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    Quote Originally Posted by alcoholswab View Post
    PHASE 3

    Purpose:
    - The three weeks of strict P3 must be done because the ultimate purpose of P3 is to RESET and lock-in your new base weight (the weight you recorded as your LIW). If you fail to follow the protocol during these weeks, your experience when you begin adding back other foods in P4 WILL be to regain weight up to your former base weight (the weight you were before you began using the HCG protocol or the level you set on the previous round).

    Day of Last Injection:
    - MUST follow exactly the Phase 2 very low calorie diet on the last injection day and for the next 72 hours (not days). Be sure to record your last injection weight (LIW).
    - Begin counting the 72 hours from the time of the last injection.
    - You continue to follow the low calorie food program because your body is flooded with HCG and it should take about 72 hours for it to leave the body. If you are weak or hungry, you may eat a bit more protein but no extra fruit or breadsticks.

    Maintenance:
    - Lasts for three weeks and begins 72 hours after the last HCG injection.
    - You eat normally with the exception of no sugar and no starch. Continue to drink plenty of water daily.
    - During this period, the so-called carbohydrates, that is sugar, rice, bread, potatoes, pastries, etc., are by far the most dangerous. If no carbohydrates whatsoever are eaten, fats can be indulged in somewhat more liberally. As soon as fats and starch are combined, things are very liable to get out of hand. This has to be observed very carefully during the first 3 weeks after the treatment is ended, otherwise, disappointments are almost sure to occur.
    - The goal of Phase 3 is to maintain your new weight loss, not to lose more weight. Do not gain or lose more than 2 lbs. from your LIW. This is important because the hypothalamus is being reset, as is the body’s “base weight”, and any weight loss during this time frame is at the expense of normal fat which is easily regained later.
    - Weigh yourself daily as it takes about three weeks before the weight reached at the end of the Phase 2 treatment becomes stable (ex. does not show violent fluctuations after an occasional excess).
    - When additional courses of HCG injections are needed, the three week maintenance period of Phase 3 is ALWAYS followed by the beginning three weeks of Phase 4 when sugar and starch are slowly added (this second set of three weeks is now commonly known as the beginning maintenance weeks of Phase 4).
    - The maintenance interval between Phase 2 courses increases incrementally as Phase 4 becomes increasingly longer with each additional HCG course because there is a possibility of developing immunity to HCG. This interval permits the HCG to become fully effective again:
    Round 1: 6 week break (3 weeks of P3 and 3 weeks of P4)
    Round 2 : 8 week break (3 weeks of P3 and 5 weeks of P4)
    Round 3: 12 week break (3 weeks of P3 and 9 weeks of P4)
    Round 4: 20 week break (3 weeks of P3 and 17 weeks of P4)

    Troubleshooting:
    1) Not eating enough food, especially protein – you should be eating a minimum of 1500 calories. In general, we do not encourage counting calories, but if you are a lifetime dieter, you may try to keep eating too little to avoid gaining back the weight you just lost. This is a major, common mistake. In these circumstances we encourage someone to add up the calories to make sure they are eating enough (not to limit what they are eating). According to Dr. Simeons, HCG is releasing 1500 to 4000 calories into your system and you are eating another 500 calories, so theoretically your system has been revved up to handle 2000-4500 calories PER DAY. You can see how going into the maintenance phase and ‘cutting back’ to 800 or 1200 would send your body back into the ‘grab everything and hold on to its starvation mode.
    2) Eating sugars and starches (intentionally or not).
    3) Staying on the 500 calories diet a little too long.

    Important Information:
    - Protein need not be watched carefully, while dairy and higher carbohydrate fruits and vegetables should be watched very carefully. Unless an adequate amount of protein is eaten as soon as the Phase 2 treatment is over, protein deficiency is bound to develop, and this inevitably causes the marked retention of water known as hunger-edema. A protein deficient diet makes the body retain water. The treatment for hunger-edema is simple. Eat two eggs for breakfast and a huge steak for lunch and dinner followed by a large helping of cheese. When this treatment is followed, 2 lbs. can vanish overnight, the swollen ankles are normal but sleep was disturbed, owing to an extraordinary need to pass large quantities of water.
    - You should never gain more than 2 lbs. without immediately correcting this, but it is equally undesirable that more than 2 lbs. be lost after treatment because a greater loss is always achieved at the expense of normal fat. Any normal fat that is lost is invariably regained as soon as more food is taken, and it often appears that this rebound overshoots the 2 lb. maximum limit.
    - If you are losing weight, then increase your vegetable consumption. Add back green beans, broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, and other low glycemic veggies.
    - You must weigh everyday to make sure you have not gained more than 2 pounds since your last injection weight date. After a course of HCG, as much as 10 lbs. can be regained without any noticeable change in the fit of clothes. This occurs because you have lost pounds and inches. After treatment, newly acquired fat is at first evenly distributed and does not show the former preference for certain parts of the body.
    - it’s a good idea to keep a close eye on your reaction foods. Even if you have never had difficulty with certain foods, it's possible that the ability of a person’s body to handle certain foods at certain times may change depending on how much fatty tissue is left.

