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    "Wobble worries".....should I do something special here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    You have an amazing story. It looks like you were led to the information you needed at just the right time.

    HCG is a hormone healing protocol, so its not surprising that you saw some benefits to your thyroid function from it. Those are some interesting insights about the inner workings of our visceral fat. More evidence that our bodies are fearfully and wonderfully made.

    I like your P3 celebration plan! Sounds yummy. ^_^
    Thanks, Leez!!

    And, I agree completely -- every human body is a walking miracle. Wonderfully and fearfully made, indeed.

    So, I don't know if what I'm about to post qualifies as a plateau or not, but my body is definitely struggling to push past it. It's what I'd call.....some sort of "wobbling"....


    Here are my numbers from the past few days:

    08/28: 129.0
    08/29: 128.4
    08/30: 128.4
    08/31: 129.2
    09/01: 128.2 <--- first injection skipped during this entire "42-day round"
    09/02: 129.0


    Is this time for a 'correction day'....?

    Please note: I have trouble with apples. They sincerely mess me up; I've had to eat low-FODMAP the past few years to counteract a screwy digestive system, and apples are high FODMAP. Basically, the types of sugars in apples do not digest well, and I get physically ill from them. I LOVE apples, so that sucks. So for fruit, all I'm able to eat during P2 is really strawberries and oranges.

    Grapefruit is relatively high FODMAP as well. So out of the "4 allowed fruits" in P2, I have just strawberries and oranges.

    So....how would I do something like an apple day, for a correction day strategy in P2? I'm a bit nervous, seeing as how I only have until September 11th for the last P2 day (and last injection on September 9th)........arrrgh!


    //HISTORY//

    I stabilized originally, 7 years ago....at 5 lbs above LIW -- 117 was LIW. And I eventually stabilized at 122 lbs.

    So if that happens again, and I stay at this weight, this will be baaaaad news for my goals. I'm not happy about that.


    //GOAL WEIGHT//

    My goal is 116 lbs, which most definitely will not be reached now (and in case you're wondering....oh yes, I'm a small girl, lol -- 116 lbs is me looking 'normal' weight at 5'1" tall).....so even if I hit 125 I'll be happy.

    But I'm thinking that won't happen.


    So...........what do I do? "Some sort of" correction day without using apples in P2, or what??

    What do you think, Leez?
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    First, there are no correction days in P2. Gains happen. They are not fun, for sure, but they are normal here and there. its not even unusual to have a 10 day stall. You don't need to do anything but continue to stay on protocol. Eventually, water stores will level out and you will get a whoosh and then go back to losing regularly for your last few days. It all seems to even out for a decent average daily loss when its all tallied at the end.

    The apple day is a psychological remedy that is an option for when the scale doesn't drop for 4 or more days. It is hard on your body, as you can't drink any liquids on an apple day, and the results are only temporary and do not increase your overall losses. You are not missing out by not doing an apple day. In fact, it would be detrimental in your case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    First, there are no correction days in P2. Gains happen. They are not fun, for sure, but they are normal here and there. its not even unusual to have a 10 day stall. You don't need to do anything but continue to stay on protocol. Eventually, water stores will level out and you will get a whoosh and then go back to losing regularly for your last few days. It all seems to even out for a decent average daily loss when its all tallied at the end.

    The apple day is a psychological remedy that is an option for when the scale doesn't drop for 4 or more days. It is hard on your body, as you can't drink any liquids on an apple day, and the results are only temporary and do not increase your overall losses. You are not missing out by not doing an apple day. In fact, it would be detrimental in your case.
    Thank you!!

    Man oh man...I was worried. Glad to hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    You have an amazing story. It looks like you were led to the information you needed at just the right time.

    HCG is a hormone healing protocol, so its not surprising that you saw some benefits to your thyroid function from it. Those are some interesting insights about the inner workings of our visceral fat. More evidence that our bodies are fearfully and wonderfully made.

    I like your P3 celebration plan! Sounds yummy. ^_^
    You are a wealth of information. It amazes me. Gonnaloseitís story is incredible. I have a friend who is dealing with a thyroid issue and the doctor isnít really helping. I told her about Armour and Stop the Thyroid madness and the FMD. Do you think HHCG would heal her as well? She is desperate.

