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    AW: The Ultimate P3 Correction Day: I Lost 2.6 lbs on a Chicken Thigh Day!!!!!!!!!!

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    Danielle is right... sorry. I know how u feel. I love dairy, but u ve to make peace with the possibility that u might not b able to eat it or u might only b able to ve small quantities. But the later u reintroduce it the bigger the chance that ur body ll b o.k. with it. So hang in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GonnaLoseIt View Post
    Hi craezie.

    Listen, here's the thing. If you had posted your initial post here on the thread with a simple, "hey, have you looked at glycogenesis and low-carb approaches?" rather than 1. slam me on another thread, and mock my research and 2. come in here, on this thread and talk about how you "seriously doubt" my research and blah blah...I would have gladly had this discussion with you in a nice tone. I even would have inserted a few smilies, and been upbeat about it. Instead, you brought out my direct side, which isn't so nice to see.

    THIS post you posted this morning, I like a lot better. You've come to this discussion now as someone who clarified their issue, didn't start off with a "I doubt your thinking and I know more than you because of blah blah"....

    I personally DO NOT CARE if you've made mistakes on hCG. We all have. Even me. But if your credibility is based on alleged infallibility, or you're "better than ___" then you damn well better be of the mindset you say you are -- if you're a rational, scientific-minded person, you'd better have acted like one as you claim to have. And not act like a person who flames on others to get her point across, and approaches the very thing she purports to be a "virtual expert on" as a bull in a china shop.

    So, I'm posting my research soon -- a good chunk of it. We can talk about it then like rational, kind people. But if you're going to continue to act as though you want to tear down what we've all built together here on this thread, then please go somewhere else. Okay? I mean that in the most direct, honest manner -- I say that not with malice, but with honest truth. We all have enough negativity in our daily lives, and are looking for hope and encouragement from each other. Please come to this thread with that mentality -- open-mindedness and respect for each other's ideas. I'll gladly respond in kind.
    I read my three posts here, and the one on the other board, and I will certainly apologize for offending you. I do think you have jumped to some conclusions, as I have never expressed or implied the intent to "tear down what we've all built together here on this thread." I ask that if you wish to quote me, you actually quote something I said, as none of my posts contained anything even remotely related to the three above quoted interpretations. I do apologize for once putting the word "research" in quotes (on the other board), because I wrote that when I was a little frustrated of being accused of cut and pasting my issues from some mythical internet article (?), promoting blanket starch-binging on P3, and several personal attacks. My intent was never to be mean or attacking to you personally, and I haven't even disagreed with most of your research. I just have one issue with the effectiveness of the CTD and PCDS protocol relating to one specific situation. I have twice now clarified the parameters of that situation, so if anyone would further be confused or misunderstanding, they would not be reading carefully.

    As for GypsyDancer, I believe she was talking to me about giving up on exercise. As I said, I have given up on gym exercise. For over a year, I had a personal trainer with whom I worked out 3x per week, doing mostly high intensity circuit training and weight training. The whole thing was an abysmal failure, for some of the reasons outlined above. I now practice yoga at home and get my exercise walking and playing with my kids I do think you're jumping to conclusions to suggest that she has an eating or exercise disorder because of what she wrote, but that is up to her to address if she so chooses.

    This topic is thoroughly exhausted, Danielle seems to be doing well, and I'm stable and completed with P3, so this will be my last post in here--at least until next round! I'll look forward to seeing your research. I'm sure that I will not be the first to question some of your conclusions, so please don't take it personally next time --I think you are a very concerned person who has gone to lengths to help others. That is clear by the popularity of your thread. Good luck!

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    Good morning. GLI you ok? You've been MIA. Great news today I was down another .6 to 125.2 makes a HUGe difference on my frame and my stomach with just a lb or two at that weight. Thanks Jen!!
    I am 5'4" 44 yo. Was stable at 123 last round, lost focus, back at 144.
    R1 1/11 Started at 170lbs got to 140. Another round 9/12 got to 123. Goal is to get back in that area and hold under 130.



