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    MissM..
    Interesting thought...
    with an emphasis on SMALL. But frequent meals vs IF... my basic make up is really towards IF .. in that i can go for long periods of no eating and no hunger... however on a more practical angle... my issue with not being able to manage large meals means i have to balance my life choices accordingly... for me the lesson yet again lies in listening to that quiet voice from our bodies

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlirtyFlo View Post
    MissM..
    Interesting thought...
    with an emphasis on SMALL. But frequent meals vs IF... my basic make up is really towards IF .. in that i can go for long periods of no eating and no hunger... however on a more practical angle... my issue with not being able to manage large meals means i have to balance my life choices accordingly... for me the lesson yet again lies in listening to that quiet voice from our bodies

    We are not all created equal.... and that explains it all
    Indeed, Yvonne. And I can't help but draw on some ayurvedic wisdom in response--when we're in balance our bodies crave that which balances us, and when we're out of balance, we tend toward that which keeps us out of balance. From an ayurvedic perspective, I'd say you're working on building your digestive fire. Because it's weak, your body is happy forgetting to eat so it doesn't have to work so hard; however, not eating keeps that digestive fire quite dim. In order to build it at this point, eating more regularly, and not too much but also not too little, will help strengthen that fire. In time, I trust your digestion will be in a much different place. As digestive fire builds, so does hunger with the body's ability to metabolize and digest what it's given. Everything you're doing--meal timing, hydration between rather than during meals, including a digestive enzyme, increasing activity--is all contributing to a stronger digestive fire. GOOD FOR YOU!!

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    Interesting observations regarding my own hunger and eating and the way I feel.

    So, yesterday I had finished my planned eating window quite early, but became hungry again at suppertime. Not super hungry, but definitely like I needed more food. SO I had some fruit, then got into some coconut yogurt and grain-free granola. I even ate a *gasp* banana. I ate past satisfaction, and didn't feel good about that. It was kind of close to a binge, especially given the type of food it was--crunchy, sweet, creamy.

    Anyway, my period is due today but still hasn't come. Last month I felt really terrible on the day I started my period, had a really bad pilates session and was just weak. Yesterday I felt so tired and weak I had to drag myself out for walks, and I fell short of my step goal by a little.

    But today I FEEL GREAT! I had a really strong pilates session and I'm bouncing around outside walking because it's a pleasure. I may throw in an extra yoga practice just because it will FEEL GOOD.

    I didn't wake up with a food hangover at all, and I easily fasted until nearly 1 p.m. then ate steak and veggies to satisfaction. I may or may not have a second meal after yoga. So this isn't a runaway train situation. Thankfully.

    I have kind of been experimenting with my own version of carb cycling, in the way I tend to do things; you know: not terribly scientific and without much hard data. Basically, for the past two weeks I've been eating quite low carb/ keto-end of paleo M/W/F/Sa and eating lower fat proteins and slightly more carbs with deliberately less added fat on T/Th with Sundays as a kind of free day in which I just don't think too hard about what I'm eating or why, but allowing my eating to be guided by my hunger.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that my body, especially in the week leading up to my period, really needs more carbs. I'm not talking about bread and sugar and garbage, but fruit and more veggies if not nuts and "keto" chocolate and snack products that are higher in carbs than I usually indulge in. I think last night's pseudo binge was my body's way of saying FEED ME. And having given it more carbs and more fiber, it came back to life even with the hormonal shifts.

    And I do feel a little bit bloated, but not uncomfortably so. More in the way that when the cells are flooded with carbs they replenish their glucose stores. Which may be why I'm feeling so strong and athletic and full of stamina today.

    Anyway, I'm going to keep an eye on this and not necessarily jump to the conclusion that I'm bingeing or emotionally eating when my body actually is honestly asking for what it needs. Such complex and intricate machines are we, no? Maybe perfectly so.

    What a wild and wonderful adventure this is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineMissM View Post
    Interesting observations regarding my own hunger and eating and the way I feel.