    I know youíre not a doctor but she knows I am an HCG lifer and I think it might really help her.


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    The only thing I know for sure is that your thyroid function is slightly boosted while you are on HCG, and for a few weeks afterward. That is why its not recommended to get any thyroid labs drawn for at least 6 weeks after you are off the HCG. Its possible that the hormone adjustments that go on during the protocol could have lasting effects from the hormone regulation that the HCG accomplishes. We know that some have to decrease their thyroid meds during their rounds, but it doesn't affect everyone that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poweredbystarbucks View Post
    You are a wealth of information. It amazes me. Gonnaloseitís story is incredible. I have a friend who is dealing with a thyroid issue and the doctor isnít really helping. I told her about Armour and Stop the Thyroid madness and the FMD. Do you think HHCG would heal her as well? She is desperate.

    I know youíre not a doctor but she knows I am an HCG lifer and I think it might really help her.
    Thank you! I appreciate the kudos.


    //My Experience//

    All I can tell you is that hCG (injectible only) changed my life; HhCG is not strong enough, imho, to do lasting, actual change.

    I had 5 friends who did the hCG protocol back then, plus me....when I did this as a newbie, back in 2012-2013 (eek!).....here is how their experiences went. Keep in mind this covers a year...multiple rounds for all of us. We all ended our use of hCG in 2013.

    Of our group:
    * 3 used HhCG
    * 3 used injectible hCG...that's 2 others plus me


    NOTE:
    Of each group, the majority had hypothyroidism.

    That means:
    * 2 of 3 had hypothyroidism in HhCG group
    * 2 of 3 had hypothyroidism in injectible hCG group


    //Hypothyroidism//

    So who stabilized....? Who kept it off for the past 7 years?

    * HhCG: nobody stabilized -- with or without hypothyroidism
    * Injectible hCG: everyone stabilized, with hypothyroidism and without

    This is of course, not a scientific study.


    //Opinion//

    But I will say this: remember, everyone on the HhCG did multiple rounds....they also had slower losses in each and every round than the injectible hCG group. And I am someone who loses slowly on hCG as it is...so for me to say this, well...that's significant.

    And the HhCG'ers were constantly hungry. Which is a telltale sign their HhCG was not working. And it was mad hunger -- like a raging hunger. They constantly adjusted their doses; even bought other homeopathic hCG brands (to no avail). They always had to deal with some hunger no matter what they did. The topic of conversation at lunch with them turned from, "boy, I'm excited to start hCG....can't wait!" to, "omg, did you see that cake in the break room? OMG all I can think about is all the food I cannot eat; ALL I WANT TO DO IS EAT THAT CAKE!!! And then go home and EAT SOME MORE!!!"....I mean....oh man. Us in the injectible group could barely force ourselves to eat...BARELY! Which is an excellent sign that our hCG was working. And it did...the protocol worked wonderfully for those of us on injectible hCG.

    NOTE:
    Anyone who says "let's add B12 to help losses and suppress hunger!" is, imho, a con artist.

    If your hCG is working, you SHOULD NEVER feel hungry; hunger is NOT normal!! Anyone who adds that B12 crap to your drops, or injections, or pellets is, imho, a con artist and your losses will never stabilize.


    //Lesson Learned?//

    In later rounds, when these lovely women I knew continued on with their homeopathic drops (HhCG)....they didn't budge on using injectible. "Well, I'm sure it's just my dose!" and "I hate needles....I can't stand them!" and...etc....all that. Lots of complaints; imho that is an approach that is counter-productive. This protocol is for LASTING success; not merely temporary success for a month or two....LASTING success. Stabilization!

    They wound up not only losing very little, and being hungry all the time (and miserable)....to then gaining back every pound they lost -- and then some! And of course, heartbroken along with that.

    And they blamed hCG....thinking all hCG was to blame. They never seemed to put two-and-two together. While all of us in the injectible group never suffered raging hunger (not even a little bit, even when our doses were off)....while those of us in the injectible group stabilized, fully, and never had any further problems keeping weight off. The homeopathic group never seemed to "get it".....always blamed hCG, all hCG....when they shouldn't have. They really shouldn't have.


