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    Hi Grammy and Grammy's Groupies!

    So, I'm on a quest. To develop a mixing protocol for the nasal spray that works. I've got pieces of the puzzle, and now am asking the hCG Diet Info community for help! All I need from you folks is verification that my math is correct; please don't focus on the fact that this is for nasal spray at this point, as it appears nobody in this forum has ever mixed their own nasal spray. If you've ever mixed any formula for hCG and are familiar with ml, I.U.s, ounces, et cetera, you can help!

    Here's what I have so far for mixing calculations:
    A certain nasal spray bottle's output is, on average (between manufacturers) between 0.1 ml and 0.132 ml. These bottles can be adjusted so that one spray is precisely 0.125 ml.

    An I.U. is a measurement of potency. So, if I use 2000 I.U. and mix it with 1 ml bacteriostatic water, then I have a potency of 2000 I.U. of hCG per 1 ml.

    So, knowing how to mix to get potency, all I'm confused about is the math. If my ideal dose that I want to start off with is 125 I.U. per day (as Dr. Simeons used)...well, here's how I'm doing my math.

    I divide 2000 (total I.U.s I theoretically have) by 125 (number of I.U.s per dose that I want to have). I do this to see the number of doses are within the 2000 I.U.s (total number of I.U.s). There are 16.

    Then, I divide 1 (the number of milliliters or ml, which is the amount of total liquid I have) by 16. I get 0.0625 ml of liquid that's dispensed for each 125 I.U. dose.

    With the assumed output of the nasal spray bottle at 0.125 for each spray/spritz (range can be adjusted precisely from .1 ml to.132 ml, but no greater and no lesser), that means a half-spray is appropriate with these numbers; this is because the math that's based on these current measurements says each 125 I.U. dose is dispensed with a spritz of 0.0625 ml of liquid. So I'd either need to double my ml of bacteriostatic water or cut my use of hCG in half used in mixing, to make one spritz (of 0.125) equal 125 I.U.s of hCG (not a spray of 0.0625 equaling 125 I.U.s as the current math dictates). With a spray of 0.0625 equaling 125 I.U.s, that means it's more potent than one spray; it would be a double dose if I left it that strong.

    Again, I'd probably just double the amount of bacteriostatic water (the 1 ml becomes 2 ml), instead of cutting the hCG in half.

    Am I on the right track here?

    Thanks in advance for any and all help, everybody!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GonnaLoseIt View Post
    Hi Grammy and Grammy's Groupies!

    So, I'm on a quest. To develop a mixing protocol for the nasal spray that works. I've got pieces of the puzzle, and now am asking the hCG Diet Info community for help! All I need from you folks is verification that my math is correct; please don't focus on the fact that this is for nasal spray at this point, as it appears nobody in this forum has ever mixed their own nasal spray. If you've ever mixed any formula for hCG and are familiar with ml, I.U.s, ounces, et cetera, you can help!

    Here's what I have so far for mixing calculations:
    A certain nasal spray bottle's output is, on average (between manufacturers) between 0.1 ml and 0.132 ml. These bottles can be adjusted so that one spray is precisely 0.125 ml.

    An I.U. is a measurement of potency. So, if I use 2000 I.U. and mix it with 1 ml bacteriostatic water, then I have a potency of 2000 I.U. of hCG per 1 ml.

    So, knowing how to mix to get potency, all I'm confused about is the math. If my ideal dose that I want to start off with is 125 I.U. per day (as Dr. Simeons used)...well, here's how I'm doing my math.

    I divide 2000 (total I.U.s I theoretically have) by 125 (number of I.U.s per dose that I want to have). I do this to see the number of doses are within the 2000 I.U.s (total number of I.U.s). There are 16.

    Then, I divide 1 (the number of milliliters or ml, which is the amount of total liquid I have) by 16. I get 0.0625 ml of liquid that's dispensed for each 125 I.U. dose.

    With the assumed output of the nasal spray bottle at 0.125 for each spray/spritz (range can be adjusted precisely from .1 ml to.132 ml, but no greater and no lesser), that means a half-spray is appropriate with these numbers; this is because the math that's based on these current measurements says each 125 I.U. dose is dispensed with a spritz of 0.0625 ml of liquid. So I'd either need to double my ml of bacteriostatic water or cut my use of hCG in half used in mixing, to make one spritz (of 0.125) equal 125 I.U.s of hCG (not a spray of 0.0625 equaling 125 I.U.s as the current math dictates). With a spray of 0.0625 equaling 125 I.U.s, that means it's more potent than one spray; it would be a double dose if I left it that strong.

    Again, I'd probably just double the amount of bacteriostatic water (the 1 ml becomes 2 ml), instead of cutting the hCG in half.

    Am I on the right track here?

    Thanks in advance for any and all help, everybody!
    So. after months of going back and forth on if hCG was safe, effective, and could possibly live up to the hype, I've decided to go for it. Nasal spray will be the way to go for me.

