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    Hi- I'm a Newbie + a Vegetarian

    Today is my first load day. Last night I read the vegetarian threads and wanted to know if anyone recommends ANYWHERE that I can go for more recipes for P2 Vegetarians. I am familiar with hcgcoach.com. I've printed those out. Anywhere else?

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    use traditional recipes

    I would use the normal recipes for chicken or fish and substitute quorn naked cutlets or crumbles for stuff like chilli. There are also some with cottage cheese you can have (not sure if you are a vegan). I loved cottage cheese put in the blender with canned seasoned tomatoes and some broth and a little stevia and vinegar, cooked into a soup. I also got kinda creative with protein powders. I made the usual shakes but I'd also warm up the chocolate protein powder with water and a bit of guar or xantham gum mixed in (all fiber, no calories), and ate it like a pudding. There are also lots of great shirataki noodle recipes if you incorporate those. Obviously what I'm suggesting is not *strict* protocol, but then doing the diet as a vegetarian already means you are going off protocol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monday View Post
    Today is my first load day. Last night I read the vegetarian threads and wanted to know if anyone recommends ANYWHERE that I can go for more recipes for P2 Vegetarians. I am familiar with hcgcoach.com. I've printed those out. Anywhere else?
    How long are you doing this? 23 days or 40?

    try http://glutenfreesoyfreevegan.wordpress.com/






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    Quote Originally Posted by straightscoop View Post
    I would use the normal recipes for chicken or fish and substitute quorn naked cutlets or crumbles for stuff like chilli. There are also some with cottage cheese you can have (not sure if you are a vegan). I loved cottage cheese put in the blender with canned seasoned tomatoes and some broth and a little stevia and vinegar, cooked into a soup. I also got kinda creative with protein powders. I made the usual shakes but I'd also warm up the chocolate protein powder with water and a bit of guar or xantham gum mixed in (all fiber, no calories), and ate it like a pudding. There are also lots of great shirataki noodle recipes if you incorporate those. Obviously what I'm suggesting is not *strict* protocol, but then doing the diet as a vegetarian already means you are going off protocol.
    I can't wait to try your pudding idea never thought of that THANKS!
    I never recommend dairy during P2 to many people are sensitive and it could cause lifetime maintenance issues. I know DR S said cottage cheese was ok occasionally but I would wait 1 completely strict Round through P3 before trying it. The noodles are good but be careful if you eat the whole package the amount of noodle weight could cause a gain so only eat 1/4 pack to start. Also make sure you are not getting the tofu kind, tofu is soy and Soy is a big no no on P2 because it is a starch. No soy until P4






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    Perhaps *you* don't recommend dairy but some of the world's thinnest populations eat dairy, as well as the longest-lived. (Sweden, Denmark, Russia, etc) Yogurt contains valuable probiotics and CLA, which is missing in many western diets and is a powerful fat burner. I personally feel the whole sensitivity issue is over-emphasized here. There are lots of studies that say adding dairy can enhance weight loss. Of course I'm sure since you can't personally tolerate it, you will find studies that support your case. I think people need to find what works for them. I ate Greek organic yogurt daily during my second round of P2 (I followed the first very strict then started experimenting), as well as in P3 and beyond. I am currently 114lb so clearly, it's not a problem for me personally.

    Quote Originally Posted by tryingtomakeit View Post
    I can't wait to try your pudding idea never thought of that THANKS!
    I never recommend dairy during P2 to many people are sensitive and it could cause lifetime maintenance issues. I know DR S said cottage cheese was ok occasionally but I would wait 1 completely strict Round through P3 before trying it. The noodles are good but be careful if you eat the whole package the amount of noodle weight could cause a gain so only eat 1/4 pack to start. Also make sure you are not getting the tofu kind, tofu is soy and Soy is a big no no on P2 because it is a starch. No soy until P4