    //Why I'm Back Here//

    I am only back here because I put my body in a highly stressful situation (hurricane Michael recovery efforts) in late Summer/Fall of '18, and I inadvertently undid everything I had done to heal through hCG. Worked without eating enough for many days, working long hours on my feet; extreme physical exertion. That put my body into crisis, and I am "guessing" at this point it re-grew the visceral fat I had gotten rid of with this protocol. All my thyroid issues came back....crept up slowly at first, then got worse and worse and worse after I got back to living a normal life. I tried everything I could to fix it without going through this protocol again, but alas....nothing worked.

    So I'm thankful I have the injectible hCG to use; very thankful!! Can't even express how thankful I am that this protocol exists!! <3


    //My Personal Recommendation//

    I would strongly NOT recommend homeopathic ANYTHING with this protocol for anyone -- especially someone who needs heavy-duty fixing for their thyroid.

    That's my opinion though, and I'm sure you'll hear others.

    As a clinically hypothyroid patient, I can only tell you this: hCG, INJECTIBLE was, and IS, the only thing that has ever worked for me.

    Thank God for injectible hCG. It really is the best....in my opinion, of course.
    Looking for info on the famed "Chicken Thigh Day" (CTD)? Here it is: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/entry.php?b=16708

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    Quote Originally Posted by GonnaLoseIt View Post
    Thank you! I appreciate the kudos.


    //My Experience//

    All I can tell you is that hCG (injectible only) changed my life; HhCG is not strong enough, imho, to do lasting, actual change.

    I had 5 friends who did the hCG protocol back then, plus me....when I did this as a newbie, back in 2012-2013 (eek!).....here is how their experiences went. Keep in mind this covers a year...multiple rounds for all of us. We all ended our use of hCG in 2013.

    Of our group:
    * 3 used HhCG
    * 3 used injectible hCG...that's 2 others plus me


    NOTE:
    Of each group, the majority had hypothyroidism.

    That means:
    * 2 of 3 had hypothyroidism in HhCG group
    * 2 of 3 had hypothyroidism in injectible hCG group


    //Hypothyroidism//

    So who stabilized....? Who kept it off for the past 7 years?

    * HhCG: nobody stabilized -- with or without hypothyroidism
    * Injectible hCG: everyone stabilized, with hypothyroidism and without

    This is of course, not a scientific study.


    //Opinion//

    But I will say this: remember, everyone on the HhCG did multiple rounds....they also had slower losses in each and every round than the injectible hCG group. And I am someone who loses slowly on hCG as it is...so for me to say this, well...that's significant.

    And the HhCG'ers were constantly hungry. Which is a telltale sign their HhCG was not working. And it was mad hunger -- like a raging hunger. They constantly adjusted their doses; even bought other homeopathic hCG brands (to no avail). They always had to deal with some hunger no matter what they did. The topic of conversation at lunch with them turned from, "boy, I'm excited to start hCG....can't wait!" to, "omg, did you see that cake in the break room? OMG all I can think about is all the food I cannot eat; ALL I WANT TO DO IS EAT THAT CAKE!!! And then go home and EAT SOME MORE!!!"....I mean....oh man. Us in the injectible group could barely force ourselves to eat...BARELY! Which is an excellent sign that our hCG was working. And it did...the protocol worked wonderfully for those of us on injectible hCG.

    NOTE:
    Anyone who says "let's add B12 to help losses and suppress hunger!" is, imho, a con artist.

    If your hCG is working, you SHOULD NEVER feel hungry; hunger is NOT normal!! Anyone who adds that B12 crap to your drops, or injections, or pellets is, imho, a con artist and your losses will never stabilize.


    //Lesson Learned?//

    In later rounds, when these lovely women I knew continued on with their homeopathic drops (HhCG)....they didn't budge on using injectible. "Well, I'm sure it's just my dose!" and "I hate needles....I can't stand them!" and...etc....all that. Lots of complaints; imho that is an approach that is counter-productive. This protocol is for LASTING success; not merely temporary success for a month or two....LASTING success. Stabilization!

