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    Gained 4 lbs and only lost 1 on steak day

    Yep. Just Started P3. Ate to hunger, and my calories ended up being between 2200 and 2400 on the first 2 days. This is my third P3/third consecutive hcg round. The first round I stabilized really well eating around 2500 calories. I weighed 205. Second round I stabilized eating between 2300 and 2400. I weighed 187. This round Iím trying to stabilize around 172..so maybe 2200-2400 is just too many calories. I was trying to eat to hunger but maybe Iím not in tune enough. Ate all the stuff I usually eat on P3. My first week is always very volatile, but Iíve never gained this much so quickly, and a steak day has never worked so poorly. Only a 1.2 loss. So the morning after my steak day, I am still over 2 lbs above my LDW. So not sure how to proceed. Just start eating closer to 2000-2100 and see if weight slowly corrects? I am 5í8Ē btw. Thanks for any and all advice.

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    A gain that large might be due to TOM or could point to a food sensitivity. It is not uncommon to suddenly react to something that you have been fine with before. Did you have any identifiable reactions over the last 2 days such as bloating, gastric issues, sudden constipation, headache, fatigue, or histamine (respiratory allergy) type responses? That would be a clue that a food is a problem.

    The most common culprits are dairy, hard cheese, eggs and nuts.

    As for what to do next, you can't do another steak day until you've had at least 4 days of regular eating. So what you can do for now is simplify your menu to whole foods and good fats for the next few days, leaving out the common problems and anything else you suspect might be an issue. It is quite possible that will be enough of a change to bring the scale back down out of the red zone.

    Also, sometimes you lose a bit more the day after the steak day, so you might see some loss tomorrow just from that.

    Rather than control calories, try to tune in better to your hunger/satisfaction signals. As you assess your eating to hunger, try to stop at the satisfaction point, not the full point. Once you actually start to feel full, you've passed the satisfaction point. This is sometimes a fine line and takes practice to figure out. P3 is the perfect time to practice this as your hunger signals will be the clearest after weeks of basically an elimination diet. So influences of chemicals and sugar are not muddying the waters.
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    Thanks, Leez. I always suffer severe constipation during P2. I had not had a BM in 22 days. Yes 22. I finally went on my actual steak day. So, as you can imagine, with finally going and doing a steak day, I expected a fairly substantial loss the next morning...which made the 1.2 even more shocking. I went again this morning, so maybe that will continue to help some. I looked back over what I ate on prior P3s and realized I never had nuts. But I ate some almonds this time. So maybe it was those. I won’t partake today and see what happens. Thanks for your response and advice. I always very much appreciate it.

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    I don't feel qualified to address lots of this, but KC almonds on P3 often lead to gain for me. Not sure if it is the almonds, or lack of portion control when eating them. So these past p3's or Planned Interruptions where I have stablized so well, chose not to add almonds to diet. Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbles View Post
    I don't feel qualified to address lots of this, but KC almonds on P3 often lead to gain for me. Not sure if it is the almonds, or lack of portion control when eating them. So these past p3's or Planned Interruptions where I have stablized so well, chose not to add almonds to diet. Just a thought.
    Thanks, Dubs. Yea, I ate 11 almonds on both days. So, not a ton..but I guess enough if I am indeed sensitive to them. Thanks for your input! I definitely will not be eating any for the next few days.

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    Even though you've started to get some relief, try adding or increasing your magnesium and vitaminC intake until your bowels loosen up and your stools are soft again.

    The way food reaction constipation manifests for me is that I will be eliminating normally in the morning, then a couple hours after eating a problem food, I will be completely constipated. Its that fast. It can work the same way if your body responds with diarrhea instead.
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    I gained another 2.2lbs overnight. And I ate less yesterday. 2100. I’m freaking out. All my hard work going down the drain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc26 View Post
    I gained another 2.2lbs overnight. And I ate less yesterday. 2100. I’m freaking out. All my hard work going down the drain.
    You really need to start tracking what you are eating and determining patterns on your "big gain days"

    For me, if I eat sensitive foods, combine the wrong foods, or have too much fat I can go up this much on P3. Post what you ate yesterday, and it might give us a possible clue to help.
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    Ok, here it all is:

    LDW: 172.2
    P3 Day 1: Weight 171.2
    - pork rinds (1oz)
    - burrata cheese (2.6oz) with 1tsp olive oil
    - Lily’s sugar free dark chocolate covered almonds (1oz)
    - lamb shoulder round bone chop (8oz) with 2oz guacamole
    - 1 homemade chocolate chip cookie dough fat bomb (approx 140 cals)
    Total day calories: 1300