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    Quote Originally Posted by straightscoop View Post
    Perhaps *you* don't recommend dairy but some of the world's thinnest populations eat dairy, as well as the longest-lived. (Sweden, Denmark, Russia, etc) Yogurt contains valuable probiotics and CLA, which is missing in many western diets and is a powerful fat burner. I personally feel the whole sensitivity issue is over-emphasized here. There are lots of studies that say adding dairy can enhance weight loss. Of course I'm sure since you can't personally tolerate it, you will find studies that support your case. I think people need to find what works for them. I ate Greek organic yogurt daily during my second round of P2 (I followed the first very strict then started experimenting), as well as in P3 and beyond. I am currently 114lb so clearly, it's not a problem for me personally.
    Tryingtomakeit was stating what Doctor S mentioned. Also Dairy does not do a body good. 70% of the population is allergic to Dairy. The studies that support your case are more than likely from the dairy industry. I know they have done some studies to support that for their own selfish needs. Now all of this deals with Pasturized Dairy. You apparently are not allergic to dairy and you were able to have the yogurt and didn't effect you. Now keep in mind the yogurt has live probiotics in it that actually help the digestion of foods. I wouldn't be surprised that most of those countries you mention are probably drinking raw milk, which is illegal here in the US. Only 3% of the population is allergic to raw milk. Raw milk actually contains the beneficial bacteria and enzymes in order to digest it. I have personally drank raw milk and have noticed an improvement in my digestion and yes I did lose a few pounds and weren't even trying to diet at the time.

    Tryingtomakeit is correct that you should try to follow the protocol strictly your very first time before you experiment. I'm on my fourth round and I am drinking a cappuccino every morning now and where as this is my experiment and it's working for me I still would not recommend it to anyone else because they may gain if they try what I'm doing.

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    Can I ask what source that statistic that 70% of the population is allergic to dairy comes from? If that were true, we'd truly have an epidemic on our hands. The sources I have found cite food allergies as much, much lower. If you have an allergy, OR an intolerance to milk, it would not be hidden, you'd know it! And it probably would result in weight loss, not gain, considering nausea and diarrhea are the main symptoms. I wasn't looking at sources from the dairy industry, soy industry, or vegan/vegetarian groups, which can be skewed in favor of their view.

    I was talking mainly about yogurt, which is a fermented product, not raw milk. Yogurt is eaten extensively in many parts of the world. If you don't want to consume dairy, don't consume it. Vegetarians already have a limited amount of high quality protein choices on this protocol, so why tell people they MUST limit their food choices even more to be successful? It's just not true that MOST people have intolerances. You'd have to have a blood test to truly know for certain.

    From Food Allergies: Just the Facts

    Myth Number 1: Food allergy is very common.
    Fact: Although 25 percent of people think they're allergic to certain foods, studies show that about only 6 percent of children and 2 percent of adults have a food allergy. A true food allergy is a reaction triggered by the immune system (the part of your body that fights infection). Far more people simply have a food intolerance, which is unpleasant symptoms triggered by food (but does not involve the immune system).

    Myth Number 4: Milk allergy is very common in adults.
    Fact: Milk allergy is much more common in children than in adults. However, most children outgrow the allergy by 2 or 3 years of age. Symptoms of milk allergy include hives, vomiting and breathing problems after consuming a dairy product. Many adults may experience symptoms similar to milk allergy, as adults often have trouble digesting the sugar in milk. This is called "lactose intolerance." It isn't a true allergy. The symptoms of lactose intolerance are bloating, cramping, nausea, gas and diarrhea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenine View Post
    Tryingtomakeit was stating what Doctor S mentioned. Also Dairy does not do a body good. 70% of the population is allergic to Dairy. The studies that support your case are more than likely from the dairy industry. I know they have done some studies to support that for their own selfish needs. Now all of this deals with Pasturized Dairy. You apparently are not allergic to dairy and you were able to have the yogurt and didn't effect you. Now keep in mind the yogurt has live probiotics in it that actually help the digestion of foods. I wouldn't be surprised that most of those countries you mention are probably drinking raw milk, which is illegal here in the US. Only 3% of the population is allergic to raw milk. Raw milk actually contains the beneficial bacteria and enzymes in order to digest it. I have personally drank raw milk and have noticed an improvement in my digestion and yes I did lose a few pounds and weren't even trying to diet at the time.

