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    AW: The Ultimate P3 Correction Day: I Lost 2.6 lbs on a Chicken Thigh Day!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by GonnaLoseIt View Post
    WOW! No lactose at all for gouda or swiss cheese??? That's AMAZING! I'm exceptionally impressed. Perhaps I can indulge my addiction to dairy/cheese through re-introducing swiss or gouda. As long as it is free of rGBH, steroids, and antibiotics, I'll feel comfortable eating it. There's also a theory floating around that these things I mention I'd like my dairy to be free of can also cause a lot of the symptoms of lactose intolerance, due to them not being recognized by the body; they're "junk" that the body doesn't know what to do with, so it believes there's a reason to start an inflammatory response (because if it doesn't recognize something, that something is believed by the body to be a pathogen).

    Great info, Pensee! Thanks for posting this.
    That's exactly why people react to pasteurized & homogenized dairy.
    If u wanna b on the safe side, I d try to get some raw milk cheese (organic or grass fed if u can). If u r fine with that u can try regular organic/grass fed. Raw milk is best, but I think it's hard to get in the US.

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    AW: The Ultimate P3 Correction Day: I Lost 2.6 lbs on a Chicken Thigh Day!!!!!!!!!!

    Thinking of doing the chicken thigh day tomorrow. Did a steak day yesterday & lost 1.7# which is great, but don't really trust the loss. Feel Like it's gonna jump rt back up.
    So looking for something to sort of foster that loss.
    And since u don't ve any cal or fat restriction with the chicken thigh day, why not? But gonna stick to LR timing.
    Or do u think it's too soon. Today was high protein, but I did ve Greek yogurt (sheep milk, hope it doesn't mess me up) and a plum though.
    Anyway, my question, do u use chicken thighs as in the entire leg (1/4 chicken), or just the upper part of the leg?

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    Hi Pensee!

    I just use the thigh itself. No leg. It's not a "chicken quarter"....which is something I wouldn't know what to tell you anything about.

    And also...there is a calorie restriction with this day. It's not "eat as many chicken thighs as you wish..." it's just seven. Hope you didn't assume that this correction day is an unlimited amount of chicken thighs.

    CHICKEN THIGH DAY: RATIO IS REMARKABLE
    What I will say, which was remarkable, about this approach (Chicken Thigh Day) as I experienced it: it has a ratio of fat/carbohydrate/protein calories....that works out to be 58% fat calories, 0% carbohydrate calories, and 42% protein calories. This puts one's body in ketosis, which is the fat-burning mode we experienced in Phase 2 (albeit the fat was just "bad fat" in particular, which I can't say is the same exact case after Phase 2).

    Calories consumed: 1072.

    I don't believe the inclusion of the legs will help any. The thighs are likely fattier than the legs, and the key to the Chicken Thigh Day, I believe, is that you're eating more calories gained from fat than the calories you gained from eating protein. This is not to be confused with grams of fat and grams of protein (it's not a ratio of 58 grams of fat and 42 grams pf protein). The calorie load from one gram of fat is higher than the calorie load from protein. So, you'll eat more calories that come from fat than you get when eating protein. That's again, 58% of your total calorie intake from fat eaten, and 42% of your total calorie intake from protein eaten.

    USEFUL TRACKER APP
    I use "MyNetDiary (Pro)"....it's an iPhone app. It cost me 10 bucks to buy in the iTunes store, but is an absolute lifesaver. I can track the nutritional value of foods, find out how many calories come from fat/carbs/protein and their ratios to one another, see if I'm on track to my goals, et cetera. What's really cool is that I discovered the other day that within this same app is the same "recommended calorie limit" calculator that's used by the American Cancer Society. Now, hold on to your hats: the ACS site recommends, for someone trying to maintain a weight of 122.6 (that's my LIW)....to consume 1941 calories! So my "ideal calorie limit" is 1941 total daily calories.

    POST-CORRECTION DAYS ARE THE EXCEPTION
    Now, I want to stress at this point that the ideal calorie limit I just mentioned above is what your body would be burning if you haven't had to do any correction days. And it was the level that I was doing before I made a boo-boo in Phase 3 by eating too late, not drinking enough water, and over-doing it on the protein amount in my food eaten for the day...and as a result had to do a correction day. I didn't have any issues stabilizing until then, so I'd definitely say that the estimate made by the ACS calculator is correct for someone not having to stabilize coming off a correction day. As to the first correction day I tried...I did a Steak Day....then gained back everything I lost in that Steak Day, plus the same amount once more (so I gained back double what I lost) the very next day. And I had gone back to eating the same amount of calories I'd been eating before my correction day....I didn't ease my body back into eating normal amounts like I should have. But you know what? That's okay. That experience helped me figure everything else out!