    They wound up not only losing very little, and being hungry all the time (and miserable)....to then gaining back every pound they lost -- and then some! And of course, heartbroken along with that.

    And they blamed hCG....thinking all hCG was to blame. They never seemed to put two-and-two together. While all of us in the injectible group never suffered raging hunger (not even a little bit, even when our doses were off)....while those of us in the injectible group stabilized, fully, and never had any further problems keeping weight off. The homeopathic group never seemed to "get it".....always blamed hCG, all hCG....when they shouldn't have. They really shouldn't have.


    //Why I'm Back Here//

    I am only back here because I put my body in a highly stressful situation (hurricane Michael recovery efforts) in late Summer/Fall of '18, and I inadvertently undid everything I had done to heal through hCG. Worked without eating enough for many days, working long hours on my feet; extreme physical exertion. That put my body into crisis, and I am "guessing" at this point it re-grew the visceral fat I had gotten rid of with this protocol. All my thyroid issues came back....crept up slowly at first, then got worse and worse and worse after I got back to living a normal life. I tried everything I could to fix it without going through this protocol again, but alas....nothing worked.

    So I'm thankful I have the injectible hCG to use; very thankful!! Can't even express how thankful I am that this protocol exists!! <3


    //My Personal Recommendation//

    I would strongly NOT recommend homeopathic ANYTHING with this protocol for anyone -- especially someone who needs heavy-duty fixing for their thyroid.

    That's my opinion though, and I'm sure you'll hear others.

    As a clinically hypothyroid patient, I can only tell you this: hCG, INJECTIBLE was, and IS, the only thing that has ever worked for me.

    Thank God for injectible hCG. It really is the best....in my opinion, of course.
    Thank you. I inject because I believe it works better and I started back in 2012 as well. Lovely Losers 2020 - Absolutely Active in AUGUST!!. I drank and ate like crap and thatís why I gained. I am fully accountable. I have to live a disciplined life. If I can do it with alcohol I can do it with food and this program is an amazing way to kick that off Lovely Losers 2020 - Absolutely Active in AUGUST!!


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    Question Four questions for Leez

    Morning, Leez!

    So, I have 'histamine intolerance.'

    My histamine issues are currently raaaaging out of control. I do not take meds for it; I usually control via diet. Now that I can't control it with the usual foods I use to control histamine issues (fat helps....aaand I'm on zero fat lol).....well, now I have to be creative in other ways. Was hoping the lack of fat wouldn't be an issue for my histamine intolerance, but apparently it is.

    My body produces an excess of histamine because of a pathogen that will not die -- it eats histidine and secretes histamine as its only byrpoduct. So trying to find a way to live with it is hell, but trying to kill it at this point hasn't worked.

    That being said, my histamine levels have been off the charts the past week. Correlating with the "wobble stall".....eyes virtually glued shut when I wake up, 'battery acid tears' rolling down my face at random times, bloating, etc...it's making life very difficult. I only have a short period of time each day right now where I can use my eyes. It's bad.

    Four questions:

    1.) I believe aspirin is allowed on the protocol....I didn't see it mentioned anywhere (please keep in mind that I can barely use my eyes as of late due to swelling/histamine issues).....so please tell me that aspirin is allowed if it is. I don't want to do anything that would backfire. If aspirin is allowed, is there a limit to how much you can take? How much aspirin am I allowed on the protocol?

    2.) Also, is frozen fruit allowed?

    3.) Is frozen veggies allowed?

    4.) Are there any antihistamine products allowed that you know of, or natural remedies that you know of to combat histamine excess in the body?


    Any help or ideas on the four questions above is appreciated.

    Also, if there are any alternative anti-inflammatory approaches to using sizable amounts of aspirin (which is possibly my only option at this point), please let me know.
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    So sorry you are dealing with a histamine flare up during your round. It sounds completely miserable.

    So, for what remedies are allowed. Aspirin is fine in whatever amount you can tolerate. I worry about aspirin use because it can severely irritate your stomach lining (which starts a whole nuther course of miseries), but if you can take it with food, that should help.