    Tryingtomakeit is correct that you should try to follow the protocol strictly your very first time before you experiment. I'm on my fourth round and I am drinking a cappuccino every morning now and where as this is my experiment and it's working for me I still would not recommend it to anyone else because they may gain if they try what I'm doing.

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    From the Mayo Clinic: "Food allergy affects an estimated 6 to 8 percent of children under age 5, and about 3 to 4 percent of adults. It's easy to confuse a food allergy with a much more common reaction known as food intolerance. While bothersome, food intolerance is a less serious condition that does not involve the immune system."

    From Dr. Sears: "Milk allergies are over-diagnosed by the general population and under-diagnosed by doctors. The real incidence of milk allergies lies somewhere between the folklore and the skeptical view of many physicians. Around five percent of children and adults seem to be either allergic to milk or intolerant of it. One carefully controlled study showed that 75 percent of infants under one year of age were allergic to cow's milk. Cow's milk allergy is more likely to develop in children who have a family history of milk allergy. The good news is that of the approximately two percent of children who are truly allergic to milk, many will outgrow this allergy by the time they are two or three-years-old."

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    It sounds as though I had offended you in some way which was not my intent and I am sorry. You are lucky it works the way it does for you and keep going. I was simply trying to talk about what the Dr who spent years of scienctific study on this protocol says about adding other things.

    He says,..."Every item in the list is gone over carefully, continually stressing the point that no variations other than those listed may be introduced. All things not listed are forbidden, and the patient is assured that nothing permissible has been left out. The 100 grams of meat must he scrupulously weighed raw after all visible fat has been removed. To do this accurately the patient must have a letter-scale, as kitchen scales are not sufficiently accurate and the butcher should certainly not be relied upon. Those not uncommon patients who feel that even so little food is too much for them, can omit anything they wish."



    Can I ask what source that statistic that 70% of the population is allergic to dairy comes from? If that were true, we'd truly have an epidemic on our hands. The sources I have found cite food allergies as much, much lower. If you have an allergy, OR an intolerance to milk, it would not be hidden, you'd know it! And it probably would result in weight loss, not gain, considering nausea and diarrhea are the main symptoms. I wasn't looking at sources from the dairy industry, soy industry, or vegan/vegetarian groups, which can be skewed in favor of their view.
    I for one did not know I had a food sensitivity, which was the cause of my weight gain and the reason I am on this protocol to lose weight. Which is why everyone is on this protocol, to lose weight. I had no idea I have a dairy sensitivity but I do and yes I had a blood test done to find out. So by having this food sensitivity it set me up for failure. You are right most people do not have a true food allergy only a sensitivity to a certian food which IS the cause of their weight gain and again the whole reason we are on this protocol. So I did not say I would not recommend dairy because I was trying to hurt your feelings only to reinforce the medical scientific reasearch done on this protocol by the Dr that created it. It has nothing to do with what works for you but what the doctor says. Also, a lot of people do have a food sensitivity to dairy and taking that during P2 will slow their weight loss and their long term success of keeping the weight off. That's all. Hope you understand now






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    no offense taken

    I am not offended at all. Just pointing out Dr. Simeon's protocol DOES allow cottage cheese and dairy products were a lifesaver for me eating vegetarian on the diet. All shakes all the time wouldn't cut it for me! I live in a cold climate and cottage cheese blended with canned tomatoes and spices made a great filling, soup. Read the section for vegetarians, he talks about 100 grams of fat-free cottage cheese. He also mentions skimmed milk is used in certain populations. To me, yogurt is basically the same..and a lot of people use whey protein shakes on the protocol too. Perhaps the other poster was confusing "allergy" with "intolerance" but I still don't think 70% of the population is intolerant to dairy. If so, it would be very mild at best considering all the dairy products most people consume in various forms on a daily basis.

