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    Hey, Leez, just wanted to pop in and say thanks for being a Pioneer and sharing your THM experience. I know Grammy has been suggesting this way of eating for awhile but is helpful to hear real life experiences with the food style. Especially those of us with the genetic obese gene Dr. S talks about, I do think that's why we do well on HCG but it makes maintenance more of a challenge. I will be finishing this 4th round and starting P3 on Christmas day and plan to read and study up on THM over the 3 weeks of P3 and would like to give it a try when I start P4. I like the idea of some kind of support plan to stabilize and think that the low carb plans many are using are not good for me. So I'm searching and researching anything that might be workable. I have been avoiding gluten and I think that works well for me but need more of an idea of something that will fit with my bodies needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    I'll be interested to find out if adding one FP meal a day helps you get down some.

    hmm..looking over the last 3 days, my only new foods since before THE PLAN were sweet potato, and half tin of sardines in olive oil that I used on a salad. I had cleared sweet potato when doing FMD. I did have flax granola for breakfast yesterday, which was also the first time since starting THM, but doesn't seem a likely problem since I was eating it all through THE PLAN. One other new food would be gelatin. I've been trying to be slow with introducing things not tested on THE PLAN.

    But in this case, I'm thinking it is likely rebound from the steak day. I was going to use the other half of the sardines today, but maybe I'll hold off on that & the gelatin for a while. I think I'm getting back into confusion territory with testing again.
    Just a gut feeling Leez...but i would suspect the sardines...very high in sodium. glad you arent having them today.
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    Good thought, Rose....I pulled the package wrapper out of the trash to check. The serving size I had contained 110gm sodium. They were the Seasons brand, packed in olive oil. That doesn't seem terribly high, but I remember on the PLAN you were supposed to keep sodium in the chips serving to less than 55gms, so maybe.

    I didn't have those yesterday, so unless I just have cascading-reaction type of gaining pattern (I've had several of these bouts of multiple days of gaining) it doesn't sound like salt from the sardines are responsible for three days of gaining in a row. Unless...maybe I reacted to the sardines themselves. I guess I'll make a paté for DH out of the rest of it.

    DeepWaters, thanks for posting your thoughts and intentions. I really resisted locking myself into any kind of P4 plan for a long time, but it eventually became obvious that I need to find some kind of plan to keep from gaining. But it has to be sustainable long-term. I didn't find that true for FMD or THE PLAN. I hope this works out for both of us, because it does seem to be sustainable.

    What you said about obese genes reminded me of a study I read recently where they found that the gut bacteria in obese people is very different that in naturally slim people. They also found that in gastric bypass patients, after a couple of weeks, they also go through a major gut bacteria change to the naturally slim type organisms. They now think that this gut bacteria change is what is responsible for the complete end of diabetes in those gastric bypass patients after those same couple of weeks post surgery. I think that is just fascinating, and maybe there is hope for some of us with these issues that would involve some kind of gut-flora transplant---kind of like they do for Crohn's patients now.
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    I actually ending up with an FP lunch today, even though I intended it to be an E. I made the asian stir-fry but apparently added too many stir-fry veggies and was full before I got to my E fuel choice. It was very yummy. So we'll see how that goes today.
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    I'm not sure I believe the gastric bypass thing. Every single person I know who has had gastric bypass ended up regaining a bunch of weight back after a while. I do believe the gut bacteria thing but I've sure seen no evidence that gastric bypass effects a lifelong change.
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    an interesting article I stumbled across from Chris Kesser: http://chriskresser.com/are-you-lowe...han-you-think/
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    That article is fascinating. Especially the charts. I would have never thought beets were lower carb than onions and red peppers. Wow.

    On the gastric bypass people, I wonder if maybe the gut flora changes back after a while to the bad kind. Like you, I don't know anyone personally that has not regained after weight loss surgery. Except maybe Al Roker. And some people that have that done have died early, too. Its so sad.

    I got some great scores at Aldi's today.
    Grassfed beef and some good chicken, good buys on cocoa powder and spices, some organic veggies, and even a beautiful red ceramic pie plate. Merry Christmas to me!

    I got some of the Happy Farms cheese wedges to try. They don't have citric acid, but they do have xanthan gum. I'm not sure which is worse for me, since they are both corn derived products. I think I have been able to tolerate tiny amounts, so I guess I'll just try and see how I do.
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    I think what was most fascinating to me is that adding the carbs seems necessary to lose that last 10 pounds we so like to lose. That going lower in carb doesn't really help. Interesting stuff!

    that might be what happens-the gut bacteria might change back. I just shudder when I hear someone is thinking about the surgery. I always try to talk them out of it.
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    Wouldn't it be great if that was the key. That would fit right into my natural inclination toward grains and fruits. And looking back at FMD, those days tended to be the ones that I lost best on.

    Today I did an E breakfast, FP lunch, E snack and S dinner. So I mixed it up pretty well. Since I had breakfast early for me today, it worked out well timing-wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grammy1952 View Post
    I'm not sure I believe the gastric bypass thing. Every single person I know who has had gastric bypass ended up regaining a bunch of weight back after a while. I do believe the gut bacteria thing but I've sure seen no evidence that gastric bypass effects a lifelong change.
    My mother in law and sister in law both had their stomach stapled in the 80's when that was popular. They both gained at least some of the weight back. My mother in law passed about 2 years ago. She had major problems with bone loss believed to be from malabsorption issues related to the surgery even though that is was not supposed to happen with stapling as opposed to bypass.. My sister in law gained the most weight back. Actually all of it plus some. We just found out Thursday that she has colon cancer which has spread to her liver, lungs and brain. She is only 58yo. I cant help but think that this, at least in part, was due to the stapling. We are still waiting to hear how bad it actually is. Several years ago she was having major problems and had to exist on a liquid diet for months. The Dr.s finally decided she needed her gall bladder out. But they were unable to actually get to her gall bladder until they cleaned up all the scar tissue that was found inside her. Also believed to be from the stapling.

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    I always lost on FMD phase 1 and no other phase,not even 2. Weird huh?

    Terrible, Ginger! I just hate that stuff. Everyone I know has had major health problems too. It's so sad they submit to the mutilation suggested by their doctor and then suffer worse consequences.
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    It does seem weird. But it has to be a clue to something. Maybe for both of us. Although I did lose on FMD-2 some of the time.

    I really do need a clue at this point. I'm up again--almost a whole pound, and now a pound and a half higher than when I did the steak day on Monday. That's 4 significant gain days in a row and now I'm the highest I've been since the end of my last HCG round.

    I ate a wasa cracker with a wedge of the cheese that had the xanthan gum yesterday. So I'm suspecting its one of those this time. But my temp is still in the high range, so that doesn't make sense either.

    I'm doing another steak day today because I'm now in panic mode and don't know what else to do. I guess its back to plain stuff for a few days.
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