    Frozen fruits, veggies, proteins---all fine for protocol menus. Just make sure there are no added ingredients.

    Benedryl is a good antihistamine if you can tolerate it and would not interfere with protocol. A side bonus is that if you take it at night, it can help you sleep better.

    This is something that might help you, particularly since you mention the source of your histamine issue is a pathogen. There is a zeolite detox product called TRS (Toxin Removal System) by Coseva that has near miraculous effects in controlling histamines as one of its many effects. Its extremely safe (unlike chelation methods of detox) Its not cheap, so something you would want to research before committing to it. There is a closed facebook group where I learned about it after grammy gave me some info on it. I suggest joining the group and doing a group search for "histamine" and see what the testimonies are. The group tries to stay under the radar since its FaceBook and all that entails, so I'll PM you the link and you can follow up as you wish.

    Three natural things you can do: increased vitamin C and a quercetin/bromelain combo can help you control the histamine response. Something you can try right away is adding some Celtic sea salt to your water. You might get some speedy relief that way, because Celtic sea salt has both anti-inflammatory and anti-histamine properties and calms immune system oversensitivity.

    Increase your use of the natural anti-inflammatory spices: ginger, turmeric, garlic and onion as you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    So sorry you are dealing with a histamine flare up during your round. It sounds completely miserable.

    So, for what remedies are allowed. Aspirin is fine in whatever amount you can tolerate. I worry about aspirin use because it can severely irritate your stomach lining (which starts a whole nuther course of miseries), but if you can take it with food, that should help.

    Frozen fruits, veggies, proteins---all fine for protocol menus. Just make sure there are no added ingredients.

    Benedryl is a good antihistamine if you can tolerate it and would not interfere with protocol. A side bonus is that if you take it at night, it can help you sleep better.

    This is something that might help you, particularly since you mention the source of your histamine issue is a pathogen. There is a zeolite detox product called TRS (Toxin Removal System) by Coseva that has near miraculous effects in controlling histamines as one of its many effects. Its extremely safe (unlike chelation methods of detox) Its not cheap, so something you would want to research before committing to it. There is a closed facebook group where I learned about it after grammy gave me some info on it. I suggest joining the group and doing a group search for "histamine" and see what the testimonies are. The group tries to stay under the radar since its FaceBook and all that entails, so I'll PM you the link and you can follow up as you wish.

    Three natural things you can do: increased vitamin C and a quercetin/bromelain combo can help you control the histamine response. Something you can try right away is adding some Celtic sea salt to your water. You might get some speedy relief that way, because Celtic sea salt has both anti-inflammatory and anti-histamine properties and calms immune system oversensitivity.

    Increase your use of the natural anti-inflammatory spices: ginger, turmeric, garlic and onion as you can.
    //The Good News//

    Thank you, thank you, Leez!!

    I took 2 Benadryl, and it has been the solution I wish I'd tried a couple weeks ago. I was so scared that any medication would interfere, lol....was hoping to just 'ride it out'....that didn't work, of course.

    And this morning, I woke up without my eyes sealed shut (a first in awhile). NO more 'battery acid tears'....and a half lb lost on the scale today! Still qualifies as a 'wobble' -- is in range of the weight I keep going a few ounces up and down over, over and over again (apparently my body loves 129 lbs on me)......but it's at least a move in the right direction! Currently now taking JUST ONE at a time, instead of a couple, lol....I normally wouldn't have taken so much but I was desperate; fell asleep yesterday afternoon about 30 minutes after taking them, LOL.



    So once again, I'll say thank you so much for that, Leez!! A genuine solution. Relief, finally....so wonderful to feel normal again.

    And the news on the strategy you mentioned -- to possibly get rid of the bane of my existence -- OH MY GOD that would be GREAT. That is REALLY a point of hope for me there; will follow up with you via PM about it. Thank you for that too!

    Will avoid aspirin...and continue to take Benadryl I think.

    I looked for celtic sea salt locally and did not find any; will look into that later, likely online. As to the other herbs and so forth, ginger is likely the best candidate for me; that was also something I was afraid of using too much, but I'll forego the hesitation to use it, and incorporate it into my diet these last few days of P2 and beyond.


