Warning: Difference Between Homeopathic and Hormone Free Drops

**Beth_M** · February 16th, 2011, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by jessyf

Hi, I am currently using the drops from Triumph but i was thinking of trying a different brand for my next round. I was interested in Yavonna as it states that it is less dilluted than most other brands.
I know you mentioned people in your family are using them. How is it working out for them? Also, are you familiar with cocoa's or selest's hcg?

less dilute doesn't mean it's better when it comes to homeopathy. Less dilute substances treat more specific issues. More dilute treat the broader spectrum. Yavoanaes hits both ends of that.

Of the 5 people that started on the Triumph's hhcg 10 days ago.. 2 of them (not in my family) lost 15 lbs in 5 days and quit on the weekend (I figured they wouldn't make it). My DIL and her friend have both lost 15 lbs in 9 days. My son has been a slow loser and I switched him to the pellets I had here to see if it makes a difference. He's lost about 13 lbs in 9 days.

None of them have any real hunger at all.

**csteiler** · February 16th, 2011, 09:02 PM

I am a bit confused. I wish I found this forum prior to placing my order. I purchased pellets from Nu Image. They don't say hhgc. Does anyone know if these work? Are they hhcg or rx grade hcg? Sorry I am new to this and so confused

**Beth_M** · February 16th, 2011, 09:06 PM

Look on the bottle for something like 6x, 12x, etc. That would definitely mean they are homeopathic. I'm pretty sure they are. If you had to fill out a medical form, they are probably rx grade.

**deelitefullyme** · February 16th, 2011, 10:03 PM

When I first wanted to start hcg I ordered from overseas but got tired of waiting for the order to clear customs so I bought locally and never used the oversea order. I believe it's the prescription one. Is this a good form of hcg? They said it was a generic brand of hcg but that it would work for most people. If so, I may try to mix it up and use it for my last round instead of finishing the pellets I still have left over from my previous round,

The box says
Rx Chorionic Gonadotrophin Injection IP
Samarth Life Sciences PVT. LTD.
Eugenic Division
Schedule 'H' Drug
Pack contains one vial of Lyophilized Chorionic Gonadotrophin Injection IP and 2 ml ampoule of Sodium Chloride Injection IP 0.9% w/v
Other items sent were
Methylcobalamin Vitamin B12
Colloidal Silver
5 Insulin Syringe 1 ml needles
Big plunger with 2 needles
Empty bottle with rubber top (believe this is where I pull the mixed injections from)
some green and blue sterile things labeled monoject 30518x1-1/2W/5pm FILTER

I also want to use them as drops (from the syringe) and not inject which I was lead to believe I could do.

It also came with instructions but they don't make any sense. If I do decide I want to mix this, can I send a picture of all the stuff I have and PLEASE have someone help me figure all this out?

Ugh, I wish I would have read these forums first and ordered from a US hcg company.

**kayemsi** · February 16th, 2011, 10:24 PM

I am new to the forum (1st post). I am on R1P2D17 and I have lost 12.5lb from my LDW (1st load day weight?). My hhcg drops are labeled Weight Off Pluss by Professional Health Co. I got these from a local health food store, The Sunflower Shoppe, that 2 friends recommended and had good loss using. These came with a Sunflower Shoppe produced booklet that says "hCG can be done with one of two variations: 21 consecutive day program or 42 consecutive day program. Depending on how much weight you need\want to lose, you may repeat either with a 3 week break in between programs."

My concern is that the 21 day program follows the protoccol and loads 2 day while taking drops,[10-15 drops 3x daily, recommeded a dosing syringe and 0.4ml dosage], and then do the VLC diet days 3-21, so stop taking drops at the end of day 18, and then day 19-21 is VLC diet with on drops. Most things I have read and especially "Pounds and Inches" insist on taking the drops for a minimum of 23 days, so don't stop taking drops until after at least P2D21. Then the booklet follows the protoccol for P3 for 3 weeks, before starting another round.

At the store they gave me a handout that says (and the staff also stresses) that they see the most effective loss when clients do the two 21 day rounds with a 3 week break. The staff and the booklet also stress that 550 calories is MUCH better than 499. They says never get less that 500 calories or the body goes into ketosis or starvation mode and then will start storing fat and gaining weight. This is not the recommendations I have seen on the forums, but I could just not be looking in the right place. My 2 friends just went all the way through the 42 days, before starting P3, and think the break between two 21 day rounds is just a waste of time.

I am quickly coming up on the decision point on whether to stop (and when) to take the break or just continue thru the 42 days that I have drops for. I would appreciate any recommendations.

