Thread: The Rogue HCG Saloon

Hey Kathryn ... I do appreciate what you wrote about expectations. I knew I'd be a slower loser going into this so I'm adjusting my attitude today I can't believe you stalled for 11 days! Wow, that puts things into perspective.

My job does involve a fair bit of social events. I sell life insurance for a financial institution so there's a lot of wining and dining so to speak. It's not everyday or anything but probably around once a week I have a challenge in that area.

Thanks for everyone else's thoughts on my food intake. You could be right. That said, I've spent the money putting my trust in the naturopath and I'm certainly doing everything he is telling me to do so I'll keep on this course and see what he says next week when we meet again.

Anyhow, home for lunch now. Making steak and greek salad.

Originally Posted by HeatherJen

Hi Everyone,

It's been a bit of a challenging week for me. I've just completed 4 full weeks of injections and am 2 days shy of doing 4 weeks of the VLCD (mind you it's 800 or less, not the 500 most of you are doing).

In all honesty, I don't think I have ever been so serious and disciplined about a diet before. I don't cheat. I had a half glass of red wine this weekend because I was away celebrating a friends birthday but my naturopath said that was okay to do (I checked beforehand) and I stayed well under the 800 calories. I also biked for 2 hours the very next day. I was very proud of myself for sticking to the program and while I didn't feel hungry I certainly had some feels of deprivation but they were outweighed by the fact that I looked and felt a lot better than I did a month ago.

That said, my scale doesn't seem to be budging. I've lost a total of approximately 13 pounds. For 4 weeks I don't think that's enough. Certainly not based on the low calorie/carb diet I've been keeping. The worst of it is that the last week I think I've maybe gone down 1.5 pounds. Max. And then there's TOM. Prior to this diet I had not had it for about 4 months. Other than the occasional few days of very light flow. Week #2 into the HCG injections it arrived and with a vengeance. Fortunately I don't get cramps much or a lot of the other problems that typically come during TOM but it was incredibly heavy and lasted almost 7 days, which is unheard of for me. So okay, I get through that, have a one week reprive and then back it comes! Week #2 and Week #4 of this program has been TOM. Which may or may not explain my slow weight loss. I don't know. I'm discouraged. My doc said that I could stop taking the injections and it would stop but I'm apprehensive to do this, fearing that my appetite could surge and I'll have lost all the ground I've worked so hard at.

And to top it all off, I've had sugar cravings which I almost never get, even when I'm not restricting calories! I can handle them but it's confusing.

Tonight I had to go to a company BBQ. I offered to bring Greek Salad because I knew I could eat that and had a chicken burger all on it's own. No point in torturing you all with the food that was there but it was quite a spread, none of which I felt comfortable eating. I ended up leaving early, slipping out so no one would notice, just because I was so discouraged that I was not only unable to enjoy the food like everyone else, but also because it felt like I can't seem to do enough to lose the weight I want to while everyone else around me is consuming alcohol, samosas, burgers, brownies, cupcakes ... blah blah blah. Kind of like damned if I do and damned if I don't!

Okay, I guess I'll stop complaining now. I'm sure you've all felt this at some time or another. It definitely sucks.

HeatherJen, I totally agree with the others. It's the type of food and not the calories. I added protein and although I didn't actually add up my cals, I know I was at about 800. I haven't looked back at your old posts but I do seem to remember your dr advising some foods I simply would not eat on P2. I went by the scale. Now mind you we are in the rogue saloon and that's where I did all 3 rounds. I knew adding protein would not be a problem and it wasn't. I lost better with higher protein. I found out what "cheating stuff" worked ok for me. I made condiments out of Hunt's tomato sauce, fff and nonfat cottage cheese. I used them to make the meals tolerable but I didn't drown the food in them either. I used my unsweetened almond milk and homemade jello too. I ate my 0 carb bread but sparingly. I tried other stuff and stalled or gained. If any of these gave me a problem, I would have stopped doing them. I ate mostly asparagus, broccoli and cauliflower. Yes 2 of those are not protocol foods. Write down every single thing you eat. If you gain or stall, you know something is a "bad" thing for you. I couldn't eat oranges at all and they are protocol. For some reason I lost better on beef then chicken or fish. None of them were bad but my losses were better on beef days. I don't care what the protocol or dr says. It's not just a one size fits all diet. You have to find out how you as an individual react to the different foods. Write it down each day and compare. Also don't forget to drink lots of water.

