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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    You have some great determination to be doing a long round and still only having lost a little over 8 pounds. My hats off to you. That is HARD.
    But I think you are right...your histamine issues are the likely culprit that kept inflammation high, possibly hindering the action of the HCG.

    I'm so glad you got some relief from the Benedryl--that is awesome! If you need to not be drowsy, Claritin may be an alternate option for you.


    Yes, this counts as a round 1 since its been over a year since your last one.



    Barely noticeable hunger does not indicate the need for a dose change. However poor losses can be an indicator. In your case, though I don't think yours is exclusively a dose problem, but being in a constant state of histamine storm and inflammation probably is the issue. But let's use your skip day tomorrow as a dose test and take note of your hunger level at 4pm and thereafter. If it is markedly different as in much less or gone, you could lower your dose to 125iu for the remainder of your round. Another indicator would be feeling really great at about that time--as in unusually high energy, exhuberant mood, and overall sense of well-being. Its unlikely you would need more, but its possible. In that case, you would get VERY hungry around 4PM and into the evening. If that happens, you would raise your dose to 175iu. My guess is that your dose is just fine as it is--but we can always be surprised.


    Do whatever you can to decrease inflammation, that will be the biggest key, and just stay on protocol. There isn't really anything else you can do that wouldn't just move the scale temporarily.



    People lose well even with thyroid issues, so I don't think that is what kept your losses low. You should be able to lose 20 pounds in a long round, even if a slow loser. Hopefully, your next round will have you starting in a better place and you'll have more success.

    Thanks, Leez!!

    So I do have a "skip day" I've already done, to reference; my first skip day this round was a couple days ago (I used the 'skip day sequence' that we worked out from a couple posts back). I can tell you that I was hungry around 4 PM-ish then (and I was not using anything at all to combat my histamine issues during that skip day, so nothing else can be pointed to as having any influence). It wasn't 'raging' hunger; just slightly more than usual. I wish I'd been aware then what that could have indicated....man oh man. But I wasn't thinking my dose needed to be adjusted. So I thought nothing of it at the time.

    I am guessing that that means I need to sliiiightly increase my dose. Perhaps to '64' on an insulin needle? That seems 'slight'....is it? There are 4 notches on my needle between every large number -- so there are 4 notches between '60' and '70.' Which I assume means "2, 4, 6, 8".....but I honestly have no idea how that works out to the notch of '60' equaling 150 IUs, much less what the notches of '62' or '64' mean on that needle in IUs.

    I used mixing instructions that use this amount of bacteriostatic water in its approach:

    - Gather up materials: a 2,000 IU vial of dry hCG plus bacteriostatic water for mixing, plus an empty, sterilized amber vial
    - Add 1 cc bacteriostatic water to a 2000 IU vial of dry hCG
    - Add 7 cc of bacteriostatic water to sterile amber vial
    - Draw the now mixed (formerly dry) hCG that is in 1cc bacteriostatic water
    - Inject the 1 cc of now mixed hCG into the sterile amber vial with its 7 ccs of bacteriostatic water
    - Swirl, gently, all contents of sterile amber vial, via swirling
    - Draw up your hCG to '60' on an insulin needle; this will be a dose of 150 international units (IUs)
    - Inject at the same time daily, in the morning, each day

    ^^those are the "Cliff Notes" version of what I did (I left out the "suck all the air out of the vial" and "sterilize things" parts....lol). You get the picture; that is the amount of bacteriostatic water I used to mix my hCG -- keep in mind that my mixing instructions are for use with a 2,000 IU vial of hCG. I have been remixing on the 11th day of each vial's life, to remain the freshest hCG possible (to maximize, hopefully, my losses). That is what I did for all previous 4 rounds, and it was a successful strategy.

    PLEASE NOTE: I used Hucog for my previous rounds. It was the liquid version of Hucog (and mixing was different due to the 1cc of fluid that 'liquid hCG' has; I didn't add any bacteriostatic water to the already-liquid hCG with that mixing 'recipe'....so yes, I accounted for that with the dry Ovidac I used for this round).

    Questions:

    1.) So, how many IUs is 'each notch' then...??? Please forgive my lack of confidence in my math skills, lol...hearing from you what you think each notch is in IUs would be very helpful

    2.) Should I go up when I inject after my skip day (next injection is two days from now, on Monday)...? I assume the display of hunger on my skip day (the only one I've done on this round, but happened a few days ago)......that hunger means I probably need to increase, right? Keep in mind it was mild, but most definitely there, more than "typical" hunger displayed itself on this round. I thought nothing of it....should have paid attention. Dangit.

    3.) If I should increase it, could I go up two or three notches (so it would be at the '64' or '66' mark on the needle)...? Or...some other amount (if any at all in your opinion)....??

    4.) If I should decrease it, what dose on the insulin needle (which 'notch') should I use?


    I wish I'd asked for help earlier; I had no idea it would get this bad. Losses for this round are abysmal, lol....
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    "slightly more than normal" hunger on the afternoon of a skip day means your dose is fine. As the levels start to drop from your correct dose, you may get some slight increase in hunger on the skip day. Remember I said above that if you get "VERY" hungry, that would be a reason to raise dose.

