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    Thinking out loud here:

    There really is a psychological element to this process. We hear the cry for balance in life all the time. Yet, we were so far out of balance that we allowed ourselves to balloon up to unbalanced proportions and damaged our health. There is the concept of what is called "pendulum swing". What that means is that a pendulum swings to two extremes, one side then the next which is as far away from the first side as gravity or mechanics will allow it to swing. While it is true, that extreme changes must be made; we can have a tendency to go to the absolute opposite extreme and lose balance again. There has to be balance in here some where and we must find it if we are going to have hope beyond the diet. If we don't find balance while we are on the diet, it will be difficult to find balance when we are finished. What I want to do is find a balanced way of life as I go through this process.

    Yes, it is an extreme measure that is helping us make great progress. But, what about after we are done? If we don't learn about our bodies and what makes us gain weight, we will soon be out of balance again. I have a new friend who lost 125 lbs the old fashioned way, wrote a book, and has a huge impact on people through the program he put together. He is helping people change the way they live by helping them change the habits in their life. Now, this diet (HCG) does not necessarily make sense to him, but he sees that it is really helping me and others who have used it. He gave me an interesting statistic the other day when he said that only one person in a hundred who loses a hundred lbs keeps it off. He asked me if I had thought about how I will live after I lose my weight. I have been putting some thought into that. I just proved that if I am not careful, I will not stabilize and baloon back up. So, I am learning that I need balance.

    Yet, I have not found balance and had to come back to P2 in order to correct myself after the last round. This should not happen. I should be able to live in P4 without gaining. So, I need to keep working and not use HCG and a fallback measure for my health. I must be able to stabilize. Further, I must take ownership of my own stabilization or I will be back in the same boat I was in before I started. I am coming to the conclusion that the breaks between rounds are as much educational as they are rest from losing weight. If I eat the things that make me gain, then I am learning nothing. Once again, it comes down to the fact that we must be disciplined. I believe that discipline is what makes us use HCG and see results. But, if we don't find a way to discipline ourselves when we are off of HCG we will always have to return to P2 to correct our lack of discipline.

    So, if you are going through this. I think it might be as much help to realize that you yourself are responsible for keeping your weight off as you were for putting it on before you started. IF you don't take the right steps by stabilizing the proper way, you will always be out of balance and need to yo-yo yourself on and off of P2 and HCG. I do not believe that is the best way to approach not only HCG, but life in general.
    Jeff




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    Thanks to everyone who gave me pointers, tips and support!

    This forum is truly a blessing! I love the fact that on my worst days on this protocol I can come in here, vent about what I'm going through and leave feeling good again!
    A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step...





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    Dave - Down is down!! Hope you have a great weekend and have fun at the movies. I haven't even seen any ads for a new "Footloose". But I usually record on my DVR so I can fast forward through commercials. LOL!! I will have to check that out.

    Jeff - I so feel for you! Sure hope you can get some relief for your sciatica. I had that when I was pregnant with my daughter and it so very painful. At least it was for me anyway! Congrats on another 1.2 down.

    Phenomenal Woman - I was going to tell you the same things you have already heard. I would cut out the fruit for sure and I don't think you are eating enough. I didn't eat any fruit in P3 and just had a little in P4. Looking forward to eating fruit again next week. LOL!!

    Jeanette - Congrats on 1.5 down!!

    AFM - I am still under LPW and today is my last day in P4. I am loading this weekend with my first VLCD on Monday. Mondays are probably usually not a good day to start but for me it is. I am so very busy at work on Mondays that I barely have time to even think. Then my daughter has her last Cross Country meet Monday evening so I will be very busy. Hopefully I will be too busy to be hungry.
    Donna





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    Started HCG July 31, 2011 226.2

    Round 1 LPW 201 Lost 25.2 pounds

    Round 2 Post Load 205.5
    Round 2 LPW 180.7 Lost 24.8 pounds

    Round 3 Post Load 194.5
    Round 3 LPW 166.7 Lost 27.8 pounds

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    Lydia - Yuck! Back in the dentist's chair! Your head has to be in this as you know, and I can certainly see where it wouldn't be while you deal with that tooth. You're very close to goal. You can pick it back up when you're ready - or maybe the LR will get the rest off. I assume that's what you are doing with the mention of the BAB.

    Laurel - Well that explains it! Very tough on the emotions to relive that stuff. You absolutely should NOT kick yourself. I think you are dealing with it beautifully, and you know we are here for you. And we welcome you at 85. I'll probably be right here with you! When I did WW (didn't have the knowledge at the time to know the diet sucked) those weekly weigh-ins sure kept me on track. So glad your dau's friend will be okay. That was very scary.

