 days straight was ok, until I had lost the weight. I hope its ok and I am going to begin to start planning for Phase 3.

    I'm not sure what if anything I am asking here, perhaps just reaching out to people doing the same things I am. I think so far, to be honest, the emotional eating and triggers have been the far bigger learning experience than adjusting to a low calorie diet. (I try for 500 only ,but some days go higher)

    Hope all are well.

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    @hourglass, ahh, I have a bit more clarification now. I would definitely talk to your nutritionist or the doctor. You have the option to use their live chat on their site, but you can also schedule an appointment with them through the patient portal (I just did that a few days ago and it was very convenient.) Let us know what they say, so we know for future references to help others too! By the way, hi5 to the psyching yourself up approach! Good job!!!

    @Kimberly, hi and welcome!!! You know, honestly every single doctor has "their own approach" and as any successful Hcg Diet veteran will tell you... they usually mess it up lol. That doesn't mean it won't be successful for you- and obviously you are losing, so that's good. On the other hand, it can bring on unnecessary challenges- such as wrong dosage consequences (hunger, slow losses, etc.)

    I haven't done 60 days myself, and the original protocol says 40 days max (followed by a 3 week break) but I see people doing just fine with the 60 day round. It's up to you- If you do decide to move forward with the 60 day protocol, then I follow your instincts to see if it's time to "wrap it up early." For example, if you stop losing weight altogether- it may be time for a break.

    As for the calories... while I have been successful going over the 500 calories, I can tell you that it slows your losses and the best results reported over the years, are those who stuck to the original simians protocol (read pounds and inches linked at the top of the page here) or as close as possible. I personally take it a bit easy on this part, because I do better with less restrictions and I just accept that I may not lose as much as I would if i stuck to the 500 calorie limit.

    Again, it is up to you and what you are comfortable with. I will ask this though- are you following the original protocol's food list? This, I would definitely recommend. It has made a HUGE difference in my losses; the days I only have those foods, my losses are so much better than the days when I go off-list. There is something really amazing about the foods on that list!

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