    Using Wound Wash instead of bacteriostatic water, due to the reports I've heard from Dr. Belluscio's research that other mixing agents (bacteriostatic water included) did not work as well as saline did. Essentially, other mixing agents supposedly "degraded' the potency of hCG, to some effect. Not that bacteriostatic water is all bad; it's still a good mixing agent, definitely not a horrible choice. But, saline did better in his research, I believe.

    Will be ordering hCG soon enough, from an online pharmacy. I have a prescription from a doctor in my area, and I could actually get the hCG from a local pharmacy. But, seeing as they don't want to reveal with any certainty what manufacturer provides hCG at their pharmacy, the hCG solutions they mix up for prescriptions they mix up weeks in advance (!! yes, I couldn't believe it when they told me that !!), that they believe hCG stays potent for 2 months (!!! again, another thing that stunned me !!!), and the pharmacists who'd all done it hadn't stabilized properly (they reported gains over 2 lbs after a year)....well, I just don't trust them. They didn't follow protocol, they didn't have fresh hCG, and so forth. I'll never understand why people just don't follow protocol as Dr. Simeons laid it out; if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I mean, of all people, shouldn't pharmacists -- who should KNOW it's not a 'diet pill' that you can eat anything on, or you can let sit in your fridge for two months as if it's yerba mate or something -- shouldn't these people respect the advice of medical professionals after all?

    And, one last reason I don't trust them -- they don't sell hCG in small vials. Only the mega-dose vials of 10,000 IUs. Which means that....I'd have to make up a mega-batch and freeze small quantities, so the whole thing wouldn't go to waste on me. What a pain.

    So, I'm using the calculations I list (above), and mixing so two sprays (one in each nostril) equal 125 IUs. That way, if I need to adjust my dose for some reason or another and make it above Dr. Simeon's standard 125 IUs (2 sprays in this case), I can make it 3 sprays, then totaling 187.5 IUs, if need be.

    I'm buying a large quantity of hCG, so I'll have extra vials on hand to mix up another batch if I have to re-mix for some strange reason or another. I prefer the smaller vials (2,000 IUs), even though I'd be mixing more. It's less waste if I have a dosing issue, or if (for some ungodly reason) something horrible happens to the batch I make up (as in, I drop it on the floor, break a vial, etc.).

    I've found a few sites online that sell the nasal spray bottles that can be set to provide exact spritzes whenever I need them. I may even, to hedge my dosing bets, buy nasal spray bottles that provide a range of sprays that can be adjusted, much like how insulin syringes have the option of dosing in small increments.

    I'll keep you posted! (:

    Thanks for reading my thoughts. And for those of you who may stumble across this thread in weeks, months, or years to come, I hope that my experience will come to benefit your life in a positive manner.

    Have a great night, everyone! And, if you could, please say a positive prayer for me; please pray that the hCG protocol that I am about to experience is the blessing I believe it to be.

    -GonnaLoseIt

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    I somehow missed your initial post back in May. It was probably when we were in AZ with my husband recovering from prostate cancer surgery. Your calculations look great. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by grammy1952 View Post
    I somehow missed your initial post back in May. It was probably when we were in AZ with my husband recovering from prostate cancer surgery. Your calculations look great. Good luck!
    Wow, thanks Grammy! My condolences on your husband's cancer. Has the recovery gone well? I know it's been awhile; sorry for the late well-wishes.

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    Oh yes! He's been cancer free through 3 checkups so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grammy1952 View Post
    Oh yes! He's been cancer free through 3 checkups so far.
    Praise GOD! Glad to hear that. Yaaay!!!

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    Here's one place that sells nasal sprayers I'd potentially use:

    http://1-800-medical.com/nasal/nasal.htm

    FYI.

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    HI Grammy!

    An adjustment to my math I list above was made, because I wanted to make sure I used 2 spritzes per dose instead of one. This will make it easier to adjust dose potency if necessary. Meaning...

    So if each spray equals 62.5 IUs of hCG, that means I'd need 2 sprays total to reach 125 IUs for each dose. If I ever needed to strengthen my dose I could strengthen it in 62.5 increments. So, 3 sprays would be 187.5 IUs, 4 sprays would be 250 IUs, and the like. Instead of one dose being 125 IUs; if that were the case, then the next increment would take me all the way to 250 IUs for just two sprays!

    The adjusted math ends up being:

    -> .125 ml/cc liquid volume dispensed per spray for nasal spray bottles
    -> 16 doses is goal, because 16 doses of 2,000 IUs is 125 IUs each
    -> Need to have 2 sprays per dose; 16 doses multiplied by 2 sprays each = 32 total sprays
    -> 32 total sprays times multiplied by .125 ml/cc liquid volume per spray = 4 ml/cc total liquid volume

    If I use liquid hCG (pre-mixed Hucog), that's an automatic 1 ml/cc for it, added to 3 ml/cc sterile saline (also called "Wound Wash"). If I use powdered hCG, I need to mix that amount of powder (whatever it ends up being) with 4 ml/cc sterile saline. The physical amount of the powdered hCG is irrelevant in calculations, because it is ultimately the potency of the powder that arrives that is calculated. Now, if the amount of powder ends up being a LOT, then its physical properties will screw up how big it becomes when it's mixed in with the saline into the bottle.

    SO...the $64,000 question: how BIG is the powdered hCG that is sold at ADC and Reliable? In measurements of cups/tablespoons, please. Anyone know that?

    I ordered liquid Hucog yesterday...........so I hope that's what I get! I'm told that there is a 50-50% chance I may get powdered, even though ADC has assured me it's the pre-mixed (liquid suspension) version. We'll see! For now, I'm looking for 4 ml/cc nasal spray bottles.

    If anyone knows how much (in cups, tablespoons, etc.) the powdered Hucog is, please let me know. Thanks, everyone!!

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    The liquid hcg is 1ml of fluid. That's all I know. The powdered is a tiny little bit but no one is going to know what it is because it's in a sealed vial and it's never out to be measured so you're asking an impossible question there. LOL
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    Mixing for Nasal Spray

    I don't know if you perfected this or not. But I buy some pretty good hcg nasal spray. I like it better than injections. And I was a hard core and hard headed on anything except injections til I found this.

    I have not sat down and tried to deciefer the measurements. But maybe you can.

    I will try to attach the image files of prescription measurements .

    It's just a tiny bit of hcg. I am not sure what it's mixed with.

    I cant attach photos.
    Label says hcg 50 U/0.1 nasal spray

    16 ml ( not sure what this is about)
    1 spray per nostril once daily.

    This is mixed with 5 ml of mixing solution.

    Hopefully this gives you something to work with. The label says more measurements . I am not able to decipher.

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    I think I got it.. THINK not certain

    Ok, I am looking at my prescription. It says 50 U/0.1 nasal (I believe their (U) should be iu) 1 spray per nostril daily. I know it is mixed with 5ml some kind of mixing solution because I do my own remixes. .. not sure what they use to mix with.

    ok so if you have 2500 iu of hcg and you mix with 5 ML of mixing solution and you want your dose to be 50iu. the measurement will be 0.100 ML This will last 25 Days with a 0.1ml spray in each nostril.

    I asked my Dr why the IU was lower than the recommended 125 IU. She said they found the best results came from this amount. And because you your are snorting it, the hcg goes right into the system and brain faster. All I can tell you is it has been the easiest pound melting round I ever did. I cannot be certain these measurements are accurate, but thought it might be helpful.




    Quote Originally Posted by GonnaLoseIt View Post
    Hi Grammy and Grammy's Groupies!

    So, I'm on a quest. To develop a mixing protocol for the nasal spray that works. I've got pieces of the puzzle, and now am asking the hCG Diet Info community for help! All I need from you folks is verification that my math is correct; please don't focus on the fact that this is for nasal spray at this point, as it appears nobody in this forum has ever mixed their own nasal spray. If you've ever mixed any formula for hCG and are familiar with ml, I.U.s, ounces, et cetera, you can help!

    Here's what I have so far for mixing calculations:
    A certain nasal spray bottle's output is, on average (between manufacturers) between 0.1 ml and 0.132 ml. These bottles can be adjusted so that one spray is precisely 0.125 ml.

    An I.U. is a measurement of potency. So, if I use 2000 I.U. and mix it with 1 ml bacteriostatic water, then I have a potency of 2000 I.U. of hCG per 1 ml.

    So, knowing how to mix to get potency, all I'm confused about is the math. If my ideal dose that I want to start off with is 125 I.U. per day (as Dr. Simeons used)...well, here's how I'm doing my math.

    I divide 2000 (total I.U.s I theoretically have) by 125 (number of I.U.s per dose that I want to have). I do this to see the number of doses are within the 2000 I.U.s (total number of I.U.s). There are 16.

    Then, I divide 1 (the number of milliliters or ml, which is the amount of total liquid I have) by 16. I get 0.0625 ml of liquid that's dispensed for each 125 I.U. dose.

    With the assumed output of the nasal spray bottle at 0.125 for each spray/spritz (range can be adjusted precisely from .1 ml to.132 ml, but no greater and no lesser), that means a half-spray is appropriate with these numbers; this is because the math that's based on these current measurements says each 125 I.U. dose is dispensed with a spritz of 0.0625 ml of liquid. So I'd either need to double my ml of bacteriostatic water or cut my use of hCG in half used in mixing, to make one spritz (of 0.125) equal 125 I.U.s of hCG (not a spray of 0.0625 equaling 125 I.U.s as the current math dictates). With a spray of 0.0625 equaling 125 I.U.s, that means it's more potent than one spray; it would be a double dose if I left it that strong.

    Again, I'd probably just double the amount of bacteriostatic water (the 1 ml becomes 2 ml), instead of cutting the hCG in half.

    Am I on the right track here?

    Thanks in advance for any and all help, everybody!

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