Thread: Tvp?

Uhm, no. Not on P2, not on P3, and only occasionally in P4. Texturized Vegetable Protein, made from defatted soy flour, is too high in carbs and too low in protein to count as a protein source for the HCG protocol.
Normally, it's a good substitute for ground beef in nugget or mince form (which is how its commonly sold, but it can be found in chunks occasionally). You hydrate it, spice it up with soy sauce, liquid smoke, braggs, etc, and it makes good taco meat, sloppy joes, etc. but there are better choices for us, and vegetarians in general.

Soy is never a good substitute for protein. It messes up our hormones.

Originally Posted by Mrs.

Soy is never a good substitute for protein. It messes up our hormones.

I assume if you are posting on a vegetarian thread, you have other ideas on what "protein" might be acceptable to vegetarians. Care to share those?

Well, if you are vegetarian, there is fish, eggs if you can tolerate them, and dairy if you can tolerate that (if not I'd suggest healing the gut first and see if that helps).

If you are vegan, I'd suggest getting a good soy and dairy free protein powder, but I wouldn't recommend a vegan diet long term. I think it is great for a period of time, to heal issues and nourish our bodies with large amounts of good nutrients (unless the vegan diet consists of lots of carbs and soy...) but the lack of good animal fats will cause problems in the long run, or for the next generation(s). Of course, we can agree to disagree We eat vegan 1/3 of the year for religious reasons, so I know my way around food in that area, and I know what it does to my body. I chose to not do hcg vegan even though it was that time of year for us.

Soy has only since recently been used as a protein replacer, and that mostly in the Western countries. It is eaten in huge proportions and thus is it grown in huge proportions, most of it being GMO. It was never used as a protein replacer in countries where they have eaten this for centuries. It was eaten fermented, and as a condiment. It is really, really messing up with our hormones. It is just scary. A baby fed soy milk is receiving more hormones from soy than a woman on a birth control pill. (http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-aler...alert-brochure)

@mrs. As far as soy that's GMO, well most anything GMO, pretty much goes w.o saying how bad it is for us. So im careful not to buy it. But there's lots of tricks in the food industry and loop holes that allow them to include it w.o. My knowledge. And that's why I asked specifically about " whole soy" - not just any ol soy product. You have to choose to eat Whole soy to get all the essential amino acids like you might get from some meat. As far as ive heard whole soy is not a bad choice for a "complete protein" for strict vegans. The only other ways to consume "complete protein" w.o. Animal products is to mix different incomplete proteins like peanutbutter and whole wheat or rice&beans. I've been vegan for about 6 years. And for the first 5 years-- exactly like you mentioned, I ate carbs and sugars because I didn't know ANYTHING about nutrition!! It wasn't till I started to focus on losing weight that I learned a tiny bit about nutrition!

So if all your saying is that the soy is bad for our hormones because its GMO- i Totally agree with that!! But I was asking you if you know anything about the whole, non-GMO soy I've used without issue (that I know of anyway)!? Oh and yes I can't wait to make some (vegan) homemade kefir sometime! I think it's fascinating what that stuff can do for us!!

Like I mentioned earlier, during the HCG diet I've stuck with pea protein and not soy protein cas of personal tastes preferences. So that's not an issue now. But I do certainly agree to disagree with you as to the health benefits of eating vegan for life! There's no doubt we are able to thrive and get all the nutrients humans need thru a careful thoughtful animal free diet. Millions do it everyday.


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Soy is not a complete protein though. It lacks sulfur-containing amino acids methionine and cystine. In addition, modern processing denatures fragile lysine.

And no, it is not because it GMO that it is bad. All soy is bad.

High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.
Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.
Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.


And my apologies, I was responding to Veggiemama I didn't see your post! No one has eaten soy the way it is eaten in the US and other developed countries for the last few decades. We have yet to see the full ramifications of this

Anyway, not here to offend.

Originally Posted by Mrs.

Well, if you are vegetarian, there is fish, eggs if you can tolerate them, and dairy if you can tolerate that (if not I'd suggest healing the gut first and see if that helps)...(http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-aler...alert-brochure)

Sorry, if people eat fish, they aren't vegetarians. Ocean life is arguably one of the first things we give up due to pollution of our oceans. Not that I am one, but vegans have taken pot shots for years that are undeserved.
The paper you quote uses the word "cause" way too often to be scientific.
This is not the forum to have a knock-down-drag-out about science vs science, but according to Dr. Barry Sears' _The Soy Zone_, study after study indicates that populations that consume large amounts of soy protein have decreased incidence of chronic diseases. Other benefits: decreased cholesterol levels, decreased risk of heart disease, decreased risk of cancer (heart and prostate), decreased likelihood of osteoporosis, and decreased symptoms of menopause. It has insulin-lowering effects. Isoflavones are no magic bullet, but if one is concerned about phytoestrogens for some reason, this would be difficult to overconsume them with soy foods--soy phytoestrogens, Sears points out, are 200 times weaker than natural estrogens. In essence, don't pop a pill for soy's benefits--eat it. Plus, the newer soybean meat substitutes contain no phytoestrogens due to being made from alcohol-extracted soy protein concentrates.
It is unfair to malign soy as "all bad" without looking at how it is commonly consumed.