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    Ya when I did a steak day that is all I lost too actually i think my liss was only 1.4 lbs and so not what most lose from a steak day.

    I think follwoing a steak day you need to really keep it clean for 3-4 days after wards as well and not add anything back in. I am trying a high protein day and have cut out everything but meat, avacado and a cucumber and praying I can get a nice loss. I am so frustrated with this P3 today is the last day of week 3 and I leave for Maui in lest than 3 weeks and I really need this weight stable big time before I leave! My last 2 rounds were pretty much a breeze when it came to stabilizing so this is just beyond frustrating for me and especailly to be able to keep all my weight off for more than 10 months with eating all kinds of things and then to have this going on....UGH!

    Not sure I am a believer in the chicken thigh correction ladies way of thinking for P3 and it really makes no sense to keep your diet so strict in P3 when it specifically says you can eat anything you want in P3 except starch and sugar. I have done 2 rounds and never had a problem stabilizing until this round and I know I caused this bad round by going off the deep end on day 3 of P3 and had I stuck to what I was doing and kept adding things in slowly like I was I would more than likely still be keeping my weight down. P3 is all about resetting your metabloism and finding out what foods your body has a sensitivity to and we all know that the most common ones are dairy, eggs and nuts and those are the pnes to really be careful with and just plain and simple adding things in slowly one at a time for 3 days and seeing how your body reacts to it. It's all about following the protocol abd sticking with it and i kow it works cause I have done it 2 times.

    So for me it's back to starting over with P3 and praying I can get things back on track before Maui on Oct 28th!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleY View Post
    Nonna – so glad your weight came off! Those of you that do not Nonna – she is amazing and no one has any excuses not to do HCG if she can do it they can too, she travels for work I would say from her posts 90% of the time had to eat with clients and is restaurants ALL the time and has had two (I think) successful rounds of HCG
    Danielle - thank you for the kind words, you always lift my spirits! Yes, two successful rounds although after the last few days, I was beginning to wonder....the information from gonnaloseit on the the other forum you mentioned is incredible. Wow, she is well researched and well informed. I think I had just about done everything she recommended the last couple of days (without knowing it) except I am still having HWC in my coffee. That just hasn't caused me problems, but with a big loss today, I am going to really watch it and see what happens the next couple of days. I know I wasn't eating enough calories for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleY View Post
    Hey guys, been a little MIA, so frustrated with these gains, did a steak day yesterday and on the forum http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums...igh-day-53697/ all day yesterday. She is very knowledgeable and I am hoping she can get me back on track. She actually gave explanations of the maybe and why's which was nice. Long story short: P3 body is so sensitive, I was eating enough and working out body back to starvation mode, i did great first 9 days but eating low and things like sausage and bacon etc.. lots of dairy may have caught up with me etc.. so you can read her posts and mine on there. I have a plan and hope to reset in P3 again and do it with higher calories instead of just jacking up my metabolism again. So P3 a little longer than usual but that's OK we are all disciplined or wouldn't be on here As far as exercise she mention that Insanity is very intense and fine later maybe in P4 my body's cortisol levels are probably out of whack too.. so walking and yoga or yoga type no intense cardio for now - yoga or yoga type which I need to figure out that will tone me up and that's my main concern right now. I can say I DO NOT want to gain weight again and yo-yo like I have my whole adult life - my skin cannot handle it anymore, this time my skin is way looser and may take a long time to bounce back it may not bounce back next time.
    I agree with her regarding calorie intake as well as the intense workout -- IMO intense activity is NEVER appropriate while on a very low carbohydrate diet. However, I totally disagree with her "research" regarding cortisol levels. You can read my response on the chicken thigh thread if you like. Again, just my opinion, but it is backed up by science and personal experience.