    I would not change your dose.

    Here is the math on your mixture. You are correct in that pulling to 60 means you are taking a dose of 150iu.
    2000iu divided by 8ml bac water = 250iu per 1 ml bac water
    150 (desired dose) divided by 250 = .6 or 60 on your syringe
    125iu divided by 250 = .5 or 50

    You can use that formula to figure any desired dose. You won't be able to do by notches....it will be some decimal of the number.

    You have to be on the same dose for the 4 previous days for the skip day results to mean anything. Honestly if you only have a few days left, I don't think its worth manipulating the dose now. Especially since your previous skip day showed your dose is fine.

    Here's an anecdote to illustrate: On one of my skip day early on, I was a little hungry in the early evening, so I raised my dose the next day by 10iu. In the 5 days following, I only lost a half a pound. I found out later that slight hunger was a normal reaction. So adding or subtracting even a few iu's can mess you up needlessly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    "slightly more than normal" hunger on the afternoon of a skip day means your dose is fine. As the levels start to drop from your correct dose, you may get some slight increase in hunger on the skip day. Remember I said above that if you get "VERY" hungry, that would be a reason to raise dose.

    I would not change your dose.

    Here is the math on your mixture. You are correct in that pulling to 60 means you are taking a dose of 150iu.
    2000iu divided by 8ml bac water = 250iu per 1 ml bac water
    150 (desired dose) divided by 250 = .6 or 60 on your syringe
    125iu divided by 250 = .5 or 50

    You can use that formula to figure any desired dose. You won't be able to do by notches....it will be some decimal of the number.

    You have to be on the same dose for the 4 previous days for the skip day results to mean anything. Honestly if you only have a few days left, I don't think its worth manipulating the dose now. Especially since your previous skip day showed your dose is fine.

    Here's an anecdote to illustrate: On one of my skip day early on, I was a little hungry in the early evening, so I raised my dose the next day by 10iu. In the 5 days following, I only lost a half a pound. I found out later that slight hunger was a normal reaction. So adding or subtracting even a few iu's can mess you up needlessly.

    OH thank God. I was afraid I'd missed something -- this is great.

    Follow-up questions:

    1.) Just out of curiosity, have you heard if liquid (premixed) Hucog is "more" or "less" potent than Ovidac?

    2.) And, if I do get a lot of hunger tomorrow afternoon, would that be a sign that my hCG now has stopped working (immunity)....?

    3.) In the future, if I ever get really hungry on a skip day, would I need to compensate by eating an extra protein, or extra fruit, or extra veggie to make sure I don't access 'the wrong fat' (subQ fat) -- if my dose is off in the next round?


    Thank you once again for giving me great information and reassurance; this round has been so freaking weird. I greatly appreciate your guidance, Leez....so, so much! <3
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    Glad I can help.

    1.) Just out of curiosity, have you heard if liquid (premixed) Hucog is "more" or "less" potent than Ovidac?
    I think they have been considered about the same. Corion:strongest, next Odivac then Hucog, then all the others.) The Odivac might be just a tad stronger than hucog.

    2.) And, if I do get a lot of hunger tomorrow afternoon, would that be a sign that my hCG now has stopped working (immunity)....?
    Probably not, since you did start skipping after 30 days. I don't expect you will though. If you do reach immunity at some point, changing dose will have no effect--you'll just have relentless, painful hunger that won't stop.

    3.) In the future, if I ever get really hungry on a skip day, would I need to compensate by eating an extra protein, or extra fruit, or extra veggie to make sure I don't access 'the wrong fat' (subQ fat) -- if my dose is off in the next round?
    Getting into wrong fat burning mode is not that immediate. Just continue on protocol unless hunger is so strong (like painful strong) that you HAVE to eat something, and if so, some extra protein would be the best choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Glad I can help.


    I think they have been considered about the same. Corion:strongest, next Odivac then Hucog, then all the others.) The Odivac might be just a tad stronger than hucog.

    Probably not, since you did start skipping after 30 days. I don't expect you will though. If you do reach immunity at some point, changing dose will have no effect--you'll just have relentless, painful hunger that won't stop.



    Getting into wrong fat burning mode is not that immediate. Just continue on protocol unless hunger is so strong (like painful strong) that you HAVE to eat something, and if so, some extra protein would be the best choice.

    Thanks , Leez!

    For my next round, I'm probably going to go back to Hucog. It worked for me before.....granted, it was before my histamine issues really existed, but still -- it worked for me with my hypothyroid issues back in the day.

    The reason I used Ovidac this time vs Hucog: was informed that liquid Hucog might not be as potent as Ovidac. Laughably, I've now experienced the opposite issue. So -- going back to Hucog next round. The round I never thought I'd ever have to do again....AAAARRGH, lol.

    So since taking the Benadryl, I really haven't seen the scale move that much. Hunger was still virtually non-existent on my skip day the other day. Just as it has been the entire round -- I might get a "memory" of hunger every now and then, for about 3-5 minutes....then