**Beth_M** · February 16th, 2011, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by deelitefullyme

When I first wanted to start hcg I ordered from overseas but got tired of waiting for the order to clear customs so I bought locally and never used the oversea order. I believe it's the prescription one. Is this a good form of hcg? If so, I may try to mix it up and use it for my last round instead of finishing the pellets I still have left over from my previous round,

The box says
Rx Chorionic Gonadotrophin Injection IP
Samarth Life Sciences PVT. LTD.
Eugenic Division
Schedule 'H' Drug
Pack contains one vial of Lyophilized Chorionic Gonadotrophin Injection IP and 2 ml ampoule of Sodium Chloride Injection IP 0.9% w/v
Other items sent were
Methylcobalamin Vitamin B12
Colloidal Silver
5 Insulin Syringe 1 ml needles
Big plunger with 2 needles
Empty bottle with rubber top (believe this is where I pull the mixed injections from)
some green and blue sterile things labeled monoject 30518x1-1/2W/5pm FILTER

I also want to use them as drops (from the syringe) and not inject which I was lead to believe I could do.

It also came with instructions but they don't make any sense. If I do decide I want to mix this, can I send a picture of all the stuff I have and PLEASE have someone help me figure all this out?

Dee - I believe that is Novarel rx hcg. I'd post over in the General discussions about mixing for sublingual. Next time try nu image or new edge for rx grade hcg that is of better quality.

**Beth_M** · February 16th, 2011, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by kayemsi

I am new to the forum (1st post). I am on R1P2D17 and I have lost 12.5lb from my LDW (1st load day weight?). My hhcg drops are labeled Weight Off Pluss by Professional Health Co. I got these from a local health food store, The Sunflower Shoppe, that 2 friends recommended and had good loss using. These came with a Sunflower Shoppe produced booklet that says "hCG can be done with one of two variations: 21 consecutive day program or 42 consecutive day program. Depending on how much weight you need\want to lose, you may repeat either with a 3 week break in between programs."

My concern is that the 21 day program follows the protoccol and loads 2 day while taking drops,[10-15 drops 3x daily, recommeded a dosing syringe and 0.4ml dosage], and then do the VLC diet days 3-21, so stop taking drops at the end of day 18, and then day 19-21 is VLC diet with on drops. Most things I have read and especially "Pounds and Inches" insist on taking the drops for a minimum of 23 days, so don't stop taking drops until after at least P2D21. Then the booklet follows the protoccol for P3 for 3 weeks, before starting another round.

At the store they gave me a handout that says (and the staff also stresses) that they see the most effective loss when clients do the two 21 day rounds with a 3 week break. The staff and the booklet also stress that 550 calories is MUCH better than 499. They says never get less that 500 calories or the body goes into ketosis or starvation mode and then will start storing fat and gaining weight. This is not the recommendations I have seen on the forums, but I could just not be looking in the right place. My 2 friends just went all the way through the 42 days, before starting P3, and think the break between two 21 day rounds is just a waste of time.

I am quickly coming up on the decision point on whether to stop (and when) to take the break or just continue thru the 42 days that I have drops for. I would appreciate any recommendations.

The '21 day program' is wrong. At the minimum it would be 2 days of loading with drops... 21 days of low calorie diet with drops and 48 hours of vlcd without drops. You can do more vlcd days with drops if you wish. Most people stabilize better doing 30 days total.

**kayemsi** · February 16th, 2011, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Beth_M

The '21 day program' is wrong. At the minimum it would be 2 days of loading with drops... 21 days of low calorie diet with drops and 48 hours of vlcd without drops. You can do more vlcd days with drops if you wish. Most people stabilize better doing 30 days total.

Thanks for the reply! By 30 day total, do you mean days of drops (loading + VLC) and VLC without drops? Or just days of drops?

Also, what do you guys think about the 550 calories is MUCH better than 499? I sometimes have to struggle to come up with enough calories to get over the 500 what with a set amount for protein, 2 fruits, and no mixing vegetables.

From what they said, days of 496 calories could make me stall or gain. I have had several days with a +1.5 lb gain then lose the 1.5 lb next day for slowing of overall loss. I was wondering if this is because of the days of too few calories or from the days I managed to get 520 calores?

**Beth_M** · February 16th, 2011, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by kayemsi

Thanks for the reply! By 30 day total, do you mean days of drops (loading + VLC) and VLC without drops? Or just days of drops?

Also, what do you guys think about the 550 calories is MUCH better than 499? I sometimes have to struggle to come up with enough calories to get over the 500 what with a set amount for protein, 2 fruits, and no mixing vegetables.

From what they said, days of 496 calories could make me stall or gain. I have had several days with a +1.5 lb gain then lose the 1.5 lb next day for slowing of overall loss. I was wondering if this is because of the days of too few calories or from the days I managed to get 520 calores?

30 days of dosing.. so 2 days of drops for loading, 28 days odfdrops with vlcd, 28 hours of vlcd without drops.

I would stick to protocol and stay under 500 calories. 3.5 oz of protein per meal, one veggie per meal, one fruit (can be eaten as a snack), wash, rinse, repeat for dinner.

**kayemsi** · February 19th, 2011, 08:42 PM

I know I am not suppost to mix veggies at one meal, but I was wondering if I could mix the proteins? I have about 1.5 oz cooked chicken from lunch and 1.5 oz of scallops left from dinner, so I was considering mixing the two with some lettuce for a salad for lunch tomorrow. Any one know if this is a definite no-no?