Originally Posted by hardee

HeatherJen, I totally agree with the others. It's the type of food and not the calories. I added protein and although I didn't actually add up my cals, I know I was at about 800. I haven't looked back at your old posts but I do seem to remember your dr advising some foods I simply would not eat on P2. I went by the scale. Now mine you we are in the rogue saloon and that's where I did all 3 rounds. I know adding protein would not be a problem and it wasn't. I lost better with higher protein. I found out what "cheating stuff" worked ok for me. I made condiments out of Hunt's tomato sauce, fff and nonfat cottage cheese. I used them to make the meals tolerable but I didn't drown the food in them either. I used my unsweetened almond milk and homemade jello too. I ate my 0 carb bread but sparingly. I tried other stuff and stalled or gained. If any of these gave me a problem, I would have stopped doing them. I ate mostly asparagus, broccoli and cauliflower. Yes 2 of those are not protocol foods. Write down every single thing you eat. If you gain or stall, you know something is a "bad" thing for you. I couldn't eat oranges at all and they are protocol. For some reason I lost better on beef then chicken or fish. None of them were bad but my losses were better on beef days. I don't care what the protocol or dr says. It's not just a one size fits all diet. You have to find out how you as an individual react to the different foods. Write it down each day and compare. Also don't forget to drink lots of water.

I stalled too and did a combo apple and steak day, lost two pounds immediately the next day. Try that....!

Hi all,

Nothing new to report keeping with P3 til Monday since I had the food at the restaurant on Tuesday although I was to be starting P4 on Thursday. Funny I don't really see myself going back to my old eating habits. I do want to have regular bread at times & maybe some pasta & rice occasionally but the carboverload I was in before...nope not going back there. My energy is down the last couple of days can't seem.to figure out why, just feeling tired and wanting to sleep way more than usual. Schools out for my kids so I'm hoping things will slow up a bit.

Hope you are sorting things out HeatherJen. Good luck to everyone . Lee where are u????

Kathryn

Hello all, just checking in....stalled again and hoping for a loss tomorrow....officially in size 16 top today!, down from size 20/22! Yay!

Hello, ladies. I've finally found a few minutes to join in the discussion. I've read the first 50 pages; pgs 600-671, and fast forwarded to the last few at the end. I think I know everyone!

I've finished two wonderful rounds with one simply awful one that I won't even count. It was R2. I had no business even starting it because I had been sick with flu and then other complications for a month. I didn't take enough time to heal. I did lose weight quickly but I starved the whole round and ended it on day 35 when I started a period. That was a surprise, I hadn't had one for eight years. I'm way past menopause. Between how I felt and discovering that, I just couldn't continue.

I never did stabilize and gained back 20 of the 25 lbs that I lost. It took my last round to get all that off and five more.

In the meantime, I read a lot of the Easter loaders thread, cycling, and of course the Rogue Saloon. I am rogue now, and this is what I do:

I use coconut oil on my face and under arms every day. I like mineral make up and it applies so beautifully over coconut oil, and I like to have protection for odor. I don't know if it has slowed my weight down. Who can ever tell for sure? I'm on D11 and I've lost 11.6lb. That's pretty much standard for me at this point of the round.

I eat more protein. Probably about 5-6oz per meal, twice a day.

I brush a small amount of coconut oil on my raw chicken or fish, add spices and herbs and then grill (chicken) or pan fry (fish). I also put crushed grissini stick on my fish for a little oomph.

I am down to eating only strawberries and grape tomatoes for my veg. I am so sick of everything else. I may add green beans back after this R2 and see how that goes. I may even put a little coconut oil on them and grill them as well.

That's all I can think of now, except for one bad thing. I just couldn't bring myself to eat dinner last night. Around 8:30, i was hungry, so I ate three heaping teaspoons of Smuckers Natural Peanut Butter/ Chunky. It.was.awesome. Those three teaspoons fill me up! Completely satiated, I drank some water and went to bed. When I weighed this morning, I was down .2 which is the lowest loss I've had this round.

I'll be done with injections on Saturday, and into P3 on Tuesday. I intend to do exactly what Hardee does (sorry, I've forgotten your first name). I do intend to be back in P3 on Sunday, June 30. I have lost 57 lbs, basically in 2 rounds. I'm intending to cycle 14/7 straight through to the end of August. If it goes according to plan, I will have lost another 30 (at least) lbs, which will get me very close to goal.

My name is Becky, and I'm hoping this board is active all summer long. You gals are doing so well! Thanks for having me.

Wow - I'm really surprised with the coconut oil and losses! I've seen mixed reviews. I'm doing a 3rd round, started two days ago.... Check out my rogue style:

1.) I didn't load at all...I can deal with hunger, and I think gaining weight just to lose it is annoying.
2.) I use HHCG. I was too impatient to get the real stuff - and I did my first two rounds on homeopathic as well.
3.) I'm only doing 2 weeks of VLCD. I want to drop a quick 5-7 lbs, and I have some events coming up.
4,) I haven't yet, but I plan to drink vodka on the weekends. I live in Vegas...
5.) I'm not measuring anything - I'm just eying it and I err on the side of extra protein.

I'd love to try the coconut oil, but since I'm only doing two weeks, I don't want to risk it...