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    Quote Originally Posted by justgitterdone View Post
    So proud of you with your attitude towards the scale adjustment. Instead of letting it get you down and derail you, you used the additional information provided to remain logical and see things for what they really are. And I agree, that continuing to weigh is very helpful to be able to quickly pivot and reverse course if needed. Your scale sounds amazing by the way! You may have already done this, but would you mind sharing the brand/model? I’d like to look into it.
    Thank you so much, JGD! It's especially amazing given where I am in my cycle, LOL. Maybe it's all finally sinking in that I'm in a good place and all I need to do is stay here and stop getting in my own way. The scale is a Renpho, and it came highly rated. Not sure which model exactly, but it's white and cost around $30, ordered from Amazon. The same model in black was cheaper, but my bathroom floor is white. As far as I'm concerned it's already worth the expense with just one weighing!

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    Today was a planned experiment in refeeding. Not a cheat, per se, but instead of two meals, I ate three, and I allowed myself to eat what I wanted. This included playing with my new tiny waffle iron to make a keto egg and bacon brekkie sammich with keto waffles as the bun, a taco salad for lunch, and a little sirloin steak with low sugar wine for dinner. Oh, and I finally tried that silly "nice cream" made in the Vitamix with frozen bananas. The verdict? Not worth it. But I don't love bananas anyway, and now that I'm rather deliberately low carb, it seems much more worth it to splurge on keto ice cream or just real whipped cream. Though heavy cream makes me feel yuck. Oh well.

    Anyway, the upshot is that giving myself permission to eat whatever I wanted and within a longer eating window made no food particularly exciting. It seems de-criminalizing foods makes them less and less tantalizing, and so this may be worth doing once a week. I may be getting to that place of intuitive eating thanks to eating nutrient-dense and low-sugar long enough to not be hyped up by cravings. It feels pretty darn good.

    Long fast tomorrow in preparation for afternoon bloodwork at the doc. It'll all be worth it though for being able to meet up with BF after for dinner. Likely a bunless burger for me, but it will be delightful for being in his company.

    I've left my prep work to the last minute so I could squeeze every last drop out of my spring break. It snowed on two of my walks today. That's spring in Michigan for you! At least I luxuriated in an afternoon meditation and did my nails in addition to cooking tasty things. All in all a very good day! Cheers to a new week and a new month--in addition to a new term--starting next week!

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    sounds like you are doing well. Congrats on the new scale. It amazes me the things they can measure. Not sure how that works. My scale goes back over 14 or 15 years. Wondering if it needs to be retired.

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    Weight jumped significantly this morning. Not unexpected, and I'm not going to sweat it.

    Not much other than that to report. Finishing up preparations before heading to the doc. Eager to hear what she has to say.

    Happy Monday, all!

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    Good Morning
    I suppose it is at this stage of p3 where we just plod along, stay on the straight and narrow and do what we have to do...Had busy weekend and power was off early this morning so could not weigh, but I know I am good... I suppose there are other stuff I can add or try but back to that saying, that even though I can have all these things, does not mean I actually want to eat it

    I did do my saturday treat with grilled prawns with Lemon butter sauce. Seems she is slowly but surely coming on board with the weekdays no starch and sugar and a bit more freedom on the weekends for herself as well... will work nice if i have a close friend on the same page as me going forward

    But i think basically she saw my results and now feels she must do something.....

    enjoy the day and sure the doc will be impressed with your results!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlirtyFlo View Post
    I know I am good... I suppose there are other stuff I can add or try but back to that saying, that even though I can have all these things, does not mean I actually want to eat it
    Oh, indeed. Just because I can, doesn't mean I should. But of course, since we're avoiding "shoulding" on ourselves, the way you put it is better phrased. How wonderful to have gotten to a point in which we simply do not want to eat many of the things that are less healthy for us. If I really honestly look back at myself, that's nothing short of a miracle given how terribly I struggled with food cravings. Yet another of many powerful benefits of being well-nourished and fat adapted, which is how I'm framing this low-carb/keto/P3 way of eating for myself. I feel I've worked very hard to get myself into a state of burning fat rather than burning sugar (metabolically speaking), and I very much would like to stay there for life. Very motivating, indeed.

    Also happy to learn you both treated yourself and seem to have had the deeply positive effect on your friend we'd all hoped. And equally important, that you're now in good company and perhaps feel less alone IRL on this journey. So wonderful, Yvonne!

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    MissM... I love this...

    I think, and figuring out perhaps the difference between my lowest achievable weight and lowest maintainable weight.
    my normal weight starts at 50.4kgs- 67.8 (110.88???? - 149.1) I think the reason It is so easy to stabilize where i am now is because I am at one of those cemented in stable weight and maybe how it was harder to lose, in my first series of rounds I have lost a lot all the way down to 67kg but it was hard to sustain long term I seem to have stabilized comfortably at 72 kgs/158.4 so I have been saying all along that if I get to 72kgs I would be happy and I know I will be able to maintain... But anything below 70 would be great, and if i do get there i know mindfulness will be key...

