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    Going Keto for phase 3

    From what I understand, phase 3 is about stabilizing your weight from phase 2. It looks to be low carb, high protein and fat. That's exactly what Keto is. Could you follow a Keto plan for phase 3?
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    You could, but it is unnecessarily restrictive. And not something you would want to do long-term as keto will eventually affect your thyroid and adrenals. Men seem to be able to stay on it long-term, but women get into hormonal problems much quicker.
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    Well I can definitely say my husband definitely doesn't want me to be hormonal! Haha
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    Try to trust the protocol. Its very tempting to try to do something to make it more "effective" or "safer", but in the end those strategies often fail and you end up wondering why others sail through P3 and you had such a hard time.

    Enjoy P3. Eat what you like of meats, good fats, non-starchy veggies and fruit, and eat enough to be satisfied. You'll be amazed at how much good stuff you can enjoy in P3. The 4 iffy things (that are common food sensitivities) are eggs, dairy, nuts and cheese. You can test those one at a time with 3 days in between, or you can just go for it and sort it out if you have a problem. A lot of people don't test in P3 and do just fine, especially on the first round.

    This is about normal eating, normal amounts, and normal mealtimes. You don't have to fat-load, although its helpful to be somewhat higher fat the first few days when your capacity is low. Fat calories are much lower volume foods, so that can help you be more comfortable as you get your calories up and your digestion used to more food in a day.

    People seem to worry the most about the fruit. Just be sensible, and try not to eat a dozen apples in one day, for instance. You'll find your level. It might be one fruit a day, or it might be five. Some only eat berries in P3, but I encourage you to not be afraid of fruit and just see how your body handles it. No fresh fruit is forbidden in P3. Even bananas are fine, you are just cautioned to be careful with eating too many.
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    i've tried a keto diet several times but I always end up with trashed adrenals. Your adrenals and thyroid need some carbs to operate at their best. A keto diet cuts carbs really drastically, and while it seems great for a while, you can eventually start gaining weight with no way to stop it. And you feel fatigued and crappy.
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    ...you can eventually start gaining weight with no way to stop it. And you feel fatigued and crappy.
    This totally happened to me when I was trying to lose weight on protein-only diets. Basically Keto, only they didn't call it that back then. But those diets do talk about putting you in ketosis as a good thing. Did I blame the diet? Of course not. I was convinced that I failed because I was somehow defective.

    I'm not that naive anymore, thankfully. When you put your body in an unnatural state, it causes stress that is going to have consequences. If not immediately, then further down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmrowe1 View Post
    From what I understand, phase 3 is about stabilizing your weight from phase 2. It looks to be low carb, high protein and fat. That's exactly what Keto is. Could you follow a Keto plan for phase 3?
    I was thinking the same thing. I eat keto now but am not losing any weight (have been keto for over a year) - isn't P3 basically the exact thing as keto - high fat, low carb? What's the main difference?

    Would love Grammy's insight - but it's been years since I've been on the boards and can't remember how to tag people!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by yayhowfun View Post
    I was thinking the same thing. I eat keto now but am not losing any weight (have been keto for over a year) - isn't P3 basically the exact thing as keto - high fat, low carb? What's the main difference?

    Would love Grammy's insight - but it's been years since I've been on the boards and can't remember how to tag people!!
    P3is not keto at all. I eat at least two fruits a day...not keto.. plenty of veggies and good proteins and fats. Only thing is starchy veggies are not permitted till p4. If you can stabilize with fruits veggies protein and fats then why change it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Try to trust the protocol. Its very tempting to try to do something to make it more "effective" or "safer", but in the end those strategies often fail and you end up wondering why others sail through P3 and you had such a hard time.

    Enjoy P3. Eat what you like of meats, good fats, non-starchy veggies and fruit, and eat enough to be satisfied. You'll be amazed at how much good stuff you can enjoy in P3. The 4 iffy things (that are common food sensitivities) are eggs, dairy, nuts and cheese. You can test those one at a time with 3 days in between, or you can just go for it and sort it out if you have a problem. A lot of people don't test in P3 and do just fine, especially on the first round.

    This is about normal eating, normal amounts, and normal mealtimes. You don't have to fat-load, although its helpful to be somewhat higher fat the first few days when your capacity is low. Fat calories are much lower volume foods, so that can help you be more comfortable as you get your calories up and your digestion used to more food in a day.

    People seem to worry the most about the fruit. Just be sensible, and try not to eat a dozen apples in one day, for instance. You'll find your level. It might be one fruit a day, or it might be five. Some only eat berries in P3, but I encourage you to not be afraid of fruit and just see how your body handles it. No fresh fruit is forbidden in P3. Even bananas are fine, you are just cautioned to be careful with eating too many.
    Quote Originally Posted by roselanoue View Post
    P3is not keto at all. I eat at least two fruits a day...not keto.. plenty of veggies and good proteins and fats. Only thing is starchy veggies are not permitted till p4. If you can stabilize with fruits veggies protein and fats then why change it?
    The original protocol says no sugar or starch...but fruit is sugar...and he even says "be careful with very sweet fruit."

    Here's an excerpt:
    "During this period patients must realize that the so-called carbohydrates, that is sugar, rice, bread, potatoes, pastries etc, are by far the most dangerous. If no carbohydrates whatsoever are eaten, fats can be indulged in somewhat more liberally and even small quantities of alcohol, such as a glass of wine with meals, does no harm, but as soon as fats and starch are combined things are very liable to get out of hand. This has to be observed very carefully during the first 3 weeks after the treatment is ended otherwise disappointments are almost sure to occur."

    Keto is just fat and protein, with low carb vegetables. You can also have low sugar fruits like strawberries.

    To answer your question - the reason I want to do keto for P3 is because going keto has brought down inflammation in my body significantly, my allergies (which were previously AWFUL) have completely gone away and I no longer get panic attacks. These are two huge NSV's for me. My skin is also clear and my eczema has gone away. Also, I have a lot of food intolerances to many vegetables, I bloat like a house almost immediately when I eat anything other than spinach or lettuce - and a few other veg, so my daily intake is very low anyway.


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    Actually keto is not just low carb. It's high fat. True keto limit protein as well. Just be careful. I have seen SO MANY women derailed by keto. It can affect your adrenals which affects your thyroid then all at once the person starts gaining weight and can't stop. It's okay for short term but for many women it's very problematic long term. You can do paleo without going keto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmrowe1 View Post
    From what I understand, phase 3 is about stabilizing your weight from phase 2. It looks to be low carb, high protein and fat. That's exactly what Keto is. Could you follow a Keto plan for phase 3?
    FYI the keto diet is not a high protein diet. Itís high healthy fats moderate protein and low carb

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    Too much protein can raise insulin levels
    On a low carb or keto diet you do not want too much protein

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