    So keep in mind, the ACS calculator that helps you figure out your ideal calorie limit can't be what you immediately go back to after a correction day; you have to "ease" your body back into normal eating, because it's just endured being in starvation mode the previous day.

    This link is the calorie limit to use after a correction day: http://www.calculator.net/calorie-calculator.html (<-- use the "Sedentary" setting for this calculator) and THIS link is what your ideal calorie limit would be if you're not experiencing any problems in Phase 3: http://www.cancer.org/healthy/toolsa...ter-calculator (<-- use the "Lightly Active" setting for this calculator)

    BOGUS FORMULA
    For those of us that are petite, and are near our ideal BMI....the rumor that we need to work up to 11 times our LIW when we first enter Phase 3 is bogus. The calculator assumes that 11 times your weight is going to bring you above 1500 calories; 11 times 122.6 is 1348.6, and that already violates a core directive of that formula, which is to "eat a minimum of 1500 calories but not more than 11 times your last injection weight." That's a screwy formula anyhow. No idea where that came from. I didn't follow that formula coming into Phase 3, and stabilized just fine until I made a boo-boo and started having issues that drove me to find the ideal correction day for me.

    So, Pensee, I have no idea what adding the legs would do for results, but I'm pretty sure it'd throw off the 58% of calories from fat/42% of calories from protein (and NO calories from carbohydrates) balance that eating just the thighs would do. I can say, with some certainty, that any correction day that keeps this ratio would possibly maybe even work this well.

    Keep us updated! And good luck tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pensee View Post
    Thinking of doing the chicken thigh day tomorrow. Did a steak day yesterday & lost 1.7# which is great, but don't really trust the loss. Feel Like it's gonna jump rt back up.
    So looking for something to sort of foster that loss.
    And since u don't ve any cal or fat restriction with the chicken thigh day, why not? But gonna stick to LR timing.
    Or do u think it's too soon. Today was high protein, but I did ve Greek yogurt (sheep milk, hope it doesn't mess me up) and a plum though.
    Anyway, my question, do u use chicken thighs as in the entire leg (1/4 chicken), or just the upper part of the leg?

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    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

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    AW: The Ultimate P3 Correction Day: I Lost 2.6 lbs on a Chicken Thigh Day!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanx for ur quick reply. Well, actually chicken dark meat with skin has abt the same fat percentage, no matter where it is from. But I ll b adding wings to increase the fat just to b sure.
    Just barbecued a bunch of thighs, legs & wings. Yummy. Ll give it a try tomorrow, but eat as much as I want. Don't wanna restrict cal so shortly after my steak day.
    Ll keep u posted.

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    Hi Pensee! Glad to have helped.

    Curiosity got the better of me, and chicken legs on their own break down as 54% fat, 0% carbs, and 46% protein. So unfortunately, they are higher in protein and lower in fat than the thighs. Each is off by 4%. If you do include them with the thighs, they'll affect the ratio achieved with thighs alone. Which, well, I have *no* idea how much that would affect your losses. If you're not eating any carbs that day, you may do just fine. Dunno!

    Also, the calorie total will be affected with this addition. Depending on how big the leg is, and how many you eat with the thighs....keep in mind that the weight loss I reported was after I ate 7 thighs alone, at 1072 total calories for the entire day. One chicken thigh is 153 calories....but one chicken leg is 264 calories. Of course, there's no accounting for size with these estimates, but it appears at first glance that a leg will be higher in calories than a thigh will, generally speaking.

    If you do any kind of correction day, let us all know how it goes! I'll be curious to see how this all pans out. Good luck with your correction day tomorrow, Pensee!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pensee View Post
    Thanx for ur quick reply. Well, actually chicken dark meat with skin has abt the same fat percentage, no matter where it is from. But I ll b adding wings to increase the fat just to b sure.
    Just barbecued a bunch of thighs, legs & wings. Yummy. Ll give it a try tomorrow, but eat as much as I want. Don't wanna restrict cal so shortly after my steak day.
    Ll keep u posted.

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    AW: The Ultimate P3 Correction Day: I Lost 2.6 lbs on a Chicken Thigh Day!!!!!!!!!!

    Wow. Thanks for checking the ratio. The thing is, u can't buy thighs alone here in germany. They only sell the entire leg. Am adding wings though, which r higher in fat.
    Anyway, the point is, that I just did a SD yesterday & lost 1.7#. Today I did high protein (mainly beef). I m trying the chicken day not so much as a cd (too early for another cd), but rather to log the weight loss in, mainly cause I don't wanna regain what I ve gained. So I don't ve a problem with more cal or even with lower losses/ no losses. Just looking for a way to stabilize better. Chicken is perfect, since I am sensitive to co & mct. And am not sure abt dairy or nuts yet. With chicken I don't need to add any external fat to get my 60% fat in & no carbs as compared to avocados. And I love chicken thighs & wings.
    So wish me luck.