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    Ok I did the CTD yesterday and lost 1.2 lbs and now I am so confused over what I need to eat today! So far I have had 1 3/4 chicken thighs, I have a pint jar of home canned salmon and 12 oz of bottom round steak I can eat while I am at work and hopefully will be off around noon and can go get some fattier meats to cook up like a pot roast. But am I allowed to eat anything besides meat today and The whole calculations thing and inputting foods on that website confuses the heck out of me and doesn't seem to be too user friendly or maybe I am just ******ed and can't figure it out...lol

    I still have 2.2 lbs to go to get me back to LDW and am in my 4th week of P3 and still haven't stabilized

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    Haha I always say that "abs are made in the kitchen". So true
    Quote Originally Posted by Mini View Post
    Yah, yoga's too hard for me. LOL I have Hip Hop Abs, but never did try Insanity, even tho I get anxious when I see it advertised...I just have to walk away!

    I think tho, one of the most important things I learned from working out is "Abs are made in the kitchen." Which means that diet is 90% of your body, and no amount of working out will make a difference if you don't eat well.

    So I'm trying to figure out what that means to my particular weird body. *S*
    I am 5'4" 44 yo. Was stable at 123 last round, lost focus, back at 144.
    R1 1/11 Started at 170lbs got to 140. Another round 9/12 got to 123. Goal is to get back in that area and hold under 130.



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    Hi craezie.

    Listen, I'll make this post as brief as I can, because this chat you and I are having publicly is not a positive one, and it's distracting from the true purpose of this thread.

    WRONG FOOT
    Craezie, you came in here, in this thread, and acted confrontationally, for no good reason -- your FIRST post to me was nothing but confrontational attitude and arrogance, mixed with some ideas you happened to have about metabolic processes. And honestly, I'm not one for rewarding bad behaviour. That was bad behaviour. You got this conversation off on the wrong foot, to say the least.

    BETTER APPROACH
    So once again, I'll state this for you to remember: if you would have approached me with a "hey, have you heard about exercise, glycogenesis, and low-carb approaches?" I would have responded in kind. Unfortunately, you didn't. My skepticism apparently was not what you wanted to hear, as your subsequent actions have shown (you then posted negative comments about me elsewhere). That only added fuel to the fire. If you hadn't posted that first post to me in the manner that you did, we wouldn't be here having this discussion about our current discussion today.

    NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES EVERYTHING RIGHT AWAY
    Not everyone is going to accept your ideas immediately, as soon as you want them to, craezie. I'm a naturally-born skeptic -- when presented with new information, I need to know it's from a credible source. And based on your past actions here in the forum (how you conducted yourself in P3, with a sizable amount of carelessness, rather than a rational approach), you did not appear to be the person you were claiming you were. So I feel no remorse for not accepting your ideas immediately; I already knew you and how you conducted yourself through your other posts, and my surprise at where you were getting all your information from was justified.

    It was as though I was speaking with someone who had been a seamstress all their life, but then suddenly claimed they could turn lead into gold; quite unbelievable. Your actions and your attitude do not speak to me as someone who is a researcher, a critical thinker, or someone who knows what they claim to know. Forgive me; it just doesn't jive. So, the study you referenced -- I assumed then, and still do -- it was likely something you heard about somewhere, mentioned in an article. Until I see who funded the study (Big Pharma? Monsanto? Who?), what journal it's in, if there are other corresponding studies to back up the information you listed, and what other studies out there contradict the information you're giving...I will continue to doubt every claim you make with this information you're speaking of. And until you show me that you can speak in not just medical jibber jabber, but also explain it, I'll assume you're just copying and pasting, rather than understanding it all with a rational approach.

