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    Hiya, craezie!

    So, I replied to you on the other thread. Glad to see I'm the topic of conversation in your thread here, no matter if what you say is true or not about me. It's nice to be thought of!

    And, guess what? When you talk about the hard work and research I've done -- which is combing through medical journals, looking at YEARS of forum posts, and getting to know the wide range of medical issues many people have and their reactions to various macronutrients -- you do not need to place the word research in quotation marks, when referring to the research I've come to live by. The research articles I reference and the personal research I've done is far more extensive, I'll bet, and comprehensive than anything you can look at in a magazine article -- the magazine article you apparently read to get all your information from.



    Quote Originally Posted by craezie View Post
    I agree with her regarding calorie intake as well as the intense workout -- IMO intense activity is NEVER appropriate while on a very low carbohydrate diet. However, I totally disagree with her "research" regarding cortisol levels. You can read my response on the chicken thigh thread if you like. Again, just my opinion, but it is backed up by science and personal experience.

    AFM, if you remember I was stable to 2 weeks, then started gaining without changing anything. Also, my symptoms (headache, dizzy, etc.) were feeling worse, then I wasn't able to complete my steak day because of severe hypoglycemia and ended up on the mini-starch binge. Then I lost 2 pounds the next day, and I decided to eat some more carbs. The next day, yesterday, I was AT LIW. I haven't been at LIW since the first day. I have continued to have a small portion of starch at my most strenuous part of the day, and I'm back up .3 at my "stable" weight from the prior 2 weeks. I am going to see how things go, and how things affect me. However, listening to my body has proven far more effective than listening to one-size-fits-all approaches, and my horrible symptoms are gone since increasing carbs.

    I don't do any formal "gym" exercise, but I have a 5, 3, and 1 year old to run after all day, as well as the large amount of requisite housework that they come with. For me, at least, gluconeogenesis is not adequate to optimally fuel my body and my body has been screaming for better fuel. After 6+ weeks on a low carb diet, I think my body is too stressed.
    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

    Wondering how you can hold your loss after the Chicken Thigh Day, or any correction day? Try the "Post-Correction Day Strategy" (PCDS): http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16711

    I'm using "MyNetDiary Pro"...I highly recommend it. Huge, ACCURATE Food Database! It's at http://www.mynetdiary.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by shannon741 View Post
    As far as I know it doesn't say any place in the protocol we can't have dairy it just says no sugar and no starch for P3. I did 2 rounds prior to this one and I took things really slow and added in eggs, HWC and cheese pretty much all within the first 3 weeks of both rounds and did just fine with stabilizing and kept every bit of weight off for over 10 months prior to doing this last round but I also never ever ate anything else that was not allowed and I pretty much just stuck with fattier meats and tons of vegi's. This round however I fell face first into all kinds of bad things on day 3 of P3 and can't get it to stabilize for the life of me so I am cutting everything back out and starting over.
    sounds like we're in the same boat this time, lol
    Last time I did take it slower starting p3, and cheese I treated like a special dessert and would have a slice on a dinner meal like twice a week for a treat.
    And I'm also not going to look in that food **** thread again, its the devil !!!!!

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    I never look at the food **** thread just for that reason and because I never have time to cook cool stuff so I just keep it simple and it seems to work better at stabilizing.

    We will get there we just need to go slower and one day at a time!! Plus we have done this before we can do it again!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MadCane View Post
    sounds like we're in the same boat this time, lol
    Last time I did take it slower starting p3, and cheese I treated like a special dessert and would have a slice on a dinner meal like twice a week for a treat.
    And I'm also not going to look in that food **** thread again, its the devil !!!!!

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    It's crazy how different two rounds can be, last P3 I could cheat , eat out, eat some protein the next day and be A OK and held the same weight for a year and a half this round forget about it ?? I will blame mine on peri-menopause this time, sounds good, haha. Better to get this under control now then when true menopause hits not looking forward to that
    I am 5'4" 44 yo. Was stable at 123 last round, lost focus, back at 144.
    R1 1/11 Started at 170lbs got to 140. Another round 9/12 got to 123. Goal is to get back in that area and hold under 130.



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    I also think for me I was expecting it to just be like I never did another P2 and i could just go back to eating how i was and it wouldbe fine. The part I forgot about was that I was 10 months into maintenance and had taken my P3 slow in the begining and didn't do a face plant into a bunch of bad foods on day 3 in my other rounds and never would of dreamt of adding in alcohol in P3 in either of my other rounds! I have really pushed this first 3 weeks of P3 to the limit and am taking fully responability for the fact I haven't stabilized as well this time! But as of today I am back in control and going to be good and gt the weight back down and then add things back in slowly one at a time!

    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleY View Post
    It's crazy how different two rounds can be, last P3 I could cheat , eat out, eat some protein the next day and be A OK and held the same weight for a year and a half this round forget about it ?? I will blame mine on peri-menopause this time, sounds good, haha. Better to get this under control now then when true menopause hits not looking forward to that

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleY View Post
    It's crazy how different two rounds can be, last P3 I could cheat , eat out, eat some protein the next day and be A OK and held the same weight for a year and a half this round forget about it ?? I will blame mine on peri-menopause this time, sounds good, haha. Better to get this under control now then when true menopause hits not looking forward to that
    Ya me too, maybe I have guy menopause lol. None the less I'm going to chill out this round of p3 and introduce new stuff slower :-(
    But Sunday I'm having some cauliflower crust pizza Darn it !