    Steak day:
    - As long as the weight stays within two pounds of the weight reached on the day of the last injection, one should take no notice of any increase. However, the moment the scale goes beyond 2 lbs., even if this is only a few ounces, they must on that same day entirely skip breakfast and lunch but take plenty to drink. In the evening, they must eat a huge steak with only an apple or a raw tomato. This rule applies only to the morning weight. It is of the utmost importance that this be done on the same day as the scale registered an increase of more than two pounds from the weight you achieved on the last injection day. You must NOT postpone this protocol until the next day.
    - If you see a Steak Day drawing near, you can do the following, which will usually bring your weight down a pound or so the next day:
    1) Drink lots of water that day
    2) Don’t eat until lunch
    3) Have a whole can of tuna (water packed), or chicken with mayo on either lettuce or celery for lunch
    4) Have a big portion of protein for dinner with a small salad and carbohydrate dressing (ex. Ranch)
    5) If you are extremely hungry, you could also have 2 eggs for breakfast.

    Outcome:
    - Most patients hardly ever need to skip a meal. If they have eaten a heavy lunch they feel no desire to eat dinner, and in this case no increase in weight takes place. If they keep their weight at the point reached at the end of Phase 2, even a heavy dinner does not bring about an increase of two pounds on the next morning and does not, therefore, call for any special measures.
    - Most patients are surprised how small their appetite has become and yet how much they can eat without gaining weight. They no longer suffer from an abnormal appetite and feel satisfied with much less food than before. In fact, they are usually disappointed that they cannot manage their first normal meal after completing Phase 2, which they have been planning for weeks.
    - Beware of over enthusiasm. When doing the maintenance interval, some people cannot believe that they can eat fairly normally without regaining weight. They disregard the advice to eat anything they please except sugar and starch (only eliminated during Phase 3) and they want to play it safe. They try more or less to continue the 500-Calorie diet and make only minor variations. To their horror, they find their weight goes up.
    - Though a person can only consider oneself really cured when reduced to the statistically normal weight, we do not insist on commitment to that extent. Even a partial loss of overweight is highly beneficial.

    Future:
    - After your goal weight is reached, complete Phase 3 followed by the beginning three weeks of Phase 4 maintenance which is when you SLOWLY begin to add back in sugar and starch as you follow the requirement not to gain or lose more than 2 lbs. from your LIW. Weight is always controlled by morning weighing after emptying the bladder. Going forward ‘SLOWLY’ is the key word to success. Afterward, you stay on Phase 4 for the rest of your life.
    I at the end of 3rd week of first round and having 2 really bad days with sugar

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    Pure HWC, (heavy whipping cream) from Trader Joe's is the joy of my existence in P3! I also enjoy eggs scrambled in coconut oil for breakfast. So far, after 3 rounds, no sensitivities & no problems stabilizing.

    My biggest challenge on P3 is drinking enough water. I have gains on days when I ignore the water; thankfully, the gains go away when I water up!

    P3 just amazes me!

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    I have looked EVERYWHERE... any one know if zucchini is okay on P3?? I am also wondering about, melba toast. tomato paste.... Help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheekys View Post
    I have looked EVERYWHERE... any one know if zucchini is okay on P3?? I am also wondering about, melba toast. tomato paste.... Help.
    OH Yeah... Quinoa???
    Starting over 4 years later...

    Round three four years after hitting goal weight. Gained over 50 in the last year from stress and poor eating. Ready to be rid of this weight again.

    Age:38
    26 day shots
    Started loading on 1/22 at 233.2
    Started VLCD 1/25 at 229.4
    1/30~ 219.8 Down 13.4 first week!
    1/31~ 218.8
    2/1 ~ 218.0
    2/2 ~ 217
    2/3 ~ 216.6
    2/4 ~ 215.8

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    Phase 3 information

    Zucchini is ok (and is considered a summer squash, as opposes to a winter squash, like butternut)

    Tomato paste is iffy, some people have issues with tomato, and I would be careful with the high sugar content of the concentrated paste. That said, it's usually quite dilute by the time we consume it, so it could be no big deal. Basically watch for added sugar, and watch your body. As for quinoa, its something you want to do after p3 in a few weeks, it is stated in pounds and inches no.
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    Phase 3 information

    Melba is a starch. No starch.
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    Any word on Jimaca? I would like to make civiche!
    Starting over 4 years later...

    Round three four years after hitting goal weight. Gained over 50 in the last year from stress and poor eating. Ready to be rid of this weight again.

    Age:38
    26 day shots
    Started loading on 1/22 at 233.2
    Started VLCD 1/25 at 229.4
    1/30~ 219.8 Down 13.4 first week!
    1/31~ 218.8
    2/1 ~ 218.0
    2/2 ~ 217
    2/3 ~ 216.6
    2/4 ~ 215.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by ck37421 View Post
    I have one more VLCD before starting P3. After reading all of the posts on here I'm a bit concerned. My doctor has me on a 1000 calorie plan for the next 30 days. Based on the following:

    Week 1 off hCG: Increase portions but only eat foods on the list
    Week 2 off hCG: It is ok to eat all meats, all fruit and all vegetables except potato
    Week 3 of hCG: Add nuts, eggs and dairy
    Week 4 of hCG: Add whole grains, flour, sugar, and potato in extreme moderation

    If I gain any weight during any of these weeks, I am supposed to go back to the prior weeks menu. They also told me during my transition meeting that I would continue to loose weight but at a slower rate.

