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    Lightbulb Grammy and Grammy's Groupies, is my math correct? Really need your help!

    Hi Grammy and Grammy's Groupies!

    So, I posted this on a new thread once before, but as it seems nobody has ever mixed their own nasal spray version here, I didn't get any responses. Which is understandable.

    All I really need from you guys is a check on my math. I'm putting this together ((mixing-wise)) myself, and although you the reader have never done nasal spray mixing, I'm sure if you've mixed your own sublingual or injection hCG before, you can verify if my thinking is correct on these calculations. All I need to hear from you guys is if my math is right.

    So, if you know about ml, I.U.s, and bacteriostatic water...read on!

    Here it is:

    A certain nasal spray bottle's output is, on average (between manufacturers) between 0.1 ml and 0.132 ml. These bottles can be adjusted so that one spray is precisely 0.125 ml.

    An I.U. is a measurement of potency. So, if I use 2000 I.U. and mix it with 1 ml bacteriostatic water, then I have a potency of 2000 I.U. of hCG per 1 ml.

    So, knowing how to mix to get potency, all I'm confused about is the math. If my ideal dose that I want to start off with is 125 I.U. per day (as Dr. Simeons used)...well, here's how I'm doing my math.

    I divide 2000 (total I.U.s I theoretically have) by 125 (number of I.U.s per dose that I want to have). I do this to see the number of doses are within the 2000 I.U.s (total number of I.U.s). There are 16.

    Then, I divide 1 (the number of milliliters or ml, which is the amount of total liquid I have) by 16. I get 0.0625 ml of liquid that's dispensed for each 125 I.U. dose.

    With the assumed output of the nasal spray bottle at 0.125 for each spray/spritz (range can be adjusted precisely from .1 ml to.132 ml, but no greater and no lesser), that means a half-spray is appropriate with these numbers; this is because the math that's based on these current measurements says each 125 I.U. dose is dispensed with a spritz of 0.0625 ml of liquid. So I'd either need to double my ml of bacteriostatic water or cut my use of hCG in half used in mixing, to make one spritz (of 0.125) equal 125 I.U.s of hCG (not a spray of 0.0625 equaling 125 I.U.s as the current math dictates). With a spray of 0.0625 equaling 125 I.U.s, that means it's more potent than one spray; it would be a double dose if I left it that strong.

    Again, I'd probably just double the amount of bacteriostatic water (the 1 ml becomes 2 ml), instead of cutting the hCG in half.

    Am I on the right track here?

    Thanks in advance for any and all help, everybody!

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    One more thing: I know liquid hCG (like with Hucog) might throw off these calculations. Not for potency, (I.U.s), but for calculating how much liquid is present after the mixing. Instead of calculating 1 or 2 ml total liquid volume as what would be calculated with a powder mixed with bacteriostatic water, the amount of liquid that's there when the bacteriostatic water is mixed with the liquid hCG will be more than 1 or 2 ml.

    Anyone happen to know how many ml's are present with the liquid hCG? Even knowing how many ounces would help. Some kind of liquid measurement, if you happen to know how much the liquid hCG is itself, please let me know. Thanks!

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    Grammy, I happened to see your post on another thread where it seemed as though you thought 2,000 I.U.s of Hucog were 1 ml in liquid volume when it comes in liquid form from the manufacturer. Is that correct today?

    So, building on my previous calculations...instead of needing to double the bacteriostatic water to make sure the 125 I.U. dose comes out at one spritz instead of at 1/2 spritz (0.0625 ml), I'd just....need to count the amount of liquid volume present in the liquid hCG in my calculations (which it looks like is 1 ml!).

    So....so far, that means the mixing recipe for nasal spray would be:
    • 1 ml bacteriostatic water
    • 1 vial 2,000 I.U. liquid hCG, which is 1 ml liquid volume (Hucog is 1 ml)
    • One glass bottle with an adjustable spray top, set to .125 ml per spritz ((still determining how many ounces/exact size this bottle should be ))

    16 doses are the result; 1 dose per day, so that's 16 days worth of hCG administered nasally. Total liquid volume amount of this mixing recipe when bacteriostatic water and liquid present in the liquid hCG are added together: 2ml's.

