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    Phase 3 information

    PHASE 3

    - The three weeks of strict P3 must be done because the ultimate purpose of P3 is to RESET and lock-in your new base weight (the weight you recorded as your LIW). If you fail to follow the protocol during these weeks, your experience when you begin adding back other foods in P4 WILL be to regain weight up to your former base weight (the weight you were before you began using the HCG protocol or the level you set on the previous round).

    Day of Last Injection:
    - MUST follow exactly the Phase 2 very low calorie diet on the last injection day and for the next 72 hours (not days). Be sure to record your last injection weight (LIW).
    - Begin counting the 72 hours from the time of the last injection.
    - You continue to follow the low calorie food program because your body is flooded with HCG and it should take about 72 hours for it to leave the body. If you are weak or hungry, you may eat a bit more protein but no extra fruit or breadsticks.

    - Lasts for three weeks and begins 72 hours after the last HCG injection.
    - You eat normally with the exception of no sugar and no starch. Continue to drink plenty of water daily.
    - During this period, the so-called carbohydrates, that is sugar, rice, bread, potatoes, pastries, etc., are by far the most dangerous. If no carbohydrates whatsoever are eaten, fats can be indulged in somewhat more liberally. As soon as fats and starch are combined, things are very liable to get out of hand. This has to be observed very carefully during the first 3 weeks after the treatment is ended, otherwise, disappointments are almost sure to occur.
    - The goal of Phase 3 is to maintain your new weight loss, not to lose more weight. Do not gain or lose more than 2 lbs. from your LIW. This is important because the hypothalamus is being reset, as is the body’s “base weight”, and any weight loss during this time frame is at the expense of normal fat which is easily regained later.
    - Weigh yourself daily as it takes about three weeks before the weight reached at the end of the Phase 2 treatment becomes stable (ex. does not show violent fluctuations after an occasional excess).
    - When additional courses of HCG injections are needed, the three week maintenance period of Phase 3 is ALWAYS followed by the beginning three weeks of Phase 4 when sugar and starch are slowly added (this second set of three weeks is now commonly known as the beginning maintenance weeks of Phase 4).
    - The maintenance interval between Phase 2 courses increases incrementally as Phase 4 becomes increasingly longer with each additional HCG course because there is a possibility of developing immunity to HCG. This interval permits the HCG to become fully effective again:
    Round 1: 6 week break (3 weeks of P3 and 3 weeks of P4)
    Round 2 : 8 week break (3 weeks of P3 and 5 weeks of P4)
    Round 3: 12 week break (3 weeks of P3 and 9 weeks of P4)
    Round 4: 20 week break (3 weeks of P3 and 17 weeks of P4)

    1) Not eating enough food, especially protein – you should be eating a minimum of 1500 calories. In general, we do not encourage counting calories, but if you are a lifetime dieter, you may try to keep eating too little to avoid gaining back the weight you just lost. This is a major, common mistake. In these circumstances we encourage someone to add up the calories to make sure they are eating enough (not to limit what they are eating). According to Dr. Simeons, HCG is releasing 1500 to 4000 calories into your system and you are eating another 500 calories, so theoretically your system has been revved up to handle 2000-4500 calories PER DAY. You can see how going into the maintenance phase and ‘cutting back’ to 800 or 1200 would send your body back into the ‘grab everything and hold on to its starvation mode.
    2) Eating sugars and starches (intentionally or not).
    3) Staying on the 500 calories diet a little too long.

    Important Information:
    - Protein need not be watched carefully, while dairy and higher carbohydrate fruits and vegetables should be watched very carefully. Unless an adequate amount of protein is eaten as soon as the Phase 2 treatment is over, protein deficiency is bound to develop, and this inevitably causes the marked retention of water known as hunger-edema. A protein deficient diet makes the body retain water. The treatment for hunger-edema is simple. Eat two eggs for breakfast and a huge steak for lunch and dinner followed by a large helping of cheese. When this treatment is followed, 2 lbs. can vanish overnight, the swollen ankles are normal but sleep was disturbed, owing to an extraordinary need to pass large quantities of water.
    - You should never gain more than 2 lbs. without immediately correcting this, but it is equally undesirable that more than 2 lbs. be lost after treatment because a greater loss is always achieved at the expense of normal fat. Any normal fat that is lost is invariably regained as soon as more food is taken, and it often appears that this rebound overshoots the 2 lb. maximum limit.
    - If you are losing weight, then increase your vegetable consumption. Add back green beans, broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, and other low glycemic veggies.
    - You must weigh everyday to make sure you have not gained more than 2 pounds since your last injection weight date. After a course of HCG, as much as 10 lbs. can be regained without any noticeable change in the fit of clothes. This occurs because you have lost pounds and inches. After treatment, newly acquired fat is at first evenly distributed and does not show the former preference for certain parts of the body.
    - it’s a good idea to keep a close eye on your reaction foods. Even if you have never had difficulty with certain foods, it's possible that the ability of a person’s body to handle certain foods at certain times may change depending on how much fatty tissue is left.