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    Oooh, no thigh-only portions in Germany...wowza! And congrats on the steak day working well. Stabilization is a pain in my opinion....so hopefully this modified Chicken Thigh Day you'll be doing in Germany because of this will do the trick. The wing addition sounds like a nice balance to the increased protein from the legs.

    I've become a calorie/macronutrient counting fiend. I know Simeons says to not worry about anything beyond just avoiding starch and avoiding sugar....but the scale going in the direction I didn't want it to go made me a re-believer in using my app for P3 as well. Was going to stop weighing food and whatnot, but when I gained my first week of P3, I knew I had to know what was going on, with details. Tracking my food has really helped me figure out what my body likes and doesn't like -- another goal of P3. Woot!

    I didn't do my correction days back-to-back, and I've heard that isn't a good idea anyhow. So have a good day with eating what you like; eating the chicken only may help your body resist a gain after your success on the steak day.

    I think if I ever have to do a correction day again, I'll do a no-carb day the following day just to make sure the correction day "sticks" well. I did this without even trying, the next day after my Chicken Thigh Day, and I believe that made the loss "stick" without my regaining anything. I've since kept carbs to a minimum on purpose, and have slowly increased them to just 5% of my total (overall) calorie intake per day. The most carbs per meal, percentage-wise, has been 10% carbs. I usually balance that out at the next eating (meal, snack, whatever that would be), which is always 3 hours and 45 minutes after I took my first bite of food from the previous meal.

    I love eating beef. It makes me have to chew less (smaller portions add up to my daily calorie and macronutrient needs). Macronutrients include, FYI for anyone reading this: fat, carbs, protein. So when you hear me say "macronutrients" that's likely what I'm referring to.

    Pensee, I'm sensitive to coconut oil too (abbreviated as CO for anyone reading this), and am considering doing the "Grammy's Laser Method" for reducing/eliminating food sensitivities. It's here on the forum somewhere....I believe it's a sticky. I'll update this post if I find it, and include the link to it if I do. I believe we can't laser food sensitivities in certain phases, but what those restrictions are, I'm a little bit fuzzy.

    When I get out of P3, I'll likely try the laser method of Grammy's. Don't want to do anything right now, as my body seems to be exceptionally sensitive to everything. That may be an advantage or disadvantage to lasering; dunno! Don't want to risk any goofiness at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pensee View Post
    Wow. Thanks for checking the ratio. The thing is, u can't buy thighs alone here in germany. They only sell the entire leg. Am adding wings though, which r higher in fat.
    Anyway, the point is, that I just did a SD yesterday & lost 1.7#. Today I did high protein (mainly beef). I m trying the chicken day not so much as a cd (too early for another cd), but rather to log the weight loss in, mainly cause I don't wanna regain what I ve gained. So I don't ve a problem with more cal or even with lower losses/ no losses. Just looking for a way to stabilize better. Chicken is perfect, since I am sensitive to co & mct. And am not sure abt dairy or nuts yet. With chicken I don't need to add any external fat to get my 60% fat in & no carbs as compared to avocados. And I love chicken thighs & wings.
    So wish me luck.

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    AW: The Ultimate P3 Correction Day: I Lost 2.6 lbs on a Chicken Thigh Day!!!!!!!!!!

    Interesting. U r the first person, except myself, I meet that is sensitive to co.

    Had 3 wings & 1.5 legs this morning for bab. Just had another leg for lunch. Totally stuffed. Also adding some hwc to my coffee to up fat. Let's c how it goes.

    Lasering is great. Lasered eggs & almonds during p2, and it worked well. U can laser at any phase. U just need someone to test u for muscle strength. But It's all described in Grammy's thread.


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    I had chicken thighs yesterday for lunch and eat the skin ! Let me tell you I felt bad eating the skin didnt know what would happen this morning ..but all is good YEAH!!! I will try the thigh day if i need a corection day ... They were soooo good !

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    AWESOME!

    I've come to believe that chicken thighs are the most perfectly balanced, ketogenic food around. And thank GOD I don't have a sensitivity to chicken!!!

    I may even start saving the chicken grease after eating chicken (dark meat), to use in other recipes. Ideally, I'd be using rendered beef tallow to cook everything, but that's hard to find (and expensive!).

    I've been searching for rendered beef tallow from grass-fed cattle locally.....but that is apparently a rare thing. And I'm in the Midwest! Wowza. Apparently, corn-fed/grain-fed cattle are so much the norm, finding a rancher/farmer who raises grass-fed cattle is the equivalent to a needle in a haystack. I have a call in right now to a rancher in the region (75 miles away, ugh), which is the closest I've found to a good grass-fed option. I'm waiting for the next time they butcher a cow/cows that's grass-fed, and hoping they save the suet for me (which is what tallow is in raw form, before it's rendered -- meaning, it's cooked down and purified). The last time they slaughtered a cow that was grass-fed, the people who had put an order in before me got the suet I wanted, and there wasn't any left over for me.