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    @Danielle..... Update on the Protein bars! So yummy, but I totally gained! Up from 117 to 118.2 boo!!! Ok, I MIGHT have eaten way too much and oh, I put a ton of fatty walnuts and cashews in them. . My husband just kills me... He never gains. I made his bars with all kinds of sugary stuff and he actually lost... MEN!

    I found myself feeling really guilty and upset about the gain and then I remembered, it's just a pound... I can turn it around. Isn't it so scary sometimes thought, sometimes it seems like "omg, am I just going to gain a pound a day until I gain it all back?" But I know that's not true; this is my second round.

    Thanks for listening, it helps to get talk about it.

    But ladies... I need Serious prayers... This weekend is the OU/TX game at the Texas State Fair!!! How will I resist the Corny Dogs, Deep fried Butter, Funnel Cakes and my favorite... Deep Fried P B and J.

    Ahhhhhhh!

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    Madcane - lol that's too funny , yes go slow

    Sooner - I thought you were asking for prayers on the game until I finished reading, lol Just stay away from the bars today and see what happens tomorrow, cashews I think I have read can cause gains too?

    Down .8 today, to 125.8 , .2 away from my first day of P3, this is technically my last day of P3 but you know I'm not going anywhere yet, haha, trying to get my cals up - by 4:30 yesterday I was only at 1000 man with no HWC, butter, it's tough or I have to eat a lot more than I am used to so it made me realize how small of real food I was eating, yesterday I had throughout the day 4.1 oz cooked hamb 70/30, 2 chick thighs with skin, 4 cups romaine, 1 avocado then at 4:30 like I mentioned I realized I was only at 1000 cals had to go take the kids places and at 7pm ate 3 more avocados and 4 cups romaine - felt so stuffed but got to 1561 cals, phew - gotta get my cals up there so I dont go back to how I was eating so little cals ever before HCG
    I am 5'4" 44 yo. Was stable at 123 last round, lost focus, back at 144.
    R1 1/11 Started at 170lbs got to 140. Another round 9/12 got to 123. Goal is to get back in that area and hold under 130.



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    Danielle - great loss, but how the heck do you eat 3 avocados? I do love them, but I don't know if I could do that. Unless of course it was made into guacamole and accompanied by a large bag of tortilla chips....;-)

    It really is a challenge getting the calories up, I had to eat a chicken thigh last night at 8:00 just to get to 1400 calories. I was the same weight today, so maybe I'm starting to stabilize. Was pleased to see the big loss from yesterday held. Going to stick to my strategy as it seems to be working. Good proteins and fats and today I can probably add in something new. Had pecans on my salad yesterday and those seem to be fine. Nuts certainly help get the calories up...
    5'7 51 year old. Frequent Flyer, Frequent HCG'er. Ready to use what I've learned to get it right this time.




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    It wast easy I had 4 total, it was suggested to me to eat the avocados even though they have carns because they digest easily and I was eating late, hey the scale was down today so I was happy yes please get those cals up and dont get in the wonky weight mess I was in. I actually just smash up the avocados and put 1 on top of a hamburger (add onions cilantro heck make guac) then the last 3 to up my cals i just smashed up and ate with the salad - it was good. Damn tortilla chips - love them!

    So glad you came back down today I will make sure my calories are up early, making a pot roast so that's some good fat/protein cals.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nonna B View Post
    Danielle - great loss, but how the heck do you eat 3 avocados? I do love them, but I don't know if I could do that. Unless of course it was made into guacamole and accompanied by a large bag of tortilla chips....;-)

    It really is a challenge getting the calories up, I had to eat a chicken thigh last night at 8:00 just to get to 1400 calories. I was the same weight today, so maybe I'm starting to stabilize. Was pleased to see the big loss from yesterday held. Going to stick to my strategy as it seems to be working. Good proteins and fats and today I can probably add in something new. Had pecans on my salad yesterday and those seem to be fine. Nuts certainly help get the calories up...
    I am 5'4" 44 yo. Was stable at 123 last round, lost focus, back at 144.
    R1 1/11 Started at 170lbs got to 140. Another round 9/12 got to 123. Goal is to get back in that area and hold under 130.



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    I'm up again today and now 3.4 lbs over LDW! Massive migraine going on and just not feeling great today at all!

    Thinking I will attempt this chicken thigh day and hope for the best since nothing else seems to be working right now.

    I have to say though I didn't count calories in my last P3/4 I am eating the same exact way I was in that round and my calories are right around 1500 and any time I amp them up at all I gain so I am kind of at a loss. If this chicken thigh day doesn't work then I am going back to the leptin reset fully as that really seemed to snap me back into place week 2 of my last P3 and I never had any issues from that point on. So we shall see what happens tomorrow on the scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleY View Post
    It wast easy I had 4 total, it was suggested to me to eat the avocados even though they have carns because they digest easily and I was eating late, hey the scale was down today so I was happy yes please get those cals up and dont get in the wonky weight mess I was in. I actually just smash up the avocados and put 1 on top of a hamburger (add onions cilantro heck make guac) then the last 3 to up my cals i just smashed up and ate with the salad - it was good. Damn tortilla chips - love them!

    So glad you came back down today I will make sure my calories are up early, making a pot roast so that's some good fat/protein cals.
    Yes, mmmm to Avocados - had some guac with my chicken yesterday too. Tortilla chips are my weakness for sure.

    Shannon - sorry for the gain, that is so darn frustrating, as I know only too well. good luck.
    5'7 51 year old. Frequent Flyer, Frequent HCG'er. Ready to use what I've learned to get it right this time.




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