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    Question Dosage Question - VLCD day 6

    My ND started me out on 10iu of injectable. I had expected hunger at mealtimes for the first few days of the VLCD, and really didn't want/need the 500 calories of food, but the hunger has gradually been increasing and I'm eating the full 500 calories. Day 5 and 6 I've gotten very hungry around 6 AM, and at each meal time and midafternoon. Shouldn't my hunger be dissipating instead of getting worse? Any suggestions? (I follow the original protocol faithfully.)

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    First we need to knowyour actual dose. 10iu is not enough HCG to do anything, so since you did have hunger suppression for a while, its seems that number can't be right.

    If it is right, 10iu is way insufficient. Doses below 80iu are thought to be ineffective.

    Did you mix your HCG yourself? If not, you will need to find out the mixing ratio of iu's of HCG to ml of bacteriostatic water.

    In the meantime, the way we determine dose change is to take a day where you skip your dose, and pay attention to your hunger starting from 4pm and into the evening (assuming you take your dose in the AM). So you can do that tomorrow while we are figuring out what dose you are really on.

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    Sorry, I am probably using incorrect terminology. My vial of Hcg powder reads "10,000 USP units". I was instructed to add to that the entire 10mL bottle of bacteriostatic water. My full syringe is labelled 1/2cc or 50 units. I am to draw to the number "10". Maybe that is equivalent to 100 in your terminology? Thank you for your help.

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    Yes, drawing to 10 on your syringe is a 100iu dose by the mixing ratio you listed.

    That is quite a low starting dose for a beginning round. A normal starting dose would be 125iu -150iu. However, now that we know what your dose is, we will be able to adjust it appropriately.

    I suspect you are low, and if that is correct, your hunger will get worse in the early evening on your skip day. The next day you would adjust upward to 125iu (or 12.5 on your syringe) If it turns out that your hunger disappears after 4pm, that would indicate your 100iu dose is too high. Which poses some different challenges in adjusting.

    Is this your first round? If not, what dose were you on at the completion of your last round, and were you hunger-free at that time?
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    This is my first round. I will skip tomorrow (Monday) and see what happens after 4 PM. So, if I'm hungry, I go up to 12.5 on Tuesday. Should I expect my hunger to lessen on Tuesday or will it take a couple days?

    If I'm not hungry after 4, should I lower the dose? I haven't been able to ask my ND because it's the weekend, but I can see what he says as well.
    Thanks again for the help.

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    You've got it backwards.

    If you are hungrier in the evening, you go up the next day (this is what I think is going to happen.)
    If you are not hungry in the evening, you would go down.

    I don't want to give a suggestion for a downward dose change just yet. Let's see how you do on the skip day. It would be very unusual on a first round to need less than 100iu.
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    As suggested, I am skipping my dose today, but thought I should mention something else... In addition to feeling hungry, I feel a burning sensation in my stomach, so I think I'm having some sort of stomach acid issue. I did not have any stomach acid issues before starting the Hcg. It feels better for an hour or so after I eat, then the burning starts up again while the hunger is still dissipated. The burning started gradually right around the time I started to get hungrier. This must have something to do with the Hcg, or maybe being on the wrong dose of Hcg. I'll try taking an OTC antacid. Just wanted to ask if you've heard of this before.

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    You have a couple of unique issues. I'm going to ask grammy to take a look at this to get an extra set of eyes.
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    It sounds to me like your dose is too low but how did your skip day go? Let's figure out your dose first then address the burning issue.
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    Thank you for your input! I was hungry all day even after 4PM. I heard from my ND in the meantime and he suggested taking 1tsp L-Glutamine powder 3x/day for the burning, and up my dose to 150. (I doubt he has anywhere near the experience with Hcg dosing that you folks do.) This morning I upped it to 125 and so far feel much better. It's only bee a few hours, but I'm not hungry and there is much less burning. So, if I'm on the right dose, I should expect to feel some hunger at all three mealtimes or only lunch and dinner? And, the hunger should go away quickly once I eat, right? I'm assuming it will take a couple days at this dose to know if it's correct?

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    Yes, hunger in the evening indicated your dose should be raised.

    It takes about 3 days for a dose to come to full strength, but that you are already getting some relief means we are going in the right direction. It may be that you need to go up again to the 150iu your doctor suggested. (Which is a normal starting dose.) Let us know how you are doing over the next couple of days. The L-glutamine is good for gut healing, but it can be an appetite suppressant, so it is possible that is masking some hunger. It is a common device used in dieting to stop carb cravings in a few minutes by dissolving small amounts under the tongue. If it is masking hunger, you can see how this might interfere with determining dose changes. So something to consider as we look at your situation.

    It is normal on HCG to feel a little hunger at regular mealtimes. But hunger that appears after eating, or is too intense to be ignored is the kind that is pointing out a dose change is in order.
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    Oh dear, I didn't realize L-Glutamine also suppresses appetite. If I'm using that, I won't know for sure when I'm truly hungry -- great. Should I try reducing it now or wait three days, then try reducing it and see what happens?

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