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    Does anyone eat a lot of carbs?

    Iíve read a few threads about phase 4 and it seems people are still sticking to a very low carb diet. Has anyone been able to integrate a moderate amount of carbs (gradually) and maintain their weight? I was hoping to be able to go back to a normal (not low carb) diet eventually, just watch portions, but basically a calorie in vs calorie out method. In other words, figure out what my maintenance calories are and eat a good mix of everything and still maintain.

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    I eat a lot of carbs, but they are all whole food carbs. I avoid sugar and processed carbs. I find that the principle mentioned in the protocol for the guidance in P3 about not combining fats and starches is a good rule of thumb even after you leave P3. When I eat consistently very low carb, I feel awful. So I tend to lean more to the low-fat, carb based meals. I've maintained goal within about a 10 pound range for over 5 years now after losing over 75 pounds with HCG.

    So I've tried various formulas and have sorted out that the Trim Healthy Mama is best for me. The THM plan is a very balanced approach to a lifelong eating plan that is not restrictive or burdensome. It allows (even encourages a small amount of fat in a meal that contains starch (1 tsp), and allows a minimal amount of starch in high fat meals (6 net carbs from non-vegetable sources, berries ok) You choose the type of meal you want each time you eat.

    You can eat normally, but you'll get off the rails if your choices tend to a lot of processed foods and snacks. Those will mess you up. So if that's normal for you, it won't work to just watch calories. But it's ok--- You can learn to like new treats. ^_^

    I've found that calories in--calories out is basically a myth. The body is not that simple. Success is more about consistently fueling your body with enough nutrition that cravings and binges don't happen anymore. That's when you can be in control and eat according to your real hunger and be able to stop when satisfied.
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    Thanks for your response, Leez. When you say combining fats and carbs in one meal, or eating sugar will mess you up, do you mean because people have a hard time controlling binges when that combo is met, or are you saying after taking hcg your body will react negatively to that combo? Obviously, there are many people who eat sugar and fat and carbs all mixed together throughout the day. Someone may have a donut for breakfast, a nice salami sandwhich with mayo and cheese for lunch, a small serving of pasta for dinner etc and be a healthy weight.

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    Its not about the HCG. Its about your choices.

    Sugar and nutritionally deficient foods set you up to battle cravings. Not just for more sweets & chips, but cravings that cause you to eat more than you need.

    Having a donut for breakfast is a perfect example. It is fat, starch, sugar and calories with very little fiber and not much nutrition. Your body starts the day out without proper nutrition and the rest of day, tries to catch up.

    You can get away with that kind of body abuse when you are young and metabolism is high, but if you are older or have been fighting a weight battle, you will pay a price for that kind of eating.

    Eating the same way you ate before HCG is not logical, because that is what got you to need HCG. Once HCG helps you lose your extra weight, you have the opportunity to keep your loss, but you won't if you don't change unhealthy eating choices.

    I'm not sure there is any real magic to separating fat and carb meals, except that if you do it, you naturally make better choices. Like avoiding that breakfast doughnut. Instead, you might have oatmeal with apples and cinnamon, almond milk and small bit of butter. Or a veggie scramble with cheese and bacon---no grain based toast. But you could put it in a low-carb wrap.
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    Leez - thanks for clarifying. Just to note, the menu in no way do I think the menu I provided, particularly the donut, is a healthy nutritionally balanced diet. Nor did I mean to imply that’s how I would eat. It was just an example of how people eat sugars, refined carbs etc and can maintain a healthy weight. I agree eating sugar and certain refined carbs give cravings for more etc. I just wanted to see if you agreed that, taking human willpower and subsequent binges out of the equation, eating these things would not lead to weight gain if eaten in proper portions (eg not giving your body more calories than it needs). Obviously it’s not just about calories, we need the proper nutrition for our bodies to function at their best. For me, the thout of, you can have a piece of cake today because it’s your birthday, versus any day I feel like it, rubs me the wrong way and seems unnecessary restrictive. I know I cannot go back to how I ate before. I ate 4000-5000 calories or more a day of mostly crap. I’m talking about the old notion of being able to eat anything in moderation. Different things work for different people, I know. It’s whatever you can live with, enjoy, and keeps you in track. That’s the hunted after combo. For me, I know that isn’t “ok this is high in fat so it can’t have carbs, or this is high sugar, can’t eat it except a handful of times a year” won’t work for me.