    LET'S BE FRIENDS NOW
    Aside from our personal differences on the topic, I respect your willingness to be skeptical yourself. That, I sincerely recognize in you. I admire that you cared to start a discussion with me on a topic you had doubts about, even if the way you did it was not initially productive. I invite you to post ideas, but do it in a manner of someone who is looking for an answer, examining details, and wants to work with others as "co-researcher" in a manner of speaking. Then, we can perhaps discover a few things together that will benefit everybody. I enjoy a verbal discussion that has to do with disagreement of ideals/ideas/results. That is, if the discussion is centered on research that is valid, and the results are repeatable; in that kind of a discussion, we can use our minds to discover patterns and processes together, and that would be AWESOME.

    CONCLUSION
    So craezie, if you can post ideas here that further the work we've all done on the CTD, and the subsequent PCDS, great. If not, and you can't seem to support these processes without ripping them apart with whatever justification you choose to use, then please withhold your posts. This thread has been a very positive experience for a lot of people, and although I really, really DO welcome skepticism, I do not welcome any posts that go beyond skepticism and evolve into negativity, and result in an attitude of "take away from" rather than "add to." If you can't help us further this strategy, then I feel you probably wouldn't be happy here.




    Quote Originally Posted by craezie View Post
    I read my three posts here, and the one on the other board, and I will certainly apologize for offending you. I do think you have jumped to some conclusions, as I have never expressed or implied the intent to "tear down what we've all built together here on this thread." I ask that if you wish to quote me, you actually quote something I said, as none of my posts contained anything even remotely related to the three above quoted interpretations. I do apologize for once putting the word "research" in quotes (on the other board), because I wrote that when I was a little frustrated of being accused of cut and pasting my issues from some mythical internet article (?), promoting blanket starch-binging on P3, and several personal attacks. My intent was never to be mean or attacking to you personally, and I haven't even disagreed with most of your research. I just have one issue with the effectiveness of the CTD and PCDS protocol relating to one specific situation. I have twice now clarified the parameters of that situation, so if anyone would further be confused or misunderstanding, they would not be reading carefully.

    As for GypsyDancer, I believe she was talking to me about giving up on exercise. As I said, I have given up on gym exercise. For over a year, I had a personal trainer with whom I worked out 3x per week, doing mostly high intensity circuit training and weight training. The whole thing was an abysmal failure, for some of the reasons outlined above. I now practice yoga at home and get my exercise walking and playing with my kids I do think you're jumping to conclusions to suggest that she has an eating or exercise disorder because of what she wrote, but that is up to her to address if she so chooses.

    This topic is thoroughly exhausted, Danielle seems to be doing well, and I'm stable and completed with P3, so this will be my last post in here--at least until next round! I'll look forward to seeing your research. I'm sure that I will not be the first to question some of your conclusions, so please don't take it personally next time --I think you are a very concerned person who has gone to lengths to help others. That is clear by the popularity of your thread. Good luck!
    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

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    UPDATE: I'm posting a massive blog post later today, one that will outline my thinking and the research I'm referencing in the development of these strategies. Will update you all when it's ready.
    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

    I'm using "MyNetDiary Pro"...I highly recommend it. Huge, ACCURATE Food Database! It's at http://www.mynetdiary.com

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    CONGRATS, shannon! I think that sounds good; check the canned salmon for soy lecithin. If it has that in it, then make sure you add some fats to the salmon. A good fat: ghee. It's clarified butter, found in the refrigerated section. Schmaltz too is good to add as a fat.


    Quote Originally Posted by shannon741 View Post
    Ok I did the CTD yesterday and lost 1.2 lbs and now I am so confused over what I need to eat today! So far I have had 1 3/4 chicken thighs, I have a pint jar of home canned salmon and 12 oz of bottom round steak I can eat while I am at work and hopefully will be off around noon and can go get some fattier meats to cook up like a pot roast. But am I allowed to eat anything besides meat today and The whole calculations thing and inputting foods on that website confuses the heck out of me and doesn't seem to be too user friendly or maybe I am just ******ed and can't figure it out...lol

    I still have 2.2 lbs to go to get me back to LDW and am in my 4th week of P3 and still haven't stabilized
    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

    I'm using "MyNetDiary Pro"...I highly recommend it. Huge, ACCURATE Food Database! It's at http://www.mynetdiary.com

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    Awesome, sweetie! Glad to hear it.

