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    Post FAQ about the basics of Cycling

    Q. What is cycling?

    A. Cycling is going from P3 to P2 without doing a P4.
    (See sticky Read This First: What is Cycling? or Cycling Concerns. What it Isn't for detailed information.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Leez
    To clarify the above, cycling is going from P2 to the next P2 without the full amount of time specified in the protocol. So anything less than the minimum 6 weeks wait (regardless of whether you do a P4 or not) would qualify as cycling.

    Q. How long should I stay on P2 and P3 when cycling?

    A. There are no hard and fast rules--it is up to each individual to decide what works best.

    • Some do 3 weeks of P2 and 3 weeks of P3, while others do 2 weeks of P2 and 1 week of P3. You can also do 2 and 2 if that works best for you.
    It is recommended to completed a full round i.e. P2, P3, & P4 prior to cycling so you know how your body reacts to the protocol. If you stay in P2 for any length of time, ensure you take enough time to let your body adjust in P3 before cycling back. Your body needs the break to adjust even if you think you feel fine yourself.


    Q. Is cycling the same as a "planned interruption"?

    A. No. A planned interruption is a term that has morphed from Dr. S's Unforeseen Interruptions of Treatment. It is not a way to accommodate a cheat or to eat off protocol for a reason such as a special event where there are off-protocol foods you wish to eat.

    From pounds and inches. Unforeseen Interruptions of Treatment: "If an interruption of treatment lasting more than four days is necessary, the patient must increase his diet to at least 800 Calories by adding meat, eggs, cheese, and milk to his diet after the third day, as otherwise he will find himself so hungry and weak that he is unable to go about his usual occupation. If the interval lasts less than two weeks the patient can directly resume injections and the 500-Calorie diet, but if the interruption lasts longer he must again eat normally until he has had his third injection.

    When a patient knows beforehand that he will have to travel and be absent for more than four days, it is always better to stop injections three days before he is due to leave so that he can have the three days of strict dieting which are necessary after the last injection at home. This saves him from the almost impossible task of having to arrange the 500 Calorie diet while en route, and he can thus enjoy a much greater dietary freedom from the day of his departure. Interruptions occurring before 20 effective injections have been given are most undesirable, because with less than that number of injections some weight is liable to be regained. After the 20th injection an unavoidable interruption is merely a loss of time."


    Q. Do I need to load when cycling?

    A. Yes, you should load. There are different thoughts on this subject. One is to load one or two days eating only P3 foods. Another is to load for one day eating whatever you want, but with moderate portions. Knowing your how your body reacts to different foods will help you to decide which loading method works best for you. Remember, the more you load, the more you may gain which equates to the more you have to lose if doing a short cycle (ex. 2 weeks).


    Q. When I start P3, how many calories should I eat?

    A. Remember when going from P2 to P3, your body has been getting 500 calories from the VLCD as well as the 1500-2500 calories from fat being burned due to the hcg, so be sure to get your calories up. You want to prevent your body from reacting as if it's being starved and thus hoard calories rather than burn them. As you should have already completed a full round, you should be familiar with the foods you can eat in P3.


    Q. What is the benefit of cycling as opposed to following Dr. S's protocol as written?

    A. People cycle for various reasons.

    • Some feel it is easier on the body to lose 10 - 12 pounds then give the body a chance to recover rather than lose 25+ pounds in one round.
    • Some like shorter cycles because they have a difficult time staying on protocol for 23 or 40 days.
    • Some feel that P4 is unnecessary until goal weight is achieved.
    There are varied reasons... people do what works for them and again, cycling does not work for everyone and it is not protocol. If you are new to hcg, please familiarize yourself with pounds and inches plus follow the protocol so you know how it works and how your body reacts.


    Q. Will I lose more weight cycling than I will if I do full rounds?

    A. No. Cycling is not a way to lose more weight in a shorter period of time. It is simply a shorter round and in which you should follow Dr. S's protocol.


    Q. What if I'm close to goal?

    A. Your last round should be a full round i.e. a minimum of 23 days of P2, 3 weeks of P3, followed by P4. P4 is maintenance for life so begin adding in sugar and starch slowly to see how your body reacts. One thing to keep in mind for P4 when adding back sugar and starch, you will most likely need to eat less calories and reduce your fat intake.