    Steak day:
    - As long as the weight stays within two pounds of the weight reached on the day of the last injection, one should take no notice of any increase. However, the moment the scale goes beyond 2 lbs., even if this is only a few ounces, they must on that same day entirely skip breakfast and lunch but take plenty to drink. In the evening, they must eat a huge steak with only an apple or a raw tomato. This rule applies only to the morning weight. It is of the utmost importance that this be done on the same day as the scale registered an increase of more than two pounds from the weight you achieved on the last injection day. You must NOT postpone this protocol until the next day.
    - If you see a Steak Day drawing near, you can do the following, which will usually bring your weight down a pound or so the next day:
    1) Drink lots of water that day
    2) Have a whole can of tuna (water packed), or chicken with mayo on either lettuce or celery for lunch
    3) Have a big portion of protein for dinner with a small salad and carbohydrate dressing (ex. Ranch)

    - Most patients hardly ever need to skip a meal. If they have eaten a heavy lunch they feel no desire to eat dinner, and in this case no increase in weight takes place. If they keep their weight at the point reached at the end of Phase 2, even a heavy dinner does not bring about an increase of two pounds on the next morning and does not, therefore, call for any special measures.
    - Most patients are surprised how small their appetite has become and yet how much they can eat without gaining weight. They no longer suffer from an abnormal appetite and feel satisfied with much less food than before. In fact, they are usually disappointed that they cannot manage their first normal meal after completing Phase 2, which they have been planning for weeks.
    - Beware of over enthusiasm. When doing the maintenance interval, some people cannot believe that they can eat fairly normally without regaining weight. They disregard the advice to eat anything they please except sugar and starch (only eliminated during Phase 3) and they want to play it safe. They try more or less to continue the 500-Calorie diet and make only minor variations. To their horror, they find their weight goes up.
    - Though a person can only consider oneself really cured when reduced to the statistically normal weight, we do not insist on commitment to that extent. Even a partial loss of overweight is highly beneficial.

    - After your goal weight is reached, complete Phase 3 followed by the beginning three weeks of Phase 4 maintenance which is when you SLOWLY begin to add back in sugar and starch as you follow the requirement not to gain or lose more than 2 lbs. from your LIW. Weight is always controlled by morning weighing after emptying the bladder. Going forward ‘SLOWLY’ is the key word to success. Afterward, you stay on Phase 4 for the rest of your life.

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    So helpful ... I took my last drops this morning, perfect timing!

    LDW 10/23/11: 160.6 (only .6 away from my goal!)
    Total Lost R1/P2 (30 days): -21.4 lbs!

    R2/P2 -
    Loading Day 1: 158.6
    Loading Day 2: 158.8
    VLCD Week 1: 150.6 (-8.2 lb)
    VLCD Week 2: 146.6 (-3.2 lb)
    VLCD Week 3: 144.8 (-1.8 lb)
    VLCD Week 4: 140.6 (-4.2 lb)
    VLCD Day 28: 140.6
    VLCD Day 29: 140.6
    VLCD Day 30: 140.2
    VLCD Day 31: 139.6 - Last Dose Weight

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    On a low carb diet, the main goal is to avoid raising blood glucose too much. This is why we avoid foods which are high in sugars and starches. But it turns out that not all starches are created equal. Some starches are digested very quickly, and cause a rapid and large rise in blood sugar. Others are digested more slowly, causing blood glucose to rise less and over a longer period of time. And some starch, called resistant starch, is not digested in the small intestine at all, and so causes little or no blood sugar rise. The larger the percentage of rapidly-digested starch in a starchy food, the higher the glycemic index of that food.

    What is starch?

    Starches are long complex chains of simple sugars. This is why they are often called “complex carbohydrates”. It was once thought that complex carbohydrates do not raise blood sugar as quickly or as much as sugars, but now we know that some starches are actually more glycemic than some sugars. In this sense, they are not “complex” for very long at all. People who are sensitive to sugar should avoid most starchy foods as well, since most starchy foods are rapidly broken down into sugar.