    P3 Day 2: Weight 172
    Breakfast - 1 homemade keto bagel (contains almond flour, mozzarella, cream cheese) (250 cals)
    - 1 tbs whipped cream cheese
    - 2 eggs fried in 1/2 tsp olive oil
    Lunch - chicken salad with grapes and pecans (1/2 cup)
    - plantain chips (1oz)
    Dinner. - lamb shoulder round bone chop (8.8oz)
    - 2 oz guacamole
    Snacks - pork rinds (1oz)
    - burrata (2.5 oz) with 1tsp olive oil
    - 3 homemade chocolate chip cookie dough fat bombs
    Total daily calories: 2391

    P3 Day 3: Weight 173.6
    Breakfast - Same as previous day
    Lunch - Same as previous day
    Dinner - Tofu Shirataki Spaghetti (1 bag/20 cal)
    - pancetta (2oz)
    - parmesian cheese (1oz)
    - 1 egg
    - 1 tsp olive oil
    Snacks - chicken skin chips (1oz)
    - 4 jalepeno poppers (total of 4 jalepenos, 2 slices of bacon, 40g of cream cheese
    - Lily’s dark chocolate covered almonds (1.3oz)
    - 3 homemade chocolate chip cookie dough fat bombs
    Total Calories: 2260

    P3 Day 4: Weight 175.6
    Steak Day - Ate 12oz ribeye at 6pm

    P3 Day 5: Weight 174.4
    Breakfast - same as previous (before steak day)
    Lunch - same as previous (before steak day)
    Dinner - same as P3 Day 3 (shiratake tofu etc)
    Snacks - 2 slices prosciutto
    - 1oz brie
    - pork rinds (1oz)
    - 3 homemaker chocolates chip cookie dough fat bombs
    Total calories: 2140

    P3 Day 6: Weight 176.6
    Breakfast- same as previous
    Lunch - same as previous
    Dinner - lamb shoulder round bone chop (12.5oz)
    - 2 oz guacamole
    Snacks - pork rinds (1oz)
    - Lily’s dark chocolate covered almonds (1oz)
    Total calories: 2112

    P3 Day 7 (today): Weight 177.2
    Breakfast- same as previous
    Lunch - chicken salad (no pecans or grapes)
    - plantain chips (1oz)


    I’m at my whit’s end. Up 5lbs. Never any issue on past P3s!

    Thanks for reviewing.

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    It looks to me like you need to get your elimination moving.

    My first observation is that there is nothing there to help your gut process all the fats and proteins. Where are the vegetables and fruits? I only see a few grapes. You need some vegetables to bulk things up and help move them through. Not eating vegetables is going to contribute to constipation issues, which in turn, causes weight to rise. If you don't like eating them, blending them into smoothies is an option.

    The shiritaki noodles are mainly fiber, which can exacerbate existing constipation issues, again, retaining water which causes the scale to rise.

    The only carbs I see are the few grapes and the carbs from dairy & plantain chips. P3 is not about being super low carb.

    You might try avoiding dairy and nuts for a few days and see if that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    It looks to me like you need to get your elimination moving.

    My first observation is that there is nothing there to help your gut process all the fats and proteins. Where are the vegetables and fruits? I only see a few grapes. You need some vegetables to bulk things up and help move them through. Not eating vegetables is going to contribute to constipation issues, which in turn, causes weight to rise. If you don't like eating them, blending them into smoothies is an option.

    The shiritaki noodles are mainly fiber, which can exacerbate existing constipation issues, again, retaining water which causes the scale to rise.

    The only carbs I see are the few grapes and the carbs from dairy & plantain chips. P3 is not about being super low carb.

    You might try avoiding dairy and nuts for a few days and see if that helps.
    I’m feeling hopeless. Even on a day I went to the bathroom once and another day twice, I gained weight the next morning. I mean, 5lbs in one week? My clothes are all tighter too. Am I gaining fat or just water?

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    It has to be water. You haven't eaten 17,000 more calories than you've burned, and that's what it would take to gain 5 pounds of fat.

    Until you are going soft several times a day, you are actually still constipated.

    So, it's counter-intuitive, but water chases water. Especially if the water is hydrating. Adding pink salt helps water hydrate your tissues better so that your body will release extra.

    You might try grammy's inflammation smoothie. That has diuretic properties that can help you drop some water. You can add some cilantro to it for an extra diuretic/detox kick. Use the smoothie as either your first or last meal of the day.

    1 cup water, 1/2 cucumber, 2 stalks celery, 1 lime peeled, 1" knob fresh ginger. Blend together with water in a high end blender and down it.
    A detox bath is another option...the one that uses ginger to help you sweat.

    Something like 1/2 C each baking soda, epsom salts, sea salt plus 2 oz ginger. Hot as you can stand, soak for 20 minutes before letting water cool. Wrap up in a terry robe and lay down until you stop sweating. Drink some water during the bath and be careful getting out, the detox can make you light-headed.
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