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    Quote Originally Posted by teutonica View Post
    Shame this thread is so underused ... well I could post here all day but don't want to go down in forum history as hypochondriac, LOL. Anyhoo, can't help it, so here goes:

    1) I'm on R1P2VLCD23 and been having diarrhea since approximately 5 days (and no weight lost in the past 2 days). Around the same time my stomach and esophagus started to hurt a bit when drinking hot lemon water (I can feel each sip running down the esophagus and arrive in the stomach, causing a brief sensation/discomfort). Also, I've suddenly developed heartburn issues; initially only upon ingesting ACV (and I've been using this since VLCD1) but now also around 2 hours after a meal, usually showing through acidic burps.

    2) I mentioned in other threads already that I'm self-medicating my hypothyroid condition, so I don't know if it's related to that. Around 3 weeks ago, I started with a combination of natural desiccated thyroid and T3 (Tiromel/Cytomel) in the morning. I'm following very loosely the 'circadian method' protocol whereby I split my dose and take the first bit around 3 hours before getting up (the other around noon). Sorry for the long-winded intro ... So, I started with a 1/4 tablet (6.25 mcg) of T3 in the morning (while reducing the NDT accordingly). This seemed to go well, hence I upped the T3 to 1/2 tablet (again, reducing NDT accordingly) after 2 weeks (last Thursday, 8/2). I could feel my heart pounding a bit faster but nothing major. However, 2 days later, last Sunday, my heart is beating terribly fast in the morning, and I'm feeling slightly lightheaded. In the afternoon, I'd just been outside for an hour, 1/2 hour later, I'm feeling even worse so I measure blood pressure and heart rate and it says BP 103/78 and HR 112! I got quite scared so I lied down and an hour later, the pulse had gone down to 86 (though BP went up lying?!). This hasn't repeated since but I'm worried of course that it might happen again.

    Now I have to mention that I came down with a stomach infection in late April. It started off early in the month and for the first 2 weeks I also thought I was having heart problems (irregular heartbeat, pounding, high resting pulse) before it made itself known as some stomach bug. The issues above do actually resemble this but obviously, I've been eating super-clean on hcg, no cheating etc. unlike in April/May where I eating very unhealthy food.

    Could I have somehow re-contracted a stomach virus? But how? Is it the hypo medication? Or, does the digestive discomfort indicate problems with the gallbladder, as Dr S mentioned?

    Also, what's the deal with the constant high resting pulse and how dangerous is this in the long run? Ever since April, I rarely get under 80 any more, even though my BP stays low, as always, somewhere between 98/65 to 114/85. - Actually, I'm just looking at my stats and see some funny numbers from 7/6: BP 97/69 HR 95 - isn't that weird or what?

    Barb, thanks for any ideas or advice you have!
    Quote Originally Posted by teutonica View Post
    Shame this thread is so underused ... well I could post here all day but don't want to go down in forum history as hypochondriac, LOL. Anyhoo, can't help it, so here goes:

    1) I'm on R1P2VLCD23 and been having diarrhea since approximately 5 days (and no weight lost in the past 2 days). Around the same time my stomach and esophagus started to hurt a bit when drinking hot lemon water (I can feel each sip running down the esophagus and arrive in the stomach, causing a brief sensation/discomfort). Also, I've suddenly developed heartburn issues; initially only upon ingesting ACV (and I've been using this since VLCD1) but now also around 2 hours after a meal, usually showing through acidic burps.