    AFM, if you remember I was stable to 2 weeks, then started gaining without changing anything. Also, my symptoms (headache, dizzy, etc.) were feeling worse, then I wasn't able to complete my steak day because of severe hypoglycemia and ended up on the mini-starch binge. Then I lost 2 pounds the next day, and I decided to eat some more carbs. The next day, yesterday, I was AT LIW. I haven't been at LIW since the first day. I have continued to have a small portion of starch at my most strenuous part of the day, and I'm back up .3 at my "stable" weight from the prior 2 weeks. I am going to see how things go, and how things affect me. However, listening to my body has proven far more effective than listening to one-size-fits-all approaches, and my horrible symptoms are gone since increasing carbs.

    I don't do any formal "gym" exercise, but I have a 5, 3, and 1 year old to run after all day, as well as the large amount of requisite housework that they come with. For me, at least, gluconeogenesis is not adequate to optimally fuel my body and my body has been screaming for better fuel. After 6+ weeks on a low carb diet, I think my body is too stressed.

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    Nonna and Gem: Welcome! I hopped over here a little over a week ago from September loaders as well

    Shannon: So sorry to hear about the gain. I bet the you'll be down tomorrow after eating clean today. I agree, if you're getting up at 3am that's just TOO LONG to go without eating!

    Craezie: Happy to hear that you are feeling better since adding some carbs back in. Everyone's body is different. It's trial and error a bit I suppose to get our bodies figured out!

    AFM: No fluctuation from yesterday morning. I'm 125.5 right now. LIW was 126.3 and P3, D1 was 124.3, so I'm happy to be between the two (even though I'd really like to be under the 124.3 I am pretty sore today from the 90 minute yoga class yesterday. I'll be taking a 60 minute class here in about an hour. Yesterday was a power class, but today is more of a stretching/strengthening class which always makes me less sore Anyway, I am totally addicted to the chocolate avocado pudding! That is definitely helping to make sure I have enough fats! I just realized I bought fff instead of FFF. BOO! I had that for breakfast this morning with some vanilla creme liquid stevia. Starting the day off with a lot of protein. Now I need to add some fat!

    This is day 8 in Phase 3 for me. Getting a little nervous b/c it seems like the trend is to start having problems after the second week
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    I had a nice lunch:
    Pan fried chicken thighs, big fresh tomato cut up and fried, sprinkle of cheese on the warm tomatoes, HM ranch dressing for the chicken. OOOOH, it was so good. Craezie and Shannon: I am not crazy about the chicken thigh lady's info either. Danielle's intense workouts are in P3, not P2. But even vlcd is not really vlcd due to the huge fat release. Exercise is not limited by Dr S.

    Gem and Nonna: Welcome

    Shannon: Can you do your steak day at lunch time? Maybe make some fajita type steak, slice it up for lunch?

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    I have been reading through her post correction day stuff and holy crap that is just way too much and way too confusing and wow way too much for my little pea brain to handle I guess! It just seems like there is so much too it and so much calculating and who has that kind of time to do all that, I am feeling totally overwhelmed by it all and this is the 3rd time I have read through it and I am still overwhelmed and confused by it.

    Not trying to cut her down or anyone else that is trying to do it by any means I think each to their own. But for me I am up at 3am for work, leave the hosue by 4:30am and I don't get home till 5:30-6:30pm and I just don't see how I can work her eating and planning into my schedule. It's hard enough to plan my meals as it is since I eat all my meals at work and have to prepare all my foods ahead of time and ya know some foods just don't do so well reheated so you really are limited to what you can pack and bring. I go to bed by 8:30pm so I can't even eat dinner at home in order to have at least 3 plus hours between eating dinner and going to bed. I have an hour commute each way to work on top of all this.

    Sorry just sounding off here and trying to figure out how others find the time to incorporate things like this into their already busy schedules. I supposse if I really wanted to make it work I could figure out a way as I figured out a way to do the Leptin Reset after my last round and it worked like a charm, wondering if maybe I need to go back to that time frame eating schedule as I am basically eating that way just not the eating within 30 minutes of rising part but follow all the rest of it so it's basically the post leptin rx way of eating.