    So, yesterday I had finished my planned eating window quite early, but became hungry again at suppertime. Not super hungry, but definitely like I needed more food. SO I had some fruit, then got into some coconut yogurt and grain-free granola. I even ate a *gasp* banana. I ate past satisfaction, and didn't feel good about that. It was kind of close to a binge, especially given the type of food it was--crunchy, sweet, creamy.

    Anyway, my period is due today but still hasn't come. Last month I felt really terrible on the day I started my period, had a really bad pilates session and was just weak. Yesterday I felt so tired and weak I had to drag myself out for walks, and I fell short of my step goal by a little.

    But today I FEEL GREAT! I had a really strong pilates session and I'm bouncing around outside walking because it's a pleasure. I may throw in an extra yoga practice just because it will FEEL GOOD.

    I didn't wake up with a food hangover at all, and I easily fasted until nearly 1 p.m. then ate steak and veggies to satisfaction. I may or may not have a second meal after yoga. So this isn't a runaway train situation. Thankfully.

    I have kind of been experimenting with my own version of carb cycling, in the way I tend to do things; you know: not terribly scientific and without much hard data. Basically, for the past two weeks I've been eating quite low carb/ keto-end of paleo M/W/F/Sa and eating lower fat proteins and slightly more carbs with deliberately less added fat on T/Th with Sundays as a kind of free day in which I just don't think too hard about what I'm eating or why, but allowing my eating to be guided by my hunger.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that my body, especially in the week leading up to my period, really needs more carbs. I'm not talking about bread and sugar and garbage, but fruit and more veggies if not nuts and "keto" chocolate and snack products that are higher in carbs than I usually indulge in. I think last night's pseudo binge was my body's way of saying FEED ME. And having given it more carbs and more fiber, it came back to life even with the hormonal shifts.

    And I do feel a little bit bloated, but not uncomfortably so. More in the way that when the cells are flooded with carbs they replenish their glucose stores. Which may be why I'm feeling so strong and athletic and full of stamina today.

    Anyway, I'm going to keep an eye on this and not necessarily jump to the conclusion that I'm bingeing or emotionally eating when my body actually is honestly asking for what it needs. Such complex and intricate machines are we, no? Maybe perfectly so.

    What a wild and wonderful adventure this is.
    It sounds like you are fully in tune to your body and can truly listen to what it needs. You are doing very well.

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    I'm back from a lovely Easter weekend, and in general there are some things I can definitely give myself credit for, and there are also some things I can learn from for the future.

    The Easter meal turned out beautiful and we all enjoyed every bite. Plenty of leftovers, too, but not too much.

    Saturday night I met up with BF and a friend at the bar he manages and enjoyed two cocktails. They made me feel hungry so I ate much later than I had planned for. In fact, I had intended to be done eating for the day. But they were good foods I had made and brought, and it probably was a good thing that I ate rather than getting overly tipsy and then hungover. I just hardly drink at all anymore, so alcohol hits me differently. Not to mention having lost so much weight. That just occurred to me. Of course I won't be able to drink and metabolize alcohol the same way I used to!

    Anyway, I woke up Sunday with a food hangover for having eaten so late. This is a habit of BF's, so I'm on high alert again about not falling into this particular pattern of his when we're together. I just have come to really enjoy a longer fast and waking up in the morning to that feeling of a clean, empty stomach. I could still taste the food I'd eaten from the night before and I had a sour tummy. Which, of course, means the food didn't properly digest because I went to bed so soon after eating it. No bueno. Live and learn and learn again, over and over.

    However, I had deliberately indulged in the cocktails because I wanted to, and it was fun. And when I woke up feeling sub par, I went for a long walk and help off on eating until I was hungry, had our Easter dinner after a nap because I needed it, and then BF and I went to see a movie where I didn't eat or drink anything despite the fact that he sneaked out and got a bag of popcorn. In fairness, he thought it would be a nice surprise treat for me. In the past I've loved the popcorn at this particular cinema so much I've eaten buckets of it in one sitting. But that's the old way. And I was pleasantly satisfied from Easter dinner and had no intention of making the same mistake I made the night before.