    Which foods have a lot of starch?
    Grains (wheat, rice, barley, oats), potatoes, corn, and beans are all very starchy foods. Grains are made into bread, cereal and pasta, as well as crackers, biscuits, cookies, cakes, pie crust, and anything else made with flour.

    What determines whether starches are digested rapidly or slowly?
    There are several factors at work:
    What is done to the starch before we eat it. Particularly when it comes to grains (and especially wheat), we have a tendency to grind it, puff it, flake it, roll it, and generally beat it into submission so we can form it into any number of processed foods. This has the effect of doing some of the work of our digestive systems before the food even goes into our mouths. It’s really no wonder that these foods are turned into sugar so efficiently within minutes of being in our bodies. The starches that are most rapidly digested are those made from flour (including whole grain flour) and most breakfast cereals.

    On the other hand, if grains or legumes remain whole, such as beans, brown rice or whole barley, the starch is broken down into sugars much more slowly, and some never is turned into sugar at all, but reaches the large intestine intact – this is called resistant starch.

    Starch Structure. Different kinds of starch have different arrangements of molecules, and some are easier for our digestive enzymes to get at than others. One kind of starch, called amylose, is broken down quite slowly. The higher the amount of amylose in a starch, the more slowly it is digested. Different types of rice have differing percentages of amylose. Long grain rices, which tend to stay more separate, are higher in amylose. Shorter grain rices, which tend to produce creamier and stickier rice are low in amylose and are more glycemic. New potatoes (sometimes described as “waxy”) have a starch that is closer to amylose in structure than more mature potatoes, and they are somewhat less glycemic.

    Most of the starch in beans has a structure which is only slowly broken down into sugars.

    Surprises: One processed food that seems to be digested more slowly than would be guessed is pasta. Apparently the starch molecules are so tightly packed that only about half is rapidly digested when the pasta is cooked “al dente” (slightly firm). Cooking time and thickness of the pasta greatly affects how the glycemic it is.

    Additionally, when some cooked starches, such as potatoes and rice, are cooked and cooled, a small percentage of the starch takes longer to digest.

    How can we tell how quickly a starch is digested?
    It is difficult to know how quickly any one person will digest any individual food. Relatively few foods have been tested for exactly where they are digested, and there are various means of testing that are not standardized. Also, “slowly digested” is a range, and some foods are logically on the faster end of it. Additionally, each person’s digestive system is a little different, and factors such as how thoroughly the food is chewed and what other foods are eaten with it also have an effect.

    The only real way for a person to know how glycemic a food is to them is to monitor their blood glucose. But there are some guidelines that everyone can use.

    What Starches Should We Eat?
    - The best starchy foods are whole beans or lentils. The starch is mostly either slowly-digested starch or resistant starch (though canned beans are more fully digested than ones cooked from the dried state).
    - When choosing grains, eat ones which are whole and intact when cooked, such as brown rice, barley, amaranth, or quinoa.
    - Avoid most baked goods or anything made with flour. Best choices are specially-made low carb breads which have less starch and more fiber.
    - Avoid processed cereals with little fiber. Best choices are cold cereals, such as All-Bran with Extra Fiber, are which are mostly fiber.

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    P3 Vegetable and Fruit List and things to avoid
    Posted by: Beth_M

    Low Carb Vegetables
    This list is roughly arranged from lowest to highest carbohydrate counts, but all are non-starchy and generally low in carbohydrates. Exact carb count depends on serving size. Remember when counting carbs in vegetables that the fiber is not counted, and can be subtracted from the total.
    •Sprouts (bean, alfalfa, etc.)
    •Greens – lettuces, spinach, chard, etc.
    •Hearty Greens - collards, mustard greens, kale, etc.
    •Radicchio and endive count as greens
    •Herbs - parsley, cilantro, basil, rosemary, thyme, etc.
    •Bok Choy
    •Sea Vegetables (Nori, etc)
    •Cabbage (or sauerkraut)
    •Cucumbers (or pickles without added sugars)
    •Green Beans and Wax Beans
    ◦Green Bell Peppers
    ◦Red Bell Peppers
    ◦Jalapeno Peppers
    •Summer Squash (including Zuchinni)
    •Scallions or green onions
    •Bamboo Shoots
    •Brussels Sprouts
    •Snow Peas (pods)
    •Artichoke Hearts
    •Spaghetti Squash
    •Celery Root (Celeriac)
    •Turnip (see Carb Counts of Root Vegetables)
    •Water Chestnuts