    All I know is I want this 3 lbs to be back off and to stabilize and I want it to happen before I leave for Maui on the 28th

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    Quote Originally Posted by shannon741 View Post
    I have been reading through her post correction day stuff and holy crap that is just way too much and way too confusing and wow way too much for my little pea brain to handle I guess! It just seems like there is so much too it and so much calculating and who has that kind of time to do all that, I am feeling totally overwhelmed by it all and this is the 3rd time I have read through it and I am still overwhelmed and confused by it.

    Not trying to cut her down or anyone else that is trying to do it by any means I think each to their own. But for me I am up at 3am for work, leave the hosue by 4:30am and I don't get home till 5:30-6:30pm and I just don't see how I can work her eating and planning into my schedule. It's hard enough to plan my meals as it is since I eat all my meals at work and have to prepare all my foods ahead of time and ya know some foods just don't do so well reheated so you really are limited to what you can pack and bring. I go to bed by 8:30pm so I can't even eat dinner at home in order to have at least 3 plus hours between eating dinner and going to bed. I have an hour commute each way to work on top of all this.

    Sorry just sounding off here and trying to figure out how others find the time to incorporate things like this into their already busy schedules. I supposse if I really wanted to make it work I could figure out a way as I figured out a way to do the Leptin Reset after my last round and it worked like a charm, wondering if maybe I need to go back to that time frame eating schedule as I am basically eating that way just not the eating within 30 minutes of rising part but follow all the rest of it so it's basically the post leptin rx way of eating.

    All I know is I want this 3 lbs to be back off and to stabilize and I want it to happen before I leave for Maui on the 28th
    I agree with you Shannon. I think P2 was enough of a commitment, and while I am committed to P3 I cannot be overthinking this. It is just living, and not eating sugar and starches, and adding things in slowly. Keeping an eye on how things go. If I try to watch every mouthful I will drive myself nuts and be way too overfocused on food. That is now what P3 is supposed to be about, it is eating what you want except for 2 restrictions, and that is what I signed up for. For myself, I also have to watch carbs due to my size and insulin sensitivity, but that is fine with me. Sounds like you have a very draining day. Good luck.

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    I fully agree Lynne and I know it is possible to do it that way as I have done it 2 other times! I just screwed myself by going off the deep end day 3 and then this last weekend I had hard cider which I am sure had starch and even sugar in it plus no dinner that same day so I did this to myself and just need to get back to clean eating and slowly adding things back in.

    Quote Originally Posted by LynneR View Post
    I agree with you Shannon. I think P2 was enough of a commitment, and while I am committed to P3 I cannot be overthinking this. It is just living, and not eating sugar and starches, and adding things in slowly. Keeping an eye on how things go. If I try to watch every mouthful I will drive myself nuts and be way too overfocused on food. That is now what P3 is supposed to be about, it is eating what you want except for 2 restrictions, and that is what I signed up for. For myself, I also have to watch carbs due to my size and insulin sensitivity, but that is fine with me. Sounds like you have a very draining day. Good luck.

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    LDW was 178, I lost 2 lbs durring 72 hours thank goodness, because after first day I gained 1.6 back, but this has to be normal on first day, but feel stuffed and bloated and not really ever hungry.

    my day 1 was
    2 eggs w/ a lil chick breast, onion, pinch of shredded chedder, and 2 tbls salsa
    lunch- leg n thiegh from a freash rotisery chik w/ very lil brocolli n cauliflower,
    dinner-shrimp w/ butter garlic a lil Braggs, with orange ginger cauli rice out of p2 cookbook
    gallon of water, w/ some coffe and a detox tea.
    (this was a 1.6 gain)

    Today p3d2 I'll chill out,
    breakfast- small ribeye with onion and mushroom,
    lunch- a chicken breast of a rotisery chicken w/ very lil brocolli n cauliflower,
    and tonight i made the crock pot chicken from p2 cookbook, so we'll see if theres a lil drop.

    I made pepermint cocoa crack but i can not eat a snack, i'm litterally stuffed as heck,if your to stuffed for a piece of cocoa crack thats bad lol.
    so for now its 3 squares a day no snacks and i dont think this can even equal 1500-1700 cals so far.
    I dont remember gaining this much or feeling sooooo stuffed last r1p3, but crossing fingers tomorrow morning will see at least a no gain.