    If I only make it down to 72, i believe for my age, I will be happy and it suits me, I do not want my bingo wings flapping in the air (they already are!! haha)... no need to loose so much that you look ill or dragging a lot of lose skin around...
    My aim with the next round will be to take it easy but still aim for between 68-72 kgs.... won't push too hard Because what I learned from this current round is that when i push less, stabilisation is much more achievable... i am even happy where I am at now, but would like to break 70 /154..... and leave it to P3 to dictate what my stabilization weight should be

    normal weight is do-able, but i will be within the upper end of normal
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    Yesterday brought so very many gifts, I'm happy to report. It was a very good visit with my doc, and yes, she was so "impressed" by my fat loss/transformation, she literally didn't recognize me! We had a good laugh about that.

    We also had a great chat about hormones and peri menopause, and they drew a tremendous number of vials of blood to do a new baseline of pretty much everything for me. It seems prudent given that I've lost 25% of my body weight. It's very possible I'm in peri menopause, but it's also quite possible my hormones are shifting and adjusting because of the fat loss. Eagerly anticipating the results of the lab work. I happened to be in a very good place in my cycle to test estrogen and progesterone, she said.

    Then, and this is the really exciting part, I saw the gal who administers HCG in the office for bio impedance analysis, or body composition analysis. The results were very interesting, indeed, and infinitely helpful.

    As I mentioned yesterday, my weight had shot up overnight--four pounds, to be exact--and today, without fanfare, it dropped back down to Sunday's weight. We now have some interesting evidence for why this seems to happen to my body. Sort of.

    Here's what the analysis showed:
    *my body fat percentage is at the very low end of normal
    *my body fat in pounds (in context of my body) is slightly lower than normal
    *my "dry lean weight" is off-the-charts high/above normal
    *my total body water is also quite high/above normal

    The upshot, given all of this, is that I am exceedingly muscular and likely largely under the influence of fluctuating hormones to be holding onto so much water. Like, it's beyond what's normal for a normal monthly cycle's high-end fluctuations. It could be peri menopause; it could be where I am in my cycle; I also suspect it might be that I ate quite a high-carb diet for me on Sunday. In other words, it's another perfect storm. I'm so good at those when it comes to the scale, LOL!

    But what this information has given me is very real peace of mind about so many things. She confirmed that I am someone who really would be best served by not giving the scale too much power. I'm doing everything right, basically, and am at the low end of a healthy goal weight even though I'm above LIW.

    I had arbitrarily wanted to get to a goal of 125 pounds, and after two rounds of HCG (the last of which was something of a struggle at the end because of extreme hunger), I got down to 130. And stabilizing there has thus far been basically out of reach. The HCG administrator said with some authority that the best weight for me is likely somewhere between 135 and 140 given my body composition and the way my body looks at this weight right now.

    So, we'll see. I'm at the tail end of my cycle and my weight is at its peak time of flux. So, I'll continue to weigh every day and see where I land. I'll also continue to eat P3-style and keep up my activity levels so there are as few variables as possible for the time being.

    What this also suggests to me is that there are very real, physiological reasons for my hunger; or for why, as my dear old granny used to say, I "eat like a man." My body is quite muscular, and that helps give me an above average basal metabolic rate for a woman of my height and scale weight. On top of that, I am, indeed, an athlete who does a lot of activity deliberately and incidentally every day. And it's a dang good thing I have come upon a paleo diet, because my body really does require and function best with the kind of nourishment, especially protein, I'm giving it.

    I also met up with BF for a dinner date after my appointment, and it dawned on me that not eating the kind of starchy carbs that he does means I never really feel "full" like he does. I ate a burger with a lettuce bun and a hot dog with a lettuce bun (both "clean"), after having fasted nearly 24 hours, and while satisfied, I was nowhere near "full". He, on the other hand, had a double cheeseburger with a bun, chicken nuggets, fries, and a beer. He didn't finish any one of those things, probably eating about 2/3 of each, and he felt quite full. We went grocery shopping afterwards, and I ended up eating a handful of pork rinds and a couple squares of keto dark chocolate.

    I could have eaten a lot more, but I didn't. This is part of my continuing experiment: to find that sweet spot of being well fed yet not overfed. To discover for myself the best signals and ways to listen and respond to them to understand how to best nourish myself and enjoy life, basically. To maybe understand those signals a bit differently, that not getting to that point of feeling "full" may actually provide me with more pleasure than "getting full" with every meal. Maybe I am finally in a good place to recalibrate my hunger, but in a spirit of love and curiosity rather than punishment and deprivation. Big difference, and yet outwardly/visibly quite subtle.

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    congrats on a succesful doctor visit. Those can be satisfying. Very interesting at the high amount of water you are carrying. That might be a lasting side effect of coming off of the diet. Maybe the body is holding onto extra water. Perhaps a compensation to make up for the lost fat from the previous month. For my case, that would explain the wild swings on the scale. Because I know for fact that the swings I see are not real weight loss or gain, just water fluctuations.