    Smiley - Agree with you completely about the routine. Living alone, I can pretty much create my own routine, and I'm sure I'm a total pain in the a** when I visit others or have visitors and get my routine interrupted. I try not to be, but after a few days, I get totally cranky. At least I'm aware, but I probably don't hide it as well as I would like. I sent you a PM about "hot yoga". No judgment; just info. Interesting about the knee. Our bodies are truly a wonder.

    Blamp - love that saying!

    Abinco - Glad your bio-identicals are working for you.

    making - welcome to P3. I start today also.

    Everyday - seems like you have a lot of company right now having trouble sticking it out for the current round. Wonder why? Whatever you do, we support you. Listen to your body.

    Leslie - Hi there! Glad you are stabilizing. Series is 1-1. Told you I'm rooting for the Cards. on this one. We'll see how they handle being in TX.

    Hannah - So nice that your fiance and family are joining you on your journey. That support group will be very helpful for all of you.

    Emily - so glad you are feeling better. Tummy upsets could make your weight fluctuate. I wouldn't worry about it.

    Cerdiwen - Boo! Tomorrow for sure! Thanks for the WOOT!

    flychick - You are so funny! But I must admit, sometimes I still get confused about the acronyms. And I am a blond - sort of - with a little help from my hairdresser!

    Dave - yah for .4. Unfortunately, we have to take the little losses with the big ones, but they all add up.

    Phen. Woman - Think you've gotten really good advice about your P3 struggle, so no need to repeat. Hang in there, slow down a little, and you'll be just fine.

    Diane - you'll get that back down.

    Jeanette - Woohoo for 1.5!! Great way to go into the weekend.

    Donna - Happy loading! Not as much fun as R1, but part of the deal!
    Barbara





    R1: 172.2 to 155.4 in 26 days. 16.8 lbs. and 14.5 inches lost; P3/P4: 6 weeks; end wgt 154.6 addt. 2.25 inches lost. No CD's!
    R2: 157.2 to 142 in 30 days. 15.2 lbs and 8.5 inches lost: P3/P4: 10 1/2 weeks; end wgt 147 addt. 1 inch lost. Dang Holidays!!
    R3: 147.8 to 131.6 in 30 days. 16.2 lbs and 10.25 inches lost
    P3D1: .4 above LDW - WTH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsp27 View Post
    Thinking out loud here:

    There really is a psychological element to this process. We hear the cry for balance in life all the time. Yet, we were so far out of balance that we allowed ourselves to balloon up to unbalanced proportions and damaged our health. There is the concept of what is called "pendulum swing". What that means is that a pendulum swings to two extremes, one side then the next which is as far away from the first side as gravity or mechanics will allow it to swing. While it is true, that extreme changes must be made; we can have a tendency to go to the absolute opposite extreme and lose balance again. There has to be balance in here some where and we must find it if we are going to have hope beyond the diet. If we don't find balance while we are on the diet, it will be difficult to find balance when we are finished. What I want to do is find a balanced way of life as I go through this process...
    ... So, if you are going through this. I think it might be as much help to realize that you yourself are responsible for keeping your weight off as you were for putting it on before you started. IF you don't take the right steps by stabilizing the proper way, you will always be out of balance and need to yo-yo yourself on and off of P2 and HCG. I do not believe that is the best way to approach not only HCG, but life in general.
    Very well said! I have been thinking about this, even before starting HCG. I have been through a lot in the last 5 years and it's time for ME!!! I must find balance or I won't make it in life! Thank you!!!!!!
    Losing weight and feeling GREAT! So far!!!
    Kathleen




    ~ 11.6 lbs & approx 5" total loss to date ~
    Started 10/5/11 (Day 1 of loading) @ 175.2
    R1P2 Week 1 (-8.4) lbs
    R1P2 Week 2 (-3.2) lbs
    VLCD15: 10/19 163.6 (-.8)
    VLCD16: 10/19 162.2 (-1.4)
    VLCD17: 10/19 162.4 (+.2)

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    No gain, no loss this morning. Had coffee with HWC, and eggs! Rest of the day is P2 in a little larger quantities. Shooting for around 700 calories today. TGIF.
    Barbara





    R1: 172.2 to 155.4 in 26 days. 16.8 lbs. and 14.5 inches lost; P3/P4: 6 weeks; end wgt 154.6 addt. 2.25 inches lost. No CD's!
    R2: 157.2 to 142 in 30 days. 15.2 lbs and 8.5 inches lost: P3/P4: 10 1/2 weeks; end wgt 147 addt. 1 inch lost. Dang Holidays!!
    R3: 147.8 to 131.6 in 30 days. 16.2 lbs and 10.25 inches lost
    P3D1: .4 above LDW - WTH?