    2) I mentioned in other threads already that I'm self-medicating my hypothyroid condition, so I don't know if it's related to that. Around 3 weeks ago, I started with a combination of natural desiccated thyroid and T3 (Tiromel/Cytomel) in the morning. I'm following very loosely the 'circadian method' protocol whereby I split my dose and take the first bit around 3 hours before getting up (the other around noon). Sorry for the long-winded intro ... So, I started with a 1/4 tablet (6.25 mcg) of T3 in the morning (while reducing the NDT accordingly). This seemed to go well, hence I upped the T3 to 1/2 tablet (again, reducing NDT accordingly) after 2 weeks (last Thursday, 8/2). I could feel my heart pounding a bit faster but nothing major. However, 2 days later, last Sunday, my heart is beating terribly fast in the morning, and I'm feeling slightly lightheaded. In the afternoon, I'd just been outside for an hour, 1/2 hour later, I'm feeling even worse so I measure blood pressure and heart rate and it says BP 103/78 and HR 112! I got quite scared so I lied down and an hour later, the pulse had gone down to 86 (though BP went up lying?!). This hasn't repeated since but I'm worried of course that it might happen again.

    Now I have to mention that I came down with a stomach infection in late April. It started off early in the month and for the first 2 weeks I also thought I was having heart problems (irregular heartbeat, pounding, high resting pulse) before it made itself known as some stomach bug. The issues above do actually resemble this but obviously, I've been eating super-clean on hcg, no cheating etc. unlike in April/May where I eating very unhealthy food.

    Could I have somehow re-contracted a stomach virus? But how? Is it the hypo medication? Or, does the digestive discomfort indicate problems with the gallbladder, as Dr S mentioned?

    Also, what's the deal with the constant high resting pulse and how dangerous is this in the long run? Ever since April, I rarely get under 80 any more, even though my BP stays low, as always, somewhere between 98/65 to 114/85. - Actually, I'm just looking at my stats and see some funny numbers from 7/6: BP 97/69 HR 95 - isn't that weird or what?

    Barb, thanks for any ideas or advice you have!
    Why are you self medicating your thyroid? Do you have labs to support this action? You thyroid controls your metabolism and having too much hormone in your system can most definitely cause these problems although I would expect your blood pressure to be elevated by such a surplus. My advice is to be evaluated by physician. Your blood pressure and heart rate are not so bad 112 Bpm is a little fast but nerves, stress anxiety can easily cause this and the blood pressure is normal. Now that being said, if this is a normal occurance in the absence of stress or anxiety I would consult a physician for sure. I feel that if you are taking the thyroid hormones in the absence of medical care and/or supportive lab work then you are probably creating this problem by doing such. Side effects of cytomel include elevated heart rate and arrhythmia. Good luck!


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    Good morning Barb, I have a weird one for you. The other night I noticed a nickle size blister on my mound where the underwear sits. It was filled with a milky white puss but not a boil because when I removed the skin it was completely flat like a rub blister on a heel. I had two more this morning. Both about nickle size, no pit just a filled upper skin and flat when cleaned. Now my underwear was loose from the weight loss and I was waiting until done p2 to buy more. I have a few pairs that fit now, they were to tight. Do you think these could be from the underwear rubbing during my walks? At the time, I do not notice them rubbing. Thanks and sorry for the gross question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitri2779 View Post
    Why are you self medicating your thyroid? Do you have labs to support this action? You thyroid controls your metabolism and having too much hormone in your system can most definitely cause these problems although I would expect your blood pressure to be elevated by such a surplus. My advice is to be evaluated by physician. Your blood pressure and heart rate are not so bad 112 Bpm is a little fast but nerves, stress anxiety can easily cause this and the blood pressure is normal. Now that being said, if this is a normal occurance in the absence of stress or anxiety I would consult a physician for sure.
    Why am I self-diagnosing? At least then I know it's me who's ruining my health, not a stranger who pretends to know something and if not, can't even be held responsible. Unfortunately, we're not as advanced in the lawsuit culture as the US is, or perhaps doctors would be more on their toes!

    I was diagnosed with hypo in 1992 and according to a blood test in 2008, I have Hashimoto's. Been taking levothyroxine since and pretty much relied on doctors to tell me how much medication to take. All the mental and cognitive problems of the last 6 years, I also was led to believe were due to my having depression and anxiety. Strangely enough, nobody was ever able to tell me why I had phases of sudden and inexplicable mental clarity (I found out on my own this is an effect of Hashimoto's). I started my own research (not in as much detail as in 2012) into my symptoms in summer 2010 when all kinds of strange symptoms appeared out of the blue. It all pointed to hypothyroidism even though I was taking medication at the time. As the doc then just tried to get rid of me by saying all symptoms were anxiety (despite lack of specific life events), I upped my dose and felt improvements within 5 days. 6 weeks later I went to another doctor who monitored my thyroid function and was happy to leave me on that dose.