    Starchy (High Carb) Vegetables
    The main veggies to be avoided when reducing carbohydrates are the starchier vegetables:
    •Carrots on some diets, but they aren't as high as others in this group
    •Potatoes in all forms
    •Winter Squashes (particularly acorn and butternut)

    Eat Low Sugar Fruit
    Fruit, you'll find, is not particulary welcome on some low carb diets, as some depend more upon glycemic index or glycemic load (South Beach, Zone), while others just look at total carbs (Atkins, Protein Power). Also, some diets (Atkins, South Beach) don't allow fruit at all in the first phase. In general, your best bet fruits are these, but do check carb counts, and watch your weight. Not everyone can have fruit in maintenance. These are sort of arranged by sugar content, taking volume and weight, into account. This is not an exhaustive list.
    Good news: the fruits lowest in sugar are some of the highest in nutritional value, including antioxidants and other phytonutrients.

    Fruits lowest in sugar:

    Fruits fairly high in sugar (avoid these in maintenance, even though some were in P2):

    Fruits to be avoided in the maintenance phase:
    •Dried Fruit

    What to Avoid:
    Avoiding sugar means this: avoid cookies, cake, pie, candy, cupcakes, frosting, soft drinks, corn syrup, kool-aid, processed food, energy drinks, fruit juice, honey, yogurt, donuts, cookies, pudding, maple syrup, brownies, canned fruit in heavy syrup, ice cream, cool whip, boxed breakfast cereals, breakfast bars, granola - nothing with sugar. READ LABELS!!!! Nearly all processed foods in todays' stores contain high fructose corn syrup or some other kind of sugar.

    Here are some of the names you'll know are sugar to avoid in foods:
    •Brown sugar
    •Corn syrup
    •Demerara Sugar
    •Free Flowing Brown Sugars
    •High Fructose Corn Syrup
    •Invert Sugar
    •Maple syrup
    •Muscovado or Barbados Sugar
    •Powdered or confectioner's sugar
    •Rice Syrup
    •Sugar (granulated)
    •Turbinado sugar

    Be sure to read food labels, check to see if sugar is added into a product before you buy it. Nearly every product in a can or box contains sugar in one of its many names. The first five ingredients listed on an item is the majority of the product, so be sure that sugar is not in the top five.

    Avoiding starch means avoid cornstarch, white flour, wheat flour, any flour, pasta, any bread or bread product, breadsticks, bagels, hamburger and hotdog buns, crackers, tortillas, oatmeal, rice, polenta, peas, corn, lentils, pita bread, pretzels, corn chips, potato chips, yams, potatoes, pancakes, muffins, nearly all root vegetables, any breading on fish, chicken, or other protein., beans, grains, acorn squash, butternut squash, cereals, granola, cereal bars, popcorn, biscuits, corn bread, taco shells, croutons, rice cakes, Cream of Wheat, corn meal, and some nuts.

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    Smile Steak Day Alternatives???

    Hi, Great information thanks!!!
    I start P3 tomorrow and wanted to know if there are alternatives to the Steak Day if I go over my 2lbs. I do not eat red meat. Also, are soups okay even though they contain some carbohydrates (Should I just avoid crackers, bread, cookies, etc.)? This part is a little confusing for me.

    Thanks in Advance

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    Getting ready for Phase 3 and want to make sure I do it right this time. Do I still continue eating boneless, skinless chicken or can I (finally) have bone-in chicken (i.e., roasted chicken?)

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    R1/P2/HHCG Drops. Starting P3 3/8/12. 23lbs lost! Woohoo!
    Yes, ma'am, you can! I start P3 Thursday, so I'm pretty excited about that Mmmm.... drumsticks....

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    this has been GREaT info and much more precise which is what need!! Thans alcoholswab! Today is my 72 hour day passed my LIW and I'm the same wt as the LIW of 150.8. Woohoo! So this new info is going to be tremendously helpful. Not liking eggs will make breakfat the most difficult. I am, however looking forward to the Spinach Cups I make as breakfast.... Just need to pick up the spinach. So this am I made a GNC whey protein & water shake for breakfast. (have had good results with them even in P2) so hears wishing everyone GREAT results in M1 !! Ciao for now !
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    Oy, I have two more weeks until P3 and I can not wait for my cocoa crack again. I miss fats so much. I keep looking at the Ribeye in my freezer with food lust.
    155 / 132 / 132

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    What are spinach cups?!? Sounds yummy!

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    This is an excellent thread. So well organized and thorough. Thanks alcoholswab.

    I'm 3 days in to P3 and sailing through. Loving the eggs, the extra protein and the fats.

    I'ma also interested in spinach cups...any word yet on those?

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