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    JEFF- I had a long post for you but lost it when dau's puppy jumped on the computer. So, liked your thoughts. 125 is nothing to sneeze at and staying with that is a big enough challenge for a bit. Some of us know our journey is going to be the path of P2 over and over, but keeping the mileage already journeyed is so key.

    OK. Have grandbabies, grand puppies all day today so gotta go. The little one has finally decided he can walk- (15 months). He can go so fast on crawling he is not sure the staggered walking gait is worth it. LOL

    AFM- 140 on the nose without doing anything more than clean P3 yesterday. YES!!




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    Highest weight 204
    Start HHCG 180 March 2011
    R1P2- 14.5 pounds/165.5
    R2P2- start weight 164.5
    R2P2 w3 VLCD 153 ENDED at 20 days- 152.5/ July 6
    R2P3 July 14- 151.5
    R2P3 July 28- 150.5
    R3P2 Sept 10- 151.5
    R3P2 Sept 18- 146.5
    R3P2 Sept 28- 140.5 START P3 again
    R3P3 Oct 6-140.5
    R3P3 Oct 18 -140 and P3 ends
    P3P4 Oct 19 starts
    R3P4- Oct 21===140

    R4 P2- start 148 feb 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsp27 View Post
    Thinking out loud here:

    There really is a psychological element to this process. We hear the cry for balance in life all the time. Yet, we were so far out of balance that we allowed ourselves to balloon up to unbalanced proportions and damaged our health. There is the concept of what is called "pendulum swing". What that means is that a pendulum swings to two extremes, one side then the next which is as far away from the first side as gravity or mechanics will allow it to swing. While it is true, that extreme changes must be made; we can have a tendency to go to the absolute opposite extreme and lose balance again. There has to be balance in here some where and we must find it if we are going to have hope beyond the diet. If we don't find balance while we are on the diet, it will be difficult to find balance when we are finished. What I want to do is find a balanced way of life as I go through this process.

    Yet, I have not found balance and had to come back to P2 in order to correct myself after the last round. This should not happen. I should be able to live in P4 without gaining. So, I need to keep working and not use HCG and a fallback measure for my health. I must be able to stabilize. Further, I must take ownership of my own stabilization or I will be back in the same boat I was in before I started. I am coming to the conclusion that the breaks between rounds are as much educational as they are rest from losing weight. If I eat the things that make me gain, then I am learning nothing. Once again, it comes down to the fact that we must be disciplined. I believe that discipline is what makes us use HCG and see results. But, if we don't find a way to discipline ourselves when we are off of HCG we will always have to return to P2 to correct our lack of discipline.

    So, if you are going through this. I think it might be as much help to realize that you yourself are responsible for keeping your weight off as you were for putting it on before you started. IF you don't take the right steps by stabilizing the proper way, you will always be out of balance and need to yo-yo yourself on and off of P2 and HCG. I do not believe that is the best way to approach not only HCG, but life in general.



    I think its important here to make the distinction between eating poorly on P3 and eating the ďrecommendedĒ way on P3 and still gaining. Me, like MANY others on this forum who have been here a long time and done Multiple rounds can attest, its not always poor eating that makes you run back to P2. Donít want to people to think this is all about eat this not that and you will win this thing because thatís not the case. You must figure out what YOU can eat. Just because some people can eat losts of fat and calories doesnít mean you can. I know I canít I made that mistake before, I know my limits of calories/fats/carbs now & hopefully will be successful next p3. Doesnít always work that way though.
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    Yes, Barbara- we can be 85 year old P2 buddies. LOL

    I am a lifetime member of WW....since 1978. Won't list all the diets between then and now.

    Big WW movement in the office and I can't help but notice all the regains......




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    Highest weight 204
    Start HHCG 180 March 2011
    R1P2- 14.5 pounds/165.5
    R2P2- start weight 164.5
    R2P2 w3 VLCD 153 ENDED at 20 days- 152.5/ July 6
    R2P3 July 14- 151.5
    R2P3 July 28- 150.5
    R3P2 Sept 10- 151.5
    R3P2 Sept 18- 146.5
    R3P2 Sept 28- 140.5 START P3 again
    R3P3 Oct 6-140.5
    R3P3 Oct 18 -140 and P3 ends
    P3P4 Oct 19 starts
    R3P4- Oct 21===140

    R4 P2- start 148 feb 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manydaystillfri View Post
    I think its important here to make the distinction between eating poorly on P3 and eating the “recommended” way on P3 and still gaining. Me, like MANY others on this forum who have been here a long time and done Multiple rounds can attest, its not always poor eating that makes you run back to P2. Don’t want to people to think this is all about eat this not that and you will win this thing because that’s not the case. You must figure out what YOU can eat. Just because some people can eat losts of fat and calories doesn’t mean you can. I know I can’t I made that mistake before, I know my limits of calories/fats/carbs now & hopefully will be successful next p3. Doesn’t always work that way though.
    I think you proved what I was saying here. If we do not educate during stabilization, we will gain and have to run back to P2. My thought is that we need to hold ourselves responsible for what we are doing so that we actually learn and stabilize rather than gain and have to return to P2. You absolutely have to know your limitations. To go outside of your limitations is not a very smart thing to do.
    Jeff




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    So many posts...so little time.