    Shame though that I had to change doctors again last year in November due to relocating. The first thing they do is check your blood when you tell them you take medication for hypo. The problem in the UK is that local labs have their own reference ranges rather than adhering to nationwide standard ranges. So, while I was living in Scotland which has a ref range from 0.3-3.5 miu/L, my meds were adjusted every time I went above 3.5. The lab where I live now uses 0.3-5.5 miu/L, so suddenly everybody with a TSH between 3.6 and 5.5 miu/L is NOT hypothyroid, even if all the symptoms are present!

    OK, I didn't know all that at the time. The blood test came back with suppressed TSH and the new doctor followed the suggestion by an anonymous lab technician to reduce the medication, even though I was trying to tell him that a year prior on that dose I had been feeling extremely poorly. But no luck. As a result, my TSH went back up to 4.58 miu/L within 8 weeks, I barely functioned, wanted to sleep all day, couldn't think, had massive joint and back pain, even walking hurt, basically, by early February my mental and physical wellbeing had completely deteriorated but the doctor wasn't willing to even discuss alternative reasons for this. Uh, then, around the same time, the medicines and healthcare products regulatory agency in the UK (MHRA, kinda the British FDA) withdrew a generic thyroid medication from the market with immediate effect. I was taking that medication and in my quest in finding out why I was feeling so poorly, I went to the doctor again with a print-out of the official press release, hoping I could get a different product which might possibly make me feel better. The doc refused to even listen to anything I had to say and didn't even glance at the information. Interestingly, the pharmacist next door knew about this and issued me with an emergency prescription as the doc would refuse to exchange my existing prescription for a new one. In the end, I had to get some kind of patient mediation service involved. I mean, it was a complete joke! Oh, and let's not forget the reason why I'm doing hcg: a weight gain of 22 lbs in only 4 months, as a result of forcing me into a hypothyroid state again.

    Obviously, knowledge of my blood test results I only gathered AFTER the fact, when I insisted on getting copies of them.

    Since March, I've been reading tons of books on hypothyroidism, am registered with several thyroid forums and subscribed to various websites with information about thyroid conditions. My last TFT panel (early July) was as described in Stop the Thyroid Madness, namely, with natural desiccated thyroid, it's common to have a suppressed TSH, free T4 should be in the upper range - which it was, and free T3, well, that gave a false reading because I didn't know they were doing the complete test on that day and so I took my medication before. On the other hand, while under the 'care' of aforementioned physicians, I had consistently low body temperature but again, it has been published in various scientific literature about hypothyroidism that measuring morning basal temperature was common long before introduction of the TSH test in the 1970s - and I'm also happy to report that my temps are finally up in a 'normal' range.

    I'm not saying I know exactly what I'm doing but the proof is that I'm feeling 200% better than last January, ever since I educated myself. I've since switched doctors again and provided the new one with a big binder of scientific studies that refute the unsubstantiated guidelines to treat hypothyroidism with T4 (levothyroxine) alone, and also that the aim is to treat the patient according to symptoms not try to squeeze them within a (disputable) reference range. Hence, my health is more or less monitored, sort of.

    This is perhaps more than you wanted to hear but this whole debacle is a really sore subject for me and I still get furious if I think about the 4 months I lost trusting in the competence of a medical professional. My mother died in December and I was in too much of a daze or trying to stay functional that I haven't had the chance to properly grief about my loss. And, after getting access to my medical records of the last 15 years, my anger actually goes much deeper seeing how little consideration was given to my thyroid disorder in favour of numbing me with anti-depressants and then wondering about the lack of improvement!