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    Madcane I would blame your gain on the rotisery chicken which is most likely loaded with all kinds of bad junk including sugar and tons of sodium. Plus you added in a lot fo new things on day 1 in the way of eggs, cheese and butter which can all be problems in P3 even if you were fine with them in your last P3.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadCane View Post
    LDW was 178, I lost 2 lbs durring 72 hours thank goodness, because after first day I gained 1.6 back, but this has to be normal on first day, but feel stuffed and bloated and not really ever hungry.

    my day 1 was
    2 eggs w/ a lil chick breast, onion, pinch of shredded chedder, and 2 tbls salsa
    lunch- leg n thiegh from a freash rotisery chik w/ very lil brocolli n cauliflower,
    dinner-shrimp w/ butter garlic a lil Braggs, with orange ginger cauli rice out of p2 cookbook
    gallon of water, w/ some coffe and a detox tea.
    (this was a 1.6 gain)

    Today p3d2 I'll chill out,
    breakfast- small ribeye with onion and mushroom,
    lunch- a chicken breast of a rotisery chicken w/ very lil brocolli n cauliflower,
    and tonight i made the crock pot chicken from p2 cookbook, so we'll see if theres a lil drop.

    I made pepermint cocoa crack but i can not eat a snack, i'm litterally stuffed as heck,if your to stuffed for a piece of cocoa crack thats bad lol.
    so for now its 3 squares a day no snacks and i dont think this can even equal 1500-1700 cals so far.
    I dont remember gaining this much or feeling sooooo stuffed last r1p3, but crossing fingers tomorrow morning will see at least a no gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shannon741 View Post
    Madcane I would blame your gain on the rotisery chicken which is most likely loaded with all kinds of bad junk including sugar and tons of sodium. Plus you added in a lot fo new things on day 1 in the way of eggs, cheese and butter which can all be problems in P3 even if you were fine with them in your last P3.
    lol, I thought they just shoved a stick through it and spun it around, haha. It was from a good Italian place and it was fresh off the rack and soooo good lol.
    Its hard not to go crazy on the first day, last time I made a huge Cauliflower pizza on the first day lol, but I cooked out of that phase 2 cookbook for months and thats probably why I was good for 6 months, untill some august vacations.
    Thats why today and the rest of phase 3 I'm going back to the meals in the p2 cookbook and just eat a little bigger portion.
    but saturday Im going to try the coconut flower pancakes
    Sunday I want to try the cheese crust pizza out of the food **** thread.
    I'm confused though, i thought we were'nt supposed to have dairy, but every one has all those cream cheese and more cheese with heavy cream recipies in that section? what gives with that ?

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    As far as I know it doesn't say any place in the protocol we can't have dairy it just says no sugar and no starch for P3. I did 2 rounds prior to this one and I took things really slow and added in eggs, HWC and cheese pretty much all within the first 3 weeks of both rounds and did just fine with stabilizing and kept every bit of weight off for over 10 months prior to doing this last round but I also never ever ate anything else that was not allowed and I pretty much just stuck with fattier meats and tons of vegi's. This round however I fell face first into all kinds of bad things on day 3 of P3 and can't get it to stabilize for the life of me so I am cutting everything back out and starting over.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadCane View Post
    lol, I thought they just shoved a stick through it and spun it around, haha. It was from a good Italian place and it was fresh off the rack and soooo good lol.
    Its hard not to go crazy on the first day, last time I made a huge Cauliflower pizza on the first day lol, but I cooked out of that phase 2 cookbook for months and thats probably why I was good for 6 months, untill some august vacations.
    Thats why today and the rest of phase 3 I'm going back to the meals in the p2 cookbook and just eat a little bigger portion.
    but saturday Im going to try the coconut flower pancakes
    Sunday I want to try the cheese crust pizza out of the food **** thread.
    I'm confused though, i thought we were'nt supposed to have dairy, but every one has all those cream cheese and more cheese with heavy cream recipies in that section? what gives with that ?

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