    //The Bad News//

    I will likely not finish the round as close to my goal weight as I'd like, and will have to do another round. My goal weight was 116 lbs; started at 136.4 lbs. Load gain overall was 3 lbs. And now: I'm stuck "wobbling" at 129 lbs....I don't expect to even get to 120 lbs, or even 125 lbs at this point. Which is heartbreaking. That means I'll most definitely have to do another round.

    I personally blame my histamine issues coupled with hypothyroid issues. My body has been fighting losing this weight -- the stubborn "last weight" seems to be at odds with the rest of my body. It's expected, of course -- I knew it would be a battle, based on my history of medical issues -- but it is still heartbreaking, of course.


    //What I'm Wondering//


    1.) Do I space out the next round -- when to start it -- as if it is "between Round 5 and Round 6"........or do I space out the next round as if it is "between Round 1 and Round 2"...?

    I finished my last Round (Round 4) in May of 2013; that was Round 4. Now, since it's been so long.....can I count this as a "do-over" of all the spaces between rounds -- and plan the next round on the calendar by spacing it as if it were R2? Or, do I have to adhere to the spacing guidelines, no matter how long it was between R4 and this round (R5), and do the next round as a 'Round 6' for its upcoming start date...?


    2.) My dose...should have been adjusted?

    My hunger was fine throughout this round; I occasionally had a very very slight hunger pang now and then, and it would be barely noticeable. It would then pass, after just about 5 minutes. So I never adjusted my dose. Do you think a stronger dose would have produced better results? I'm using 150 IUs (60 on insulin needle); would going up a few notches either this round or the next be a good idea?


    3.) I'm currently at 128.8; this is day 36 of a 42-day round. Do you think there is anything I can do to maximize losses before P2 ends?

    I am skipping tomorrow's injection (day 37), and will last inject this coming Wednesday (day 40).......with the last day in P2, then being this coming Friday. I doubt I'll get to my original goal weight of 116. I doubt I'll even get to 125 lbs at this point; very very disappointing. Anything you think I can do before my last injection to help get my weight down past this "wobble" -- that like a boomerang keeps me hovering around 129.0 lbs???

    According to my doctor, I could get to as low as 103 lbs and still be considered "normal weight" for my frame (remember, I'm 5'1"). So another round seems reasonable.

    Doing another round is most definitely not my first choice, but seeing as how I started at 136.4 lbs, gained only 3 lbs on load days........man. I expected better results than this, but it is what it is. Having hypothyroidism sucks for results in any capacity when losing weight.....so it is what it is. At least I broke the 130 lb mark -- one I'd struggled to break through since the moment my thyroid issues got re-activated.


    I'm so bummed.

    Please let me know what you think, Leez. I want to get better results my next round, and hopefully I can start my next round on the calendar as if it's 'Round 2' and not 'Round 6' -- I think the time between R5 and R6 is pretty lengthy.....which would really really suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GonnaLoseIt View Post
    Morning, Leez!

    So, I have 'histamine intolerance.'

    My histamine issues are currently raaaaging out of control. I do not take meds for it; I usually control via diet. Now that I can't control it with the usual foods I use to control histamine issues (fat helps....aaand I'm on zero fat lol).....well, now I have to be creative in other ways. Was hoping the lack of fat wouldn't be an issue for my histamine intolerance, but apparently it is.

    My body produces an excess of histamine because of a pathogen that will not die -- it eats histidine and secretes histamine as its only byrpoduct. So trying to find a way to live with it is hell, but trying to kill it at this point hasn't worked.

    That being said, my histamine levels have been off the charts the past week. Correlating with the "wobble stall".....eyes virtually glued shut when I wake up, 'battery acid tears' rolling down my face at random times, bloating, etc...it's making life very difficult. I only have a short period of time each day right now where I can use my eyes. It's bad.

    Four questions:

    1.) I believe aspirin is allowed on the protocol....I didn't see it mentioned anywhere (please keep in mind that I can barely use my eyes as of late due to swelling/histamine issues).....so please tell me that aspirin is allowed if it is. I don't want to do anything that would backfire. If aspirin is allowed, is there a limit to how much you can take? How much aspirin am I allowed on the protocol?

