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    Steak Day vs Correction Days

    There are some alternate correction days out there and I want to clear up some misconceptions. I never ever recommend anything but a steak day. A steak day is protocol. I think it works because intermittent fasting is actually good for you, helps you lose fat and gain muscle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting

    When you find a steak day doesn't work for you, it is likely because the gain is from inflammation from something you ate. Eat mostly protein for a couple of days, and the inflammation will likely subside and you'll drop down from the steak day, even if it's a little later than expected. Contrary to what you might have heard, a steak day does not slow down your metabolism. All the research about intermittent fasting makes this clear. Some have even lost a bit of weight in P4 by doing steak days every week. Some do other types of intermittent fasting to drop a few pounds. It is not harmful, and it is the Simeons protocol which I very much believe in. So when you are more than 2 pounds over your LIW, I advise a steak day.

    When you are less than 2 pounds up and you want to try another correction day, you might try an alternate correction day.I tend to not like yogurt days because dairy is so often the reason for the weight creeping up. So while you might lose on a yogurt day, you could be adding to the inflammation and the weight creeps right back. You can try a protein day where you eat protein every 2-3 hours. You might also try the Nora Gedgaudas method of eating lots of fats and limiting protein for a couple of days. That works for quite a few. An egg day is sometimes done, but it can be problematic as well since people with an autoimmune disease (and some of you have it and don't know it) should avoid eggs because the cooked yolks are inflammatory. Some do well with an Atkins fat fast day too.

    Hope this helps!
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    Grammy,
    I do not eat beef, but I think I am going to need to do a correction day soon (I was right at LIW+1.9 today, and will be correcting tomorrow if things haven't improved. I plan on clean eating regardless.)

    So, If I do a "steak day" and fast all day with a meat + apple dinner, is there another good choice for meat? Pork is also out. The only red meat I can tolerate sometimes is lamb. Otherwise, the other fattier meats I can think of would be chicken thigh or maybe king salmon.

    My second question is how people tolerate the fasting? I have found that P3 of this diet is leaving me with extreme hypoglycemic symptoms if I even wait an hour for breakfast in the morning. The same in the afternoon if I don't eat a proper lunch. This is kind of weird because I too am a believer in intermittent fasting, and would do it without problems before. I wasn't on a low-carb diet then, though.

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    I'm curious about Nora Gedgaudas and her method? Is there more information on this on the forum somewhere? Thanks!

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    No there isn't. You'll have to google her or buy her book.
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    I think the first post on this thread is really helpful, and gets into some of the nuance needed with figuring out how to approach what one eats. (That sometimes weight gain can be inflammation-related and you have to address that differently from other causes, not that it's easy to tell what a cause is!)

    Anyway, I wanted to ask in phase 3 how one tells whether to simply do what Simeons suggests (to correct what he calls protein hunger) - the eggs/cheese/steak day, vs. to do a steak day? Here's what Simeons says:

    Protein deficiency

    Here too, the explanation is quite simple. During treatment the patient has been only just above the verge of protein deficiency and has had the advantage of protein being fed back into his system from the breakdown of fatty tissue. Once the treatment is over there is no more HCG in the body and this process no longer takes place. Unless an adequate amount of protein is eaten as soon as the treatment is over, protein deficiency is bound to develop, and this inevitably causes the marked retention of water known as hunger- edema.

    The treatment is very simple. The patient is told to eat two eggs for breakfast and a huge steak for lunch and dinner followed by a large helping of cheese and to phone through the weight the next morning. When these instructions are followed a stunned voice is heard to report that two lbs. have vanished overnight, that the ankles are normal but that sleep was disturbed, owing to an extraordinary need to pass large quantities of water. The patient having learned this lesson usually has no further trouble.


    I'm in phase 3 ... actually scheduled to go to phase 4 but I'm putting that off briefly ... and recently asked in another thread: What would you do to counter 3-lb. gain in phase 3, after trip w/lot of walking?

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    It's clear what you do with a 3 pound gain: a steak day. That's protocol. The eggs, cheese thing is for less than that.
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    down 3.5 from my steak day ... now I am scared to eat ... I will have chicken with avocado for breakfast; steak with avocado for lunch; and salmon for dinner .... I have horrible TOM cramps this morning too ....




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    You did well!
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    Thanks Grammy - I am so worried about not being stable but I am taking your advice and for the next 3 days only increased meat and fats and then if I am stable from that, will add eggs and wait 3 days ... I wonder how I will know if I am eating enough though? I heard you can gain from not having enough but I am reading a lot about the leptin reset so just following that really ....




    start load: 218.9
    end load / day one: 222.4
    day 2: 219.9
    day 3: 217.2
    day 4: 215.4
    day 5: 215.0
    day 6; forgot to weigh before breakfast

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    You can add any other veggies as well as long as they are non starchy. If you're adding in plenty of fats and protein, you'll be fine.
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    That was such a helpful post.

    Just to be clear on it, wondering where you suggest keeping the calorie level (or if it matters) when doing this after a steak day that doesn't reverse a 2-lb. gain:

    Quote Originally Posted by grammy1952 View Post
    When you find a steak day doesn't work for you, it is likely because the gain is from inflammation from something you ate. Eat mostly protein for a couple of days, and the inflammation will likely subside and you'll drop down from the steak day, even if it's a little later than expected.
    It would be very easy to slip back into sparse phase 2 500-calorie eating but in phase 3 I am conscious of wanting to not have my body slip into starvation mode and hang onto weight.

    Also, tempting to try an hour walk the day after a steak day fails, but then I wonder if that doesn't exacerbate inflammation for some, becoming actually counterproductive. Anyway, would be interested in your thoughts. For now, after steak day failed to take off the weight, will eat frequent small protein meals and at least get to about 1200 calories but will try to keep it light and easily digestible overall.

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    I don't ever count calories. I don't believe in it. I would eat low carb for a few days after a steak day and see if the inflammation goes away, sticking to only meat and veggies. Good luck!
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