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    Honestly Leez, at 20 to 30 g carbs per day, I do well; and yes that is restrictive but it works for me. Type 2 diabetics produce excess insulin when eating anything other than fats, and the spikes contribute to insulin resistance. Until I'm able to reduce insulin resistance - which may be never - I'll keep my carbs as low as I can stand to.

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    My post must read as aimed at you, but I wrote it for Pearlie. I knew it wasn't something you would consider. I'll fix it up!

    I'm glad for you that you are able to adapt to 20-30 carbs a day and be content. I know its a choice you feel you had to make to avoid meds, and I admire that you keep that promise to yourself. I just can't do it and not feel ill or like I'm in food jail. There is too much extreme deprivation in my past. I believe the HCG diet keeps me feeling well in large part because I don't achieve ketosis on the allowed fruits and melba. What a gift it has been to me after all the horrible diets I've forced on myself.
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    Thanks, Leez. But I sincerely do not understand why you think ketosis is so awful. It's our gestational and evolutionary metabolic pathway; humans only incorporated enough carbs into their diets to use glucose as the primary fuel with the advent of grain farming.

    Ketosis has never felt different to me; and I can still use glucose as an energy source any time.
    I mainly feel the effect of excess carbs in gas and bloating in my gut, which are absent when I avoid carbs.

    The initial transition can take several weeks and may be briefly unpleasant, mostly because ketosis pushes out more water, reducing blood volume temporarily and causing headaches and body aches. But taking in a bit of salt and other electrolytes quickly counteracts that.

    I have tried a number of weird diets too, and hcg was the only one that gave me weight loss without starvation. Plus an easy way to segue into the ketogenic diet. I do not know if it is possible for me, or anyone, to permanently stave off type 2 diabetes after years of lousy eating. But I really, really do not want to go down the path of progressively worse health effects from t2d, so I'm definitely committed to my keto diet.

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    I'll try to explain. It is awful for me because it feels awful. I am sick and weak and lightheaded when in ketosis. And being the world-class champion dieter I am, I would stick it out for way longer than several weeks until I couldn't stand it anymore. My body never acclimated to it any of the many times I tried it. Granted, the long, extended ketosis periods were decades ago, and I didn't have any knowledge of any countering measures at the time. But it was horrible enough that I don't want to go there again. Its not worth it to me to experiment with it further. At least not at this time.

    The miracle of HCG is, I agree, weight loss without starvation. While in P2, I feel good. I have enough energy, and I'm not starving. And the loss can be sustained, which has never happened for me with any other method.
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    Well, yup! You are both right!

    And I am somewhere in there some days and the other some days!

    I know what DOESNT work: I had some banana chips---forgot I should of looked for plantain, and got carried away. Then just to confuse things, I had maybe 2 ounces of white sweet potato with dinner. UP TWO POUNDS.

    I know it is inflammation, but zounds. Glad I was below LIW when I tried that. First, I should not have done both the same day or maybe even the same week. And I don't even like bananas but bought the chips to break into little pieces and add to my almond-pecan mixed nuts. Macadamia nuts were 9.99 for 6 ounces and the b chips 3.99 for 9 ounces. yep, that's what I based my decision on. And you know the chips did not end up in the mixed nuts.

    Well. Nuts. Three days of protein and fats, here I come.

    I obviously can't be trusted to free-form this experimenting thing. I will check out your link, Leez. I don't mind keto, gig, I just run into social situations and don't want to have a bumpy road just because I had one thing.

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    Thank you for explaining, Leez. I guess I was fortunate to not feel those effects.

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    PearlyMae, I run into those same social issues. I try to eat very clean beforehand and afterward, because I know I'll succumb to some temptation. When I went back to Michigan for my family reunion, I did it as a PI in the middle of a round, which proved a workable strategy. Other times, I'm more able to behave, but it always takes "eyes on the prize" of maintaining my health. Because for me yeah, weight is important but the real issue is defeating T2D.

    I think my absolute prohibition of grains and starches in my daily life helps: I try to view those as non-foods and skip them. There's usually something I can eat! For example, at pizza parties, I scrape the toppings off and eat them along with salad.

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    No advice here. Just observation. Carbs take more water to process, so if you are in a state of ketosis and introduce some carbs, your body is going to retain a couple pounds of water to take care of them since the body buffers inflammation with extra water. Does that mean carbs cause inflammation? Maybe, or maybe its just a normal metabolic process. So you get a wild swing, and then you panic and go back to low/nocarb eating to flush out the water. And you think that you can't eat those things and remain sane.

    I think that part of why the FMD plan works to reduce carb sensitivity is because you have to do 2 carbs days in a row each week. You can't panic and stop after the first day when the scale jumps in the beginning (while your body is sorting it out). And the first 4 days of the week are all low fat, so there is no lethal (according to Dr. Simeon) combination of starch and fat. The "clean out" for the carb-processing weight is built in. After the first week or so, I started to lose during those two carb days. I found that both amazing and fascinating. I didn't actually lose anymore weight doing this (it was right after a round) as I would gain some over the weekend days. but it kept my weight stable for almost 5 months.
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    It's not so much the water-weight I'm concerned about, it's the disruption of ketosis. Our bodies are ready to switch to glucose-burning at the drop of a hat; but switching back to fat-burning (ketosis) is slower. I also avoid carbs because they stimulate insulin secretion and that works against my recovery from years of insulin resistance.

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    i started low calorie day today. a little rough. always first few days are difficult. the nasal spray is homeopathic so hope it works. they recommend hcg 2.0 but i need my two fruits per day so im sticking with OP.
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    Sending you good vibes, rose so you get to that dreamy no-hunger stage really quickly. First day or so is hardest for me too. But for me, I think its more of a mental thing of committing to the 500 calorie menu than any physical discomfort.
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    I hope you have a great round, Rose -

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