    2.) Also, is frozen fruit allowed?

    3.) Is frozen veggies allowed?

    4.) Are there any antihistamine products allowed that you know of, or natural remedies that you know of to combat histamine excess in the body?


    Any help or ideas on the four questions above is appreciated.

    Also, if there are any alternative anti-inflammatory approaches to using sizable amounts of aspirin (which is possibly my only option at this point), please let me know.
    I am on a daily aspirin regimen due to my brain aneurysm and have had no issues at all. Your issue sounds awful Lovely Losers 2020 - Absolutely Active in AUGUST!! I hope you find some relief.


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    You have some great determination to be doing a long round and still only having lost a little over 8 pounds. My hats off to you. That is HARD.
    But I think you are right...your histamine issues are the likely culprit that kept inflammation high, possibly hindering the action of the HCG.

    I'm so glad you got some relief from the Benedryl--that is awesome! If you need to not be drowsy, Claritin may be an alternate option for you.

    1.) Do I space out the next round -- when to start it -- as if it is "between Round 5 and Round 6"........or do I space out the next round as if it is "between Round 1 and Round 2"...?

    I finished my last Round (Round 4) in May of 2013; that was Round 4. Now, since it's been so long.....can I count this as a "do-over" of all the spaces between rounds -- and plan the next round on the calendar by spacing it as if it were R2? Or, do I have to adhere to the spacing guidelines, no matter how long it was between R4 and this round (R5), and do the next round as a 'Round 6' for its upcoming start date...?
    Yes, this counts as a round 1 since its been over a year since your last one.


    2.) My dose...should have been adjusted?

    My hunger was fine throughout this round; I occasionally had a very very slight hunger pang now and then, and it would be barely noticeable. It would then pass, after just about 5 minutes. So I never adjusted my dose. Do you think a stronger dose would have produced better results? I'm using 150 IUs (60 on insulin needle); would going up a few notches either this round or the next be a good idea?
    Barely noticeable hunger does not indicate the need for a dose change. However poor losses can be an indicator. In your case, though I don't think yours is exclusively a dose problem, but being in a constant state of histamine storm and inflammation probably is the issue. But let's use your skip day tomorrow as a dose test and take note of your hunger level at 4pm and thereafter. If it is markedly different as in much less or gone, you could lower your dose to 125iu for the remainder of your round. Another indicator would be feeling really great at about that time--as in unusually high energy, exhuberant mood, and overall sense of well-being. Its unlikely you would need more, but its possible. In that case, you would get VERY hungry around 4PM and into the evening. If that happens, you would raise your dose to 175iu. My guess is that your dose is just fine as it is--but we can always be surprised.

    3.) I'm currently at 128.8; this is day 36 of a 42-day round. Do you think there is anything I can do to maximize losses before P2 ends?

    I am skipping tomorrow's injection (day 37), and will last inject this coming Wednesday (day 40).......with the last day in P2, then being this coming Friday. I doubt I'll get to my original goal weight of 116. I doubt I'll even get to 125 lbs at this point; very very disappointing. Anything you think I can do before my last injection to help get my weight down past this "wobble" -- that like a boomerang keeps me hovering around 129.0 lbs???
    Do whatever you can to decrease inflammation, that will be the biggest key, and just stay on protocol. There isn't really anything else you can do that wouldn't just move the scale temporarily.

    According to my doctor, I could get to as low as 103 lbs and still be considered "normal weight" for my frame (remember, I'm 5'1"). So another round seems reasonable.

    Doing another round is most definitely not my first choice, but seeing as how I started at 136.4 lbs, gained only 3 lbs on load days........man. I expected better results than this, but it is what it is. Having hypothyroidism sucks for results in any capacity when losing weight.....so it is what it is. At least I broke the 130 lb mark -- one I'd struggled to break through since the moment my thyroid issues got re-activated.
    People lose well even with thyroid issues, so I don't think that is what kept your losses low. You should be able to lose 20 pounds in a long round, even if a slow loser. Hopefully, your next round will have you starting in a better place and you'll have more success.
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