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    Also, I hope none of that came off as bashing your diet choice. I think it’s amazing you found something that works for you. Maintaining such a large weight loss for so long is really inspirational. I know it will take me a lot of trial and error to figure out what works for me. I still have a second phase of hcg to get through!

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    I wish I could figure this out myself for P4. I eventually gain weight in P4 because of bad decisions and food binges.

    Leez, I too believe I need carbs to feel optimal. I do not feel well eating very low carb, even though Iím able to maintain weight easily, I have no desire to live on a lifelong low carb diet. For me, eating high carb, low fat for a day takes a lot of planning (probably because Iíve done low carb for so many years, it comes more naturally)...also, Iíve noticed when I do a low fat/high carb day while I enjoy eating the carbs SO much, I have a hard time sticking to appropriate portion sizes and Iím irritable, just as if I was doing low carb...so I feel like for me, I need a more balanced approach. I just havenít been able to figure it out though. Iíve actually wondered if Always Hungry that Grammy has recommended would be a good approach for me. It seems pretty balanced as far as incorporating carbs and fats but I read the book and the recipes seem complicated and you are supposed to have ďexact ratiosĒ which is a turn off. I felt the same way about FMD even though I did it successfully for a couple of months, it was just too rigid for me. I hated all her ďrulesĒ.

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    @kc: You can use the P4 time between rounds to try to find a way to eat the works for you. Its a chance to test out your theory and see if it works. The opportunity to practice maintenance might be the most important thing about those waiting times. The best scenario is getting maintenance figured out before the last round so that when you get to goal weight you can stay there.

    Some people find they can give themselves a free day every so often and stay happy while maintaining. For others, it opens the door to overeating the whole day, or to a continuous binge. But it might be an option for you if you find the right balance.

    I just wanted to see if you agreed that, taking human willpower and subsequent binges out of the equation, eating these things would not lead to weight gain if eaten in proper portions (eg not giving your body more calories than it needs).
    Maybe, for a while. Until overall nutrition gets out of balance again. Your body needs more than just calories, so reducing it to a calorie equation is an oversimplification in my view.
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    @justgitterdone:

    A day of low carb makes me feel bad. But I can't do whole carb days either. I need to mix them up meal to meal to feel well and also satisfied. Most days I'll do 2 carb meals, and one fat meal. Snacks usually fruit & some low fat protein.

    I don't know anything about the Always Hungry plan (I would be turned off by exact ratios, too), but I've done FMD, and The Plan, and THM is the most laid back of those. I agree about FMD--way too rigid for long term use. But it worked great to calm down my carb sensitivities, and that happened within the first month. So it definitely has some merit.

    THM doesn't plan out your low carb and low fat meal sequences for you. You choose by what is appealing to you at the time. No grazing--meals need to be spaced. That's probably the part that takes the most discipline at first. But very doable long-term. And you can ease into at your own speed.
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    Thanks for the tips. Yes, definitely hoping I can figure it out between rounds. It sicks bc my family is going on a trip to Mexico my first week of phase 4, so I’m worried. How slowly should I add back carbs? Thinking’s no burritos or chips or tacos, but adding a side of beans once a day? At first? Or is that too much too quickly?

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    If you really enjoy beans, that is a great way to start re-introducing carbs.

    Generally, when you are testing carbs in P4, you are testing for the serving size your body can handle. So you start with a small amount, like 1/4C. and then increase over the next couple days to the portion size you want to be able to eat. The scale will tell you if you've pushed it too far. Then once you've figured that out, you move on to the next starch you want to be able to eat and do the same. The reality is though, that almost no one has the discipline to take it this slowly.. And it is kind of a bummer to try and figure it all out while on vacation, so maybe the best way to deal with it while you are away is to just choose only the starch things you really like and keep to one small portion a day, then figure out the rest when you get back. mmmmmm..... fajitas, sour cream, pico and guacamole. ^_^
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    So Leez, what low fat proteins do you eat with your fruit for snacks? When I eat fruit for a snack I WANT something high fat with it, like peanut or almond butter, cheese or nuts...

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