    Sounds like you are in a great place. Being able to sit across from your BF as he pounds the carbs down and stay the course is satisfying. Yes getting stuffed in the old diet vs eating to satisfaction on this one is a totally different world. And I agree that keto or paleo diet works well with an active lifestyle. I have yet to miss all the carbs when I play tennis. As long as I get my protein, all is well.

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    WAY TO GO GIRL!!! YOU ARE ROCKING IT!!

    You must seriously feel very proud of yourself for what you have accomplished and I seriously think its that time of month and from the few months we have journeyed together, the scale is always fussy with you at that time....

    It is as if I have for the first time ever on a weight loss journey, finally got to a mind shift... there is no such a thing that 'the diet is over" is about healthy choices and not having it because it is there or because someone else is having it or serving it
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlirtyFlo View Post
    MissM... I love this...



    my normal weight starts at 50.4kgs- 67.8 (110.88???? - 149.1) I think the reason It is so easy to stabilize where i am now is because I am at one of those cemented in stable weight and maybe how it was harder to lose, in my first series of rounds I have lost a lot all the way down to 67kg but it was hard to sustain long term I seem to have stabilized comfortably at 72 kgs/158.4 so I have been saying all along that if I get to 72kgs I would be happy and I know I will be able to maintain... But anything below 70 would be great, and if i do get there i know mindfulness will be key...

    If I only make it down to 72, i believe for my age, I will be happy and it suits me, I do not want my bingo wings flapping in the air (they already are!! haha)... no need to loose so much that you look ill or dragging a lot of lose skin around...
    My aim with the next round will be to take it easy but still aim for between 68-72 kgs.... won't push too hard Because what I learned from this current round is that when i push less, stabilisation is much more achievable... i am even happy where I am at now, but would like to break 70 /154..... and leave it to P3 to dictate what my stabilization weight should be

    normal weight is do-able, but i will be within the upper end of normal
    Hey Flirtyflo, am I understanding you correctly that you plan to do another round to lose another 4-5 pounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonblack View Post
    congrats on a succesful doctor visit. Those can be satisfying. Very interesting at the high amount of water you are carrying. That might be a lasting side effect of coming off of the diet. Maybe the body is holding onto extra water. Perhaps a compensation to make up for the lost fat from the previous month. For my case, that would explain the wild swings on the scale. Because I know for fact that the swings I see are not real weight loss or gain, just water fluctuations.

    Sounds like you are in a great place. Being able to sit across from your BF as he pounds the carbs down and stay the course is satisfying. Yes getting stuffed in the old diet vs eating to satisfaction on this one is a totally different world. And I agree that keto or paleo diet works well with an active lifestyle. I have yet to miss all the carbs when I play tennis. As long as I get my protein, all is well.
    Thank you, Jeff! Interesting observations about the water weight. Perhaps time will tell. Or perhaps we simply need to accept the mysteries of these protean bodies in which we live.

    Thanks especially for the reinforcement about keto/paleo and being an athlete. I mentioned it in Yvonne's thread, but I really have experienced that once we're in a fat-adapted state and burning fat instead of sugar, we just don't need those carbs as fuel for workouts. I think there are exceptions, but the science is there, and it's been confirmed by my own lived experience. It's pretty great. And I need to keep it in the forefront of my mind as time marches on and I may feel tempted by more starches or sugary treats on a more regular basis. I find if I think in terms of staying fat adapted I make better choices with food overall.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlirtyFlo View Post
    WAY TO GO GIRL!!! YOU ARE ROCKING IT!!

    You must seriously feel very proud of yourself for what you have accomplished and I seriously think its that time of month and from the few months we have journeyed together, the scale is always fussy with you at that time....

    It is as if I have for the first time ever on a weight loss journey, finally got to a mind shift... there is no such a thing that 'the diet is over" is about healthy choices and not having it because it is there or because someone else is having it or serving it
    INDEED. It's a lifestyle not a diet. There's no end point to this journey, and I'm finally at peace with that.

    I think you're right it's my cycle, but the question is whether or not my cycle has changed in these past few months and if hormonal assistance is warranted at this point.

    And I do feel proud of myself and continue to work on giving myself credit for my choices and achievements both large and small. It's so very helpful. Just tonight I was feeling a little noshy, like I could eat, but I wasn't genuinely hungry. I went back and forth with myself a bit about whether or not to eat, and finally said to myself, "You'll feel so much better tomorrow for having made the choice to honor your hunger, which is nonexistent, to give your body a break and wake up refreshed and not feeling sluggish for overfeeding when not hungry." And then I thought, Good job! Give yourself credit for making the most healthy choice in this moment. For showing restraint with food as well as reverence for both food and your body.

    Ultimately, it's these little choices throughout each day that will add up to keeping off the weight or not, to living my healthiest life or not. It's a good reminder to myself, so that's why I'm leaving it here. . . .

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