    When tallow is obtained from grass-fed cattle, you get Conjugated Linoleic Acid, healthy fatty acids, several nutrients, and so forth. It's exceptionally healthy, good for your arteries, and digestible! It's not hydrogenated, fake, or indigestible....unlike alternative cooking sources (think "Crisco" shortening).

    For those of you who've never heard of rendered beef tallow before, it's a nice way of saying "healthy, delicious, cooking fat," which nobody should be afraid to eat. In pigs, this same healthy, delicious, cooking fat is called lard. In both cases, it's "rendered" which is the cooking process to, for lack of a better term, "clarify" the animal fat. Sort of like clarified butter in appearance -- if you've ever gone to Red Lobster and seen clarified butter for dipping your crab into, you'll notice the solids at the bottom, the clearer, more "liquid-y" part at the top. So rendering is separation of the solids/chunks from the more liquid part of the fat (which makes it become an oil, essentially). And you keep the more liquid part, and use that in cooking and frying, and baking too!

    Unlike synthetic oils, which easily are rancid to one degree or another on the shelf, and have a bad content of polyunsaturated fatty acids (which cause inflammation), tallow has a high concentration of monounsaturated fatty acids. Also known as "MUFAs"...and they reduce inflammation! And...although I'm not a fan of eating corn-fed beef for any reason, especially beef that's pumped with antibiotics and hormones, "soup bones" at the supermarket are good for increasing the amount of MUFAs. Olive oils and other sources, such as almonds, also have MUFAs. But....marrow is ALL MUFAs! It's the best-kept secret of the MUFA world. You'll never see marrow touted as an ideal source of MUFAs on any list, because it's not a common food. And, the people who commonly put this information out on lists and whatnot, such as the folks at Yahoo! who write those Shine articles....they're usually writing to the masses. And vegetarians, though I'm sure they're probably well-intentioned, if they're part of the MUFA cheerleaders/writers of these kinds of articles, they're not going to list an animal source of MUFAs as a source of MUFAs. So, think of bone marrow as the neglected, forgotten about child of the MUFA world. It's all made up of MUFA fat, and is unusual by any other standards of fat found from an animal source. It is bone marrow, afterall. It's unique, and has a unique nutrition profile, because it performs a unique function in the body of animals.

    Link to rancidity of oils, a list of bad ones and good ones here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/healthy-oils/

    Link to why animal fat (rendered beef tallow, poultry fat, pork fat, etc.) is good for your cooking, and how to make/use your own: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/three...llow-and-duck/

    And for the record, Mark's Daily Apple has to be the most comprehensive site I've found on eating to live a healthy lifestyle, reduce inflammation in your body (which is the cause of many people's weight gain, even if they don't know it), and how to cook and eat exceptionally good-tasting healthy food. Lots of articles on health and nutrition there. And info on the Paleo lifestyle and diet as well. I recommend anyone reading this post to poke around at that site (Mark's Daily Apple) and learn more about nutrition, and how nutrition and everything we put into our mouths can affect not just our weight, but our health as well. Great site.


    Quote Originally Posted by melaniet View Post
    I had chicken thighs yesterday for lunch and eat the skin ! Let me tell you I felt bad eating the skin didnt know what would happen this morning ..but all is good YEAH!!! I will try the thigh day if i need a corection day ... They were soooo good !
    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

    I'm using "MyNetDiary Pro"...I highly recommend it. Huge, ACCURATE Food Database! It's at http://www.mynetdiary.com

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    Yeah, CO sensitivity is weird, but I'm an unusual person to begin with. LOL!

    Glad to see there's another unusual person out there like myself. Almonds are a sensitivity for me too! Dunno about the eggs. But...if that's a sensitivity for you....oh boy, perhaps it is for me too. If I have one, I'll let you know when I see it. Crossing my fingers on that one! LOVE eggs.

    I will definitely laser what I can next. Almonds and CO. I know you can laser at any phase....according to your post..........but I'm still a little scared to do so. Perhaps I need to just do it and get it over with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pensee View Post
    Interesting. U r the first person, except myself, I meet that is sensitive to co.

    Had 3 wings & 1.5 legs this morning for bab. Just had another leg for lunch. Totally stuffed. Also adding some hwc to my coffee to up fat. Let's c how it goes.

    Lasering is great. Lasered eggs & almonds during p2, and it worked well. U can laser at any phase. U just need someone to test u for muscle strength. But It's all described in Grammy's thread.


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    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

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    Do you have to ready exactly 7 thighs or can you eat more

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