    Never missing an opportunity for a rant about the sad state of medical care in this country!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitri2779 View Post
    Why are you self medicating your thyroid?
    Now you wish you'd never brought it up, right? LOL
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    No I don't regret asking and I sympathize completely! I have been saying that I have hypothyroid for years but was within "normal limits". I am a senior in nursing school and know that there is a delicate balance with thyroid hormones and if you were taking medication needlessly that could be dangerous. I was actually wanting more info or I would not have asked. I was just diagnosed with hypo after 10 years of annual testing. My TSH is high and just barely within normal limits and my t3/t4 are low and barely within normal limits. I have what is called compensated hypothyroidism. Basically my TSH is released in abundance to keep my t3 and t4 within range creating a taxation on my system. Luckily I found a doctor who actually listened to my symptoms and compared them with my panel. By combining that information he was able to diagnose me. Here in the US they are just now changing the ranges and diagnostic criteria. So I understand. Do you have access to Armour thyroid? It is a natural thyroid hormone. I am on one grain (60mg). Perhaps your pharmacist could recommend a good physician?


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    I still believe that perhaps your dose could be too high. But with out lab values that can't be assessed properly. Can you get your own values to see if you have any anomalies in your free t3,t3/t4, TSH. I know there is a place here in the us where you can request labs. Grammy can tell you the name of the website but I don't know if they offer international services.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitri2779 View Post
    I still believe that perhaps your dose could be too high. But with out lab values that can't be assessed properly. Can you get your own values to see if you have any anomalies in your free t3,t3/t4, TSH. I know there is a place here in the us where you can request labs. Grammy can tell you the name of the website but I don't know if they offer international services.
    Oh, thanks for coming back and taking the time to respond Well, as I said, my last test was just a few weeks ago. I'm due to see the new doctor who's written me that she has looked through all the hypothyroid information I gave her and she's now ready to discuss further treatment with me. I think I'll get a blood test then.

    I am taking natural desiccated thyroid, unfortunately can't afford the Armour descendant Erfa, hence am buying Thyroid-S from Thailand which is getting positive reviews throughout all thyroid forums. I started 'playing' with T3 because I'm worried about another T4 built-up (high reverse T4) because that's what I think was going on at some point. The UK guidelines clearly favor treatment with synthetic T4 and having taken them for 20 years, I don't want to go back on it. There are currently a lot of cuts to the healthcare system going on, and the chances of getting this on a prescription are more than slim. I suppose I'd just be happy if the doctor lets me be and agrees to monitor my blood tests. But the last time she confessed that comprehensive thyroid tests (TSH/FT4/FT3/TPO-Ab/TgAB) are not in the budget and all that can be done is checking the TSH. Well, on NDT, the TSH is always suppressed giving the impression that you've become hyperthyroid but that's not true. Hence, such a test is for nothing. But I'm hopeful I'm getting a full one at least this time, we'll see.

    I'm taking an equivalent of my previous T4 dose of 175 mcg which is roughly 2.5 grains. I'm too old for silly risky stuff so I researched thoroughly for 2 months before I started to self-medicate. The UK thyroid specialist Dr. Peatfield has written a book with detailed instructions on what to look for regarding elimination of symptoms, measuring temperatures, blood pressure etc. I introduced and upped the dose very slowly, probably too slowly as I was feeling quite unwell for the first 4 weeks. But finally, late June, after roughly 10 weeks on NDT, the lights went finally back on in my head. I haven't felt that much mental clarity and positive attitude in YEARS! Seeing my medical records I realized also, that for 6 years, I was written off as a mental illness case rather than factoring in my thyroid condition as possible cause. I don't know what damage was done by neglecting my thyroid health for 6 years (this all changed when I moved to Scotland where they have a thyroid register and invite you for regular tests, they quickly asked me to increase my dose twice within 1.5 years whereas in those 6 years before there was no change to the medication at all). So, understandably I'm not willing to put my faith or trust in a doctor who can't demonstrate a certain competency in the field of thyroid disorders.