    Sounds like a few of us are feeling DONE about now. I agree with Jeff, you have to know when to take a good long break. The trick is to keep the break from turning into a relapse.

    I finally had a drop this morning, down a pound. Whew. I would have done something evil to the scale if it hadn't given me something today. We shall see where we are tomorrow on D1 of P3 (or maybe PI, we'll see how I feel on Wednesday). I'll be in Las Vegas (lost wages) for 5 days so it ain't going to be easy! Planning to just eat protein and nothing else for a few days, keep my meal timing in line with LR if not necessarily the BAB volume, and see where I am on Wednesday. If I gain I'll probably jump back into P2 for about 10 more days (then I have another trip). If I maintain, I'm going to keep going.

    Happy Friday everyone!!
    VLCD1: 8/12
    Round: Too many to count
    Phase: 2
    Method: Switched to injections from drops on 9/7

    Goal for this round:




    Overall goal somewhere under 135...

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    Jeff,

    I love your introspection today and your sharing it with us. We often talk about the mental aspects of this program, but I think sometimes we gloss over them and return to our focus on the scale. We get so excited about losses, we forget all the other "stuff" that has to happen to make this different from the hundreds of other diets most of us have tried. I'm only into P3 of R2, but I remember R1 getting so antsy to get back to P2 to lose weight - and of course this round, P4 is longer, so I'm sure it will be worse.

    As long as we are waxing philosophical today....I've been thinking a lot lately... and I'm going to say what I'm going to say with all due respect to anybody else on the thread. I guess I got started thinking reading through all the Leptin threads on the forum. For those of you have haven't been there, it seems a lot of people are having trouble stabilizing. And the leptin thing is the new approach to correcting that. It got me really worried/scared. I'm not doing this to have to continue to watch every bite I eat for the rest of my life, or to go on another diet to stabilize. I know basically eating Primal/Paleo is the healthy choice and I'm good with that, love it in fact, but Jeff as you say, we all need balance. I don't want to obsess about my weight forever!

    So my question is about "messing" with the protocol. Dr. S did his method for years on lots of people. While we don't understand it all (why spinach and not broccoli etc), we trust that it works, and it does. Granted it's been many years and there wasn't hhcg at the time, and there are a lot of changes in our food choices and quality, but we have *******ized his program a lot. Short rounds, long rounds, cycling, FFF days, egg days etc). And while it's obvious they work for people - that's what I mean about "all due respect", and we all have to find what works for us, I just wonder - how many people who have trouble stabilizing did the protocol as prescribed? Would love to hear from those that did and had trouble. That is my biggest fear as I stick really close to it!!

    And getting to the point that seems to be the theme the last couple of days on the forum (people having trouble sticking to even a 23 round P2), I think his timing was important too. After each round, you weigh less, so maybe? it takes your body/hypothalamus longer to reset properly? Maybe the mental break from P2 is more important in the long run in preparing you for the next round than the excitement to lose more weight? And maybe we just need more time when we weigh a lot less (after a few rounds) than a little less (after one)? And, Rx hcg or hhcg -it does impact our bodies. Maybe all the changes we make in the protocol don't let it do what it's intended to do long term? IDK - but I've been really worried about this. I know how we got here is really complicated, but I wonder if we don't make it harder on ourselves by constantly tweaking things for faster results instead of - as Jeff said earlier - enjoying the journey. Good things come to those that wait -- maybe? Thanks for letting me get this off my chest. Been thinking about it for a long time now, but was a little reluctant as I didn't want to - and don't mean to - criticize what anybody is doing, especially if it's working for them. Thoughts??? Really appreciate the insights of people here.
    Barbara





    R1: 172.2 to 155.4 in 26 days. 16.8 lbs. and 14.5 inches lost; P3/P4: 6 weeks; end wgt 154.6 addt. 2.25 inches lost. No CD's!
    R2: 157.2 to 142 in 30 days. 15.2 lbs and 8.5 inches lost: P3/P4: 10 1/2 weeks; end wgt 147 addt. 1 inch lost. Dang Holidays!!
    R3: 147.8 to 131.6 in 30 days. 16.2 lbs and 10.25 inches lost
    P3D1: .4 above LDW - WTH?

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