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    Digestive Enzymes versus Pro-biotics?

    Hello!

    So my doctor suggested to me to do the probiotics to help with digestive issues and overall immune system. At other times, I saw people post on here they take digestive enzymes to help them digest certain categories of food that would have caused issues such as bloating/water retention, sensitivities, etc. Is there really a difference between the two when it comes to digesting food then since they both seem to help out with digestion? Is there one better than the other when you are trying to do P3 and P4 or is it okay to take them both? Or is taking them both redundant?? Which one do you prefer to help out with digestion and truly counteract any intolerances or sensitivities?

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    There is a big difference between digestive enzymes and probiotics. Digestive enzymes are usually specific to certain foods and may or may not survive your stomach acid and digestive process. Probiotics are in fact bacteria that are "normal" to the digestive tract but may be in short supply due to many things in our lives that reduce bacteria in the gut, e.g., antibotics or poor eating habits...too many carbs., eating "sterile foods" for too long, etc. Probiotics allow the "good" bacteria to thrive in your gut and they do the heavy lifting of food metabolism. Our digestive systems do not do a good job of digesting certain types of food like cellulose-containing items (vegetables, high-fiber foods like beans and certain sugars and sugar alcohols. The bacteria in your gut are actually doing the bulk of the digestive work and the body absorbs what they break down. Otherwise, it would tend to sit and slowly pass through the gut with very little digestion and without removing the nutrients we need to be healthy.

    So basically, unless you have a very specific digestive issue in your upper bowel with certain foods; I would go with the probiotics. They will do a lot more for you in the long run.


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    Thank you so much for your post!! Very informative! Truly appreciate it ^_^
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    People who have reached the half century mark, will more than likely benefit from digestive enzymes because our stomachs are lacking from the aging process and poor lifestyle living. If you are lacking in stomach acid, food is not being properly digested, especially protein. Undigested protein dumped into the small intestine will, overtime, cause leaky gut syndrome and then not only do you suffer from poor digestion but also intestinal ailments. Over time, poor stomach acid shows up as tiny broken blood vessels on cheeks and nose (causing a flushed look, also a sign of food sensitivities).

    Don't take probiotics if you are having intestinal issues and suspect leaky gut. It will make things worse. Probiotics will not heal leaky gut syndrome and the intestinal issues leaky gut causes. In that case, add in a digestive enzyme and L Glutamine powder. Put 1 t of powder in some water 30 min before each meal and before bedtime. L Glutamine powder (must say free form) is the best way to heal the small intestine. Leaky gut takes time to heal. Make sure you are eating nutrient dense foods, taking good quality supps and avoiding toxins.

    One sign of leaky gut are food allergies/sensitivities. Also, having to do a fast tango to make it to the bathroom, bloating, gas, etc. Cut out all gluten and dairy for sure while having issues. Gluten is too hard on healing the small intestine and will undo all the good you are doing. Dairy protein, casein, just beats up the small intestine even more. These two are biggies and at the top of the sensitivity list leading to leaky gut. I'm seeing more and more younger people having these issues where it used to be a senior thing because of poor life style choices.

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    I always suggest taking probiotics. It GREATLY helped my leaky gut. I healed my leaky gut by killing candida and taking huge doses of probiotics, 50 billion units a day. I am never without my probiotics. I've taken them for about 15 years now. It was the first thing the doctor put my mother on after a bout of C-diff too. I've never heard anyone say they will worsen gut issues.

    But they won't help digestive issues in the stomach. You need digestive enzymes for that. These are the ones I take, specially formulated by my holistic doctor. http://www.amazon.com/Enzyme-Spectru...estive+enzymes
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    Which brand of probiotics do you recommend? I've been using Xymogen, I bought from the hog doctor who I'm no longer going to, about to run out and would like to buy more. Would the digestive enzymes also help with my lactose intolerance??

    Thank you!

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    I always suggest taking probiotics. It GREATLY helped my leaky gut. I healed my leaky gut by killing candida and taking huge doses of probiotics, 50 billion units a day. I am never without my probiotics. I've taken them for about 15 years now. It was the first thing the doctor put my mother on after a bout of C-diff too. I've never heard anyone say they will worsen gut issues.

    But they won't help digestive issues in the stomach. You need digestive enzymes for that. These are the ones I take, specially formulated by my holistic doctor. http://www.amazon.com/Enzyme-Spectru...estive+enzymes

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    These are the ones I've been taking a while now. http://www.amazon.com/Flora-Choice-H...probiotics+udo
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    Here's the latest research for healing the small intestine regarding L Glutamine powder which is far more effective than a probiotic at healing vs maintaining healthy bacteria levels:

    Digestion
    • Glutamine heals the small intestine better than anything else
    • Modulates stomach acid. If it’s low, glutamine raises it; if it’s high, glutamine lowers it. If I get heartburn, a teaspoon of glutamine in a glass of water makes it go away–and gives me a little energy boost, too
    • Helps fight against out-of-control candida
    • Treats celiac disease, colitis, Crohn’s disease and diarrhea
    • Prevents gastrointestinal damage from chemotherapy
    • Reduces the effects of pancreatitis

    So digestive enzymes to help digest protein, L Glutamine powder to heal the small intestine and then if you still feel the need after eating a nutrient dense diet, good quality supps and lowering toxic load ad in a probiotic if you still see the necessity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn View Post
    Here's the latest research for healing the small intestine regarding L Glutamine powder which is far more effective than a probiotic at healing vs maintaining healthy bacteria levels:

    Digestion
    • Glutamine heals the small intestine better than anything else
    • Modulates stomach acid. If it’s low, glutamine raises it; if it’s high, glutamine lowers it. If I get heartburn, a teaspoon of glutamine in a glass of water makes it go away–and gives me a little energy boost, too
    • Helps fight against out-of-control candida
    • Treats celiac disease, colitis, Crohn’s disease and diarrhea
    • Prevents gastrointestinal damage from chemotherapy
    • Reduces the effects of pancreatitis

    So digestive enzymes to help digest protein, L Glutamine powder to heal the small intestine and then if you still feel the need after eating a nutrient dense diet, good quality supps and lowering toxic load ad in a probiotic if you still see the necessity
    Would you mind posting a link to your referenced research on L glutamine? That way folks can read for themselves who is saying what and what their qualifications are relative to the research.

    Thank you


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    Thanks, I'll give them a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by grammy1952 View Post
    These are the ones I've been taking a while now. http://www.amazon.com/Flora-Choice-H...probiotics+udo

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    Thanks everyone for all the information! I looked up L-Glutamine on some of those issues. A lot of websites do say it is helpful for celiac disease, colitis and Crohn’s disease. But when I looked up for the acid reflux part, this is what LivingStrong mentioned,

    There is no scientific evidence to suggest that glutamine -- or any other amino acid -- significantly impacts acid reflux either positively or negatively. In part, this is because you don't consume glutamine in quantities sufficient to make a difference if you're taking a supplement. In protein -- as in meat or eggs, for instance -- the glutamine has reacted chemically to form the protein and isn't acidic enough to have an impact, even if you consume it in large quantity.

    But that is only one source. Other websites say that people have used it and it works. So I guess, try it on your own and see what it does for your own experience.

    Thanks again for all the tips. I think I will give L-Glutamine a shot and see how it goes.
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    Grammy do you take l-carnitine as well or do you recommend it?
    Thanks!

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