    Yesterday was a travel day and a fun day for us. Successful shopping in one of our fave nearby cities where I bought new belts and tiny little shorts that fit effortlessly as well as some specialty groceries. We were out and about so long it got too be too late for dinner, so after a hearty, healthy breakfast of sausage, mushroom and eggs, food included some cheese and pate and pickles and flax seed crackers. The cheese didn't set so well with me, and I knew it likely wouldn't; but I deliberately pushed the boundaries a bit just to see how things would go. I guess that means this is P4 for me.

    And P4 for me doesn't really include any high-carb or high-sugar foods. Starches and sugars are pretty much out for me. P4 means playing with some of the more indulgent low carb things like keto baked goods, nuts, dairy. But I really do think the mainstay of my diet will continue to be the template I've referenced in the past: meals composed of meat, veggies, and fat. Two meals a day seems to work best.

    So that's what I'm back to today, without fanfare.

    My period is now four days past due, so I'm on the lookout for my old friend and staying off the scale for the moment. I don't know that I'll be reporting my weight here whether I've weighed in or not. It's info for me, when I choose it, and it's not healthy for me to focus on it overmuch. I know there are different approaches, and I do believe it's an important tool for keeping off weight permanently, but not obsessing over it--or food, or exercise, or my body--is really important to me right now. Still staying open to finding my best way forward. . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineMissM View Post

    And P4 for me doesn't really include any high-carb or high-sugar foods. Starches and sugars are pretty much out for me. P4 means playing with some of the more indulgent low carb things like keto baked goods, nuts, dairy. But I really do think the mainstay of my diet will continue to be the template I've referenced in the past: meals composed of meat, veggies, and fat. Two meals a day seems to work best.



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    Sounds like a great weekend. I love that plan. Makes perfect sense. You still get the carbs you need but no processed junk.

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    Sounds like you had a wonderful Easter weekend Miss M. I think I will need to adopt a bit of your plan, starches and sugars rarely. I've never purchased many "keto friendly" foods, so may try some of those after this round. Have I mentioned I am back on P2 again? After a very stable P3 and only a couple of days of P4. I really would like to drop another 15 lbs or so before summer starts in ernest, so against protocol I have cycled back to P2. Our trip to see family in Virginia went well, Ends up I didnt have donuts, but each morning ate a couple sausage patties and an order of bacon from a really good local restaurant. And when I said an order of bacon, they did it just right, prob 5, maybe six slices. It was so good, and very filling/satisfying. I did have a steak salad from Outback once, and even a burger from Five Guys (with bread) and a few of their fries, as well as twice a small piece of a special cake I had taken . Was a little worried, actually figured I'd need a correction day when I got home, but weighed next morning and actually lost a lb on trip, was 1 lb below last dose weight. So trip didn't do any damage after all. Loaded for 2 1/2 days (had company in town), gained 5 lbs loading--today is very low calorie day #3 and I this morning weighed--and have lost 5.2 lbs. So lost all of the load weight gain, and onto lower weights I hope. Anyway, enough about me--so happy to hear rave review from you doc. Since you are athletic, you probably should not worry so much about the lowest number on the scale--I'm sure you can weigh more than you might like and still look very fit and thin. It really should be about how we feel, and how our clothes fit, the ones we want to wear.

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    Oh, Dubbles, what a pain in the a$$ about your computer! ARGH. Glad you're back up and running, and even more happy to hear the vey positive report from your trip and the start of your next round. Sounds like you're doing great. Hooray for that!!

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    I am so happy you are doing so well, MissM!
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    MissM...
    Seems like you had a great weekend and well on your way to a very successful ‘new normal’
    You are not planning on never consuming the bad things but will enjoy it on occasion without guilt
    Mindfulness at all times is key... and it seems it is important as BF is not... lol like sleeping with one eye open ... in your case.. eating!
    ~AKA Yvonne SA~
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlirtyFlo View Post
    MissM...
    Seems like you had a great weekend and well on your way to a very successful ‘new normal’
    You are not planning on never consuming the bad things but will enjoy it on occasion without guilt
    Mindfulness at all times is key... and it seems it is important as BF is not... lol like sleeping with one eye open ... in your case.. eating!
    LOL . . . SO true!!

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