    This is so different what what I have been reading here. I'm very confused.
    My doctor told me the same thing.
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    Does anyone know if Hemp protein or chia seeds are okay in P3? I was going to avoid the eggs for a week or so and use hemp as protein in my shakes.
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    Today is going to be my last day on the drops. It is day 27 for me (I was hoping to at least make it to day 30) but my drops don't seem to be working anymore. I am starving!! So I am suppose to go 48 hrs with no drops still eating P2? Or should I just go right to increasing my calories tomorrow since my drops are no longer working? I feel very hungry today and lightheaded. My weight loss has slooooowed considerably since week 3 so have only lost about 3lbs is approx 2 weeks give or take. ugh

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    I believe the myth that "low carb can mess up your thyroid" as you wrote, Grammy, all started with Dr. Colpo's musings. What was **not** openly mentioned in the article on the study you're thinking of: that it was PUFAs (vegetable oil) rather than saturated fat and MUFA sources (which are known to be anti-inflammatory) that were used for the study you got this idea from.

    Note: PUFAs are known sometimes as Omega 6s. And MUFAs are known sometimes as Omega 3s. Not all Omegas are created equally.

    And, remember: PUFAs are inflammatory (which are the basis of many gains). Also, in addition to this...they are the kind of PUFAs that *inhibit* the thyroid. Damage it, actually. These PUFAs are not present in meats and animal fats. In other words...the kind of diet they studied is an abnormal version of the traditional low carb diet. They used **tons** of "vegetable oil" which is soy-derived. Soy is a goitrogen, which is another way of saying "thyroid inhibitor" (thyroid damager). Anyone would suffer adverse effects from eating a diet that gets its fat entirely (or mostly) from vegetable oil. Because that "fat" in vegetable oil is derived from a source that is known to damage and suppress the thyroid. That just doesn't happen with animal fats. In fact, saturated fats (animal fats) are the most stimulating macronutrient on the planet. That's right, saturated fat is very healthy for the thyroid, and keeps it humming along.

    Link to an article discussing the studies you reference is here, Colleen:
    http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/08...d-the-thyroid/

    And another article discussing the study you reference, and the PUFAs used versus saturated fats and MUFAs....written by a researcher and someone who has dissected the study you cited, Colleen:
    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...ight-gain.html

    Hope that helps clear the air of confusion surrounding low carb approaches. It's the kind of fat that's used with them that's key. Saturated fat, when not *******ized with sugars and refined grains/processed "food", preservatives, all that....is quite anti-inflammatory, and stimulates the thyroid.

    PUFAs, namely "vegetable" oil (read: soy) are known to cause inflammatory responses (gains), and to suppress the thyroid due to their goitrogenic effect. It makes sense now, the study you reference, Colleen -- of course the kind of diet they studied would suppress the thyroid. They were using "fats" that weren't really fats -- these are oils, and they're oils that are thyroid suppressors (goitrogens).

    Again, I'll stress: saturated fats and MUFAs (also called "Omega 3s") are the most potent, thyroid-stimulating macronutrient on the planet. In other words, a low-carb diet is not anything that will ever suppress the thyroid; it's just not possible. "Vegetable oils" on the other hand, are never a good idea when you want to stimulate the thyroid...certainly not in massive amounts like were used in the study you reference, Colleen.

    As for the hCG protocol and P3: it's understandable that we need fruit; it's part of our normal metabolism. We should have them...possibly holding off for the first week is best, and introducing them slooowwwly in the second week will help. Going slow with carbs and fruits in general in P3 is best. I agree that they should not be cut out of our diet completely in P3.

    But, once again, I disagree with any notion that a low-carb diet damages or inhibits the thyroid.

    When we take a closer look at the "anti-low-carb" rhetoric, and see what they used to comprise their study to "confirm" any negative effects, it's apparent this was not an accurate study they're touting, Colleen.

    Which isn't surprising. There's a lot of low-carb phobia out there. Same people who conduct these studies try to convince us that eating red meat is bad. And, saturated fat? Oh, it's the "devil"....lol.... Which it's not, of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by grammy1952 View Post
    ...I worry when someone is TOO strict because going to totally no carb can mess up your thyroid. So don't depress it by being TOO strict.
    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

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    Question What if I'm not at my goal weight?

    I honestly didn't do very well on PH2 (lots of stressful situations happened coupled with getting a list of foods that was NOT necessarily the same as protocal --didn't find this site until I was more than 1/2 way through the phase), I just feel like it wasn't successful for me.

    HOW & WHEN do I go about "starting over" & doing this program the *right* way?

    Thank you!

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