    From pounds and inches:
    "Cottage cheese made from skimmed milk is available 100 grams may occasionally be used instead of the meat"

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    R1P2D10 - I'm a life-long vegetarian - 56 years to be exact. But, love my breads, pasta, cheese, oil and dairy - which is why I'm doing this. I have to have instant gratification, or it won't work for me. So far, being on my 10th day and down 13 pounds is pretty good for me! I am not having any problems making this work, obviously. I have a few tips if anyone wants them for your food and having numerous options. You MUST find either a health food store or a Seventh Day Adventist church. Call them and find out if they have a food store (most do). You want to purchase the following: WORTHINGTON FOODS brand of Vegetarian Burger (canned); Scallops (canned); Chick-etts (frozen roll). These are the best for me - you may find others to use. Just read the labels and make sure there are no sugars in them and check the fat content, which is pretty much -0- on these. I also do a protein shake every morning. I have to have protein 3x's a day. I'm still losing with amazing results so far. Here are some quick recipes:

    Taco Salad
    100 g. veggie burger
    tablespoon of your homemade salsa
    juice from your salsa
    2 cups chopped romaine lettuce

    use some of the juice from your salsa, plus the salsa to heat the veggie burger. Put it on your romaine lettuce and mix. Very Tasty!

    SCALLOP SOUP
    100 g scallops - diced very tiny (like 1/4 inch pieces)
    1 cup of your homemade vegetable broth (I make mine spicy w/cayene pepper)
    1 small zuchinni diced

    Heat all in a pan until zuchinni soft. enjoy.

    Chicketts Salad
    100 g chickett - sliced in strips - I make mine very thin strips
    2 cups romaine lettuce
    Vinagrette made with apple cider vinegar, balsamic vinegar, mustard, garlic, lemon juice, water & stevia.

    I pack this for lunch in separate containers until ready to eat. Mix all together in one bowl when ready to eat.

    The Chicketts can also be made into a soup with the zuchinni, celery, onion, cabbage or any other vegetable you want. It comes in a small frozen roll. just slice off 100 grams and let your imagination run wild. Use like any other chicken recipes your find in your hCG recipes!

    The Veggie Burger looks horrible - but, I'll tell you what.....it's the best tasting stuff out there on the market! Even after you stop the diet - it's fabulous in the place of ground beef and all the meat eaters that taste it prefer it after the initial shock of learning it's not meat! So, use it in your chili, lasagna, pastichio, stuffed peppers, tacos, etc.

    The Scallops are just a scallop shaped substitute packed tightly in a can. Pry them all apart and use in any seafood or chicken recipe as a substitute. Once off the diet, they are delicious dipped in eggwash, flour, eggwash then panko crumbs and fried til light brown. nice and crunchy dipped in a mayonaise/dill pickle combo. Whoops, that part is hCG friendly, but, good for later.

    I just bought some Shiratake (Miracle) Noodles to try. I will put a very small amount of the angel hair noodles in my soup and see how that tastes. I nervous about the noodles though. Have read some great reviews on taste/texture and some god awful reviews! I do know they smell like fish and are rubbery - you have to wash them for at least 5 minutes and cook for quite awhile - preferabbly in a broth with asian like flavors. Most people say they taste like crap with pasta sauces - they ARE NOT pasta!! nowhere close, so don't think they are before you buy them. you will be very disappointed. from what I've gathered, think more on the asian food line for recipes.

    Hope that helps some of you out there?

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    I'm probably going to do 40. Would that be 40 days on phase 2 only?

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