    Obviously, there are thyroid specialists here in the UK but as long as I can't afford private treatment, all I can go by is their advice published in books I'm consulting, plus the great community of hypothyroid people who share their knowledge and experience in the many support forums in the UK and US.

    Yes, I have all the addresses of private labs where I could have my own tests performed. I did an adrenal stress profile in February and it turned out that I have low cortisol midday, afternoon and evening, which is why I'm also trying to heal my adrenals with adrenal cortex. I hope this will be sufficient because self-treating with hydrocortisone is even a tad too scary for me!

    And btw, I have now copies of all my blood tests reaching back several years which I now know to interpret but the doctors requesting those didn't which is why nobody acted on them. It clearly shows that I was developing T4 conversion problems as the FT4 regularly increased and which is why all the hypothyroid problems came back. But because the entire medical training for hypothyroidism consists of checking whether the test result is in the pre-defined range it's clear that this could continue without intervention.
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    Well hopefully your doc will get you where you need to be! As I said I am only a student nurse with textbook knowledge, Good luck. Kats can surely shed more light on this for you than I can.


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    teutonica,

    I know how you feel, synthyroid has been hell for me. I switched to Armour and still made too much rt3 and hypo symptoms while my tsh could read 2.4. I am now on a straight T3 Cytomel, and I have been tested hyper but and that's a big but, I feel best slightly hyper and my doctor is not going to lower it. I have lowered my meds some while on the hcg. I trust very few doctors, they almost all go by lab ranges. Very few will test rt3 or even beyond tsh. I see no problem with you doing your own tests and treating your hypothyroid. Hell, the meds are over the counter in mexico. Make yourself feel good, don't rely on a doctor to get it right.
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    wwhispers - your story reads like a 1000 others I've heard and read since opening my eyes to the disgusting sub-standard in thyroid care worldwide! Until I joined several hypo forums I thought my problem was unique but nope, lots of similar stories. And endocrinologists seem to be even worse thanks to their arrogant attitudes. Funny story: I did get my first purchase of T3 from Mexico but just could not build up a tolerance on even a 1/4 tab. I had heard that failure to built tolerance to either Armour or T3 would indicate adrenal issues and I was worried about that. Then I saw some peeps in a forum report similar problems and some mentioned it had to do with a specific manufactured batch - when I checked my bottle, it turned out it was the same. So I ordered a different brand from Europe (you get them mostly on foreign bodybuilding sites where they sell T3 as a weight-loss pill ) and that really made all the difference. Yeah, I won't get my rT3 tested through my doctor, I'd have to pay myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitri2779 View Post
    Well hopefully your doc will get you where you need to be! As I said I am only a student nurse with textbook knowledge, Good luck. Kats can surely shed more light on this for you than I can.
    Thanks! The best thing my doc can do is not to muddle and make me feel worse, anyway, I won't let that happen. The only reason I let it get that far with the previous doc was that I thought he had the absolute power over my medication and hence my state of health. Thank god that's no longer the case!

    And sadly, the textbooks seem to lag totally behind. I've been reading tons of thyroid-related books and you would have thought they were relatively new so that's why this knowledge hasn't gone mainstream yet, but no, one of the books is from 1999, clearly outlining how low thyroid function that isn't treated will affect the entire hormonal system, leading to estrogen dominance, and adrenal exhaustion, among many other things. Hell, even a book about leptin from 2005 states various studies that demonstrated that leptin resistance directly causes low thyroid function. None of this is taught in medical schools. I bet my doc doesn't even know what leptin is, and that was discovered in 1995.
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    Hi! Haven't received an answer to my questions posed in message #12 and I have already another one

    Barb, you remember we talked about insulin resistance and tests for fasting insulin and a1c? Well, I found a lab testing for this (incl. cholesterol and c-reactive protein) and it's not too expensive, actually. Question: can I have this test done while on hcg or should I wait 'till P3?

    Thanks!
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