    I am SO happy for you!!!! You're welcome -- I'm more than happy to help, glad things are working out well for you. Made my day!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleY View Post
    Good morning. GLI you ok? You've been MIA. Great news today I was down another .6 to 125.2 makes a HUGe difference on my frame and my stomach with just a lb or two at that weight. Thanks Jen!!
    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

    I'm using "MyNetDiary Pro"...I highly recommend it. Huge, ACCURATE Food Database! It's at http://www.mynetdiary.com

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    My dad canned the salmon so it is pure natural fresh river caught salmon and nothing added to it. We don't have ghee or schmaltz in the stores where I live, rural small town with nothing! Can I use kerrygold butter instead? MCT oil?

    Quote Originally Posted by GonnaLoseIt View Post
    CONGRATS, shannon! I think that sounds good; check the canned salmon for soy lecithin. If it has that in it, then make sure you add some fats to the salmon. A good fat: ghee. It's clarified butter, found in the refrigerated section. Schmaltz too is good to add as a fat.

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    THAT is a great article, Mini!!!

    Thanks for linking this here. It really does explain a few things, for now. I'll have to start looking into this theory, and see how it corresponds to a few other things I've been seeing lately. Thanks for the heads-up.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mini View Post
    Here's a good article that's relative to the current discussions: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-y...#axzz2908TZKGU.

    10 years ago, I was one of those hardcore exercisers. Years before that too. I lived and breathed P90X and Taebo. I ate like a bodybuilder, I lifted like a crazy woman and punched and kicked my way to being really strong. The problem was, my weight never went down. I had fabulous muscles under that fat, plus I was constantly exhausted and hungry. Now that's no way to live.

    I'd like to get back to a little lifting but I'm afraid I'll become obsessed like previously, so I'm happy with some walking, stretching and basic, daily activities. I think keeping muscle and flexibility, while aging, is more important than having a 6 pack. Course, I'd take the 6pk if there was no work involved.
    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

    I'm using "MyNetDiary Pro"...I highly recommend it. Huge, ACCURATE Food Database! It's at http://www.mynetdiary.com

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    MCT oil has carbs, my dear. Not great for PCDS days 1 and 2. And we wanna kind of "re-start" your system in a manner of speaking, and make sure anything that COULD be an inflammatory agent is avoided, at least initially. Coconut oil has that potential, as in P3 it can cause an inflammatory response. Not so much in P4. Same for a lot of other inflammatory agents; they cause bigger issues in P3 than P4 (eggs in particular). This is why people say, "but I was always able to eat eggs before, and never had these issues"....but in P3, there are issues with eggs for them.

    Schmaltz I make myself, and you can too. But if you don't have the time to make it (it's just pouring off the grease of a baked chicken, placing it in the fridge, using it later), that's fine. The only reason why you'd have to use schmaltz or any other fat is because adding these offsets goitrogenic effects from goitrogens. Soy is the biggest one out there. So, if you eat soy, in any form (it has lots of names!), be sure to eat saturated (from animals) fat or fat from avocados.

    Avocados have carbs, which is why I didn't recommend you eat avos with your salmon today if it had soy lecithin.

    So, because you don't have soy in there, no worries on adding fats, ok? You'll be fine.





    Quote Originally Posted by shannon741 View Post
    My dad canned the salmon so it is pure natural fresh river caught salmon and nothing added to it. We don't have ghee or schmaltz in the stores where I live, rural small town with nothing! Can I use kerrygold butter instead? MCT oil?
    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

    I'm using "MyNetDiary Pro"...I highly recommend it. Huge, ACCURATE Food Database! It's at http://www.mynetdiary.com

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