    Reasoning for this mixing recipe is stated above, in my previous posts. Here's a brief summary, though:

    2,000 I.U.s is potency, not volume; mix that with 1 ml bacteriostatic water and you get 2,000 I.U.s per 1 ml. Tally the liquid volume of bacteriostatic water (1 ml) with the liquid volume of hCG (1 ml) and you get total liquid volume of 2 ml. Which works out to be 125 I.U.s per spritz of .125 ml nasal spray, after 2 ml's are divided by 16 doses. Whooppee!

    Looks like the last piece of the puzzle will be determining how big a spray bottle I need to use. I can get the same adjustable spray top to fit many different-sized glass bottles. And once again, I'll mention the amount of each spritz will be set to 0.125 ml.

    I'll need to calculate how many ounces that 2 mls of liquid should fit into. I'll probably go a little larger than an exact fit, as I'd like some swirling room, and I'd like to be on the safe side anyhow. Better to be a little too big than not enough room!

    Grammy, if you're reading the conversation I'm having with myself here, please feel free to jump in and confirm the amount of liquid volume that's in liquid hCG (Hucog or otherwise).

    Have a great day! And, as always, feel free to comment everyone if you have any thoughts on this.

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    This is over my head so I can't really help you. Liquid hcg is 1 cc in the vial. At least that's what I've always gotten. Why do you want to do a nasal spray? Just curious. I hate nasal sprays. LOL
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    Thanks for the reply, Grammy!

    And thankfully, 1 cc is the same as 1 ml. Woo hoo! Thanks for letting me know that.

    So why do I want to do a nasal spray? Well, even though it's probably a no-brainer for most people to use needles, it would take a lot more getting used to for me than a nasal spray. Injections are a fantastic method for many, but it isn't something I see myself doing.

    Also, as sublingual has so many restrictions that comes with it (no eating x amount of time before and after, would have to hold it under my tongue for awhile, etc.), I wanted to find a method that had a high absorption like needles, without the need for, well, needles! All I'd need to do with nasal spray is spritz and go. And because it's done only once per day (and has a great absorption rate), it is a great fit with my schedule, just like injections would be. It's the best of both worlds imho.

    I've heard a lot about what brand to use here on this forum -- that Hucog is the best -- but I'm still on the fence as to which one to use. Honestly, I'd really like to use Pregnyl or Novarel, because they are brands I'm familiar with. But, I don't see many online pharmacies selling them for a reasonable rate. Is there a pharmacy you know of that sells either Pregnyl or Novarel, and if so...is it at a reasonable rate?

    Thanks again for your feedback, Grammy!

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    All the brands are the same, honey. You can use Pregnyl or Novarel just fine!
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    Thanks, Grammy!

    I have to say, I have a bias against Hucog and any other brand that's not Pregnyl or Novarel. I'd like to not have this bias, and hear that Pregnyl and Novarel are made somewhere overseas. Are they? Where are Novarel and Pregnyl made? Good goodness, I hope it's in India!!!

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    Yes they are made overseas too. LOL So many things are! I actually think hucog is made my novarel.
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    Oh, thank GOODNESS. I am wondering about Hucog, as it seems to have the best results for everyone; wouldn't doubt it's indeed a generic form of Novarel.

    Grammy, did you have much/any sagging skin after taking the Hucog?

    That goes for everyone else, too! Anyone have little to no skin sag after taking a certain brand? Please let me know what brand you took!

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    I've used only hucog and my skin has kept up very well. Of course I've been totally **** about taking the breaks too. After my 3rd round my skin didn't even start shrinking back into place until after 8 weeks so the good dr knew what he was talking about by mandating those longer and longer breaks.
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