    From pounds and inches. Concluding a Course: "If no carbohydrates whatsoever are eaten, fats can be indulged in somewhat more liberally and even small quantities of alcohol, such as a glass of wine with meals, does no harm, but as soon as fats and starch are combined things are very liable to get out of hand. This has to be observed very carefully during the first 3 weeks after the treatment is ended otherwise disappointments are almost sure to occur."


    Q. I've reached goal and have stabilized in P3 and P4--now what?

    A. Now you are ready to begin lifetime maintenance. I cannot stress this enough: DO NOT go back to your old way of eating or you will gain all your weight back and probably more. You've worked very hard to lose the weight; be just as diligent to maintain your new, healthy body. During the diet, you should have become aware of the foods that help you lose, keep you stable, and make you gain. If not, be attentive now so you are aware of how you respond to different foods. The biggest error dieters make is thinking once they've finished dieting it's okay to eat whatever they want, whenever they want. No, no, no, no! The diet is the first part; maintaining is the second and final part. Go forth and eat like the thin person you've become. And congratulations!

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    Really nice faqs . I usually do the cycling but my trainer didn't tell me about the P2 P3 and P4 what are these ?please elaborate

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    Cycling?

    Hi I’m confused about one thing
    Interruptions occurring before 20 effective injections have been given are most undesirable, because with less than that number of injections some weight is liable to be regained. After the 20th injection an unavoidable interruption is merely a loss of time.
    Does this not mean you need to do 21 days minimum with your short breaks up to 13days? So that you can stabilise when you do finally go into P3?
    I did a long round 39 injections then saw this post and decided to try it. Now reading further into it I’m wondering do I need to do another 20 before cycling to p2? Or is is it just the first set of injections on your cycling round? Or is it not necessary at all to do 21 consecutive infection at all in cycling. I’m worried about stabilising in p4 if I haven’t. It says your safe taking breaks after 21 injections not before, regarding stabalization. Confusing lol. I have in the past done many rounds. So the diet is not new to me. But when you have had a break for 6 months surely you need to start over with atleast 21days going into cycling for stabalization reasons?

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    when you have had a break for 6 months surely you need to start over with at least 21days going into cycling for stabalization reasons?
    If you are following the protocol yes. Those sections your reference are talking about how to do an interruption within a round of up to 40 dose days. The interruption has a maximum time limit. Also, the protocol says you need to have 20 effective doses. The first three are not considered "effective", so after 23 dose days, you can safely do the interruption. No loading is needed if your interruption is 14 days (after the transition) or less.


    If you are cycling, all protocol rules are out the window. You basically start and stop whenever you like, reload or not as you wish, and deal with whatever repercussions there are. In the case of cycling, you are using the HCG mainly as an appetite suppressant. You are not going to get the full metabolic benefit, which comes from the resting the hypothalamus. This resting is what allows you to stabilize at a new setpoint, and allows your body to recover enough for the HCG to work properly the next time.

    It is important to understand what you may be giving up by cycling so that you can make an informed decision about it.
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    thanks for your response Leez. I’m going to give cycling a go I think. protocol is so hard when it’s so slow for me these days. I have some damage from some meds years ago and an unexplained reaction which means hcg seems to be the only thing that allows me weight loss. But I think I will do a 24 day cycle for target before my last P3 and p4 to make sure. As I know how to stabalization well on it. Thanks ��

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    I have some damage from some meds years ago and an unexplained reaction which means hcg seems to be the only thing that allows me weight loss.
    It is precisely for this reason that I have never messed with the protocol rules. I didn't want to waste this precious gift by trying variations on the one thing that finally worked for me.

    That being said, I think the first and the last rounds are the most important to do on protocol. The first gives you a baseline so that you can see if variations from it can work for you. The last sets you up with the best chance for long-term stabilization.

    If you can get from point A to point Z with a bunch of experimental rounds in between, more power to you.

    Good luck!
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    I will tell you I've never seen anyone get to goal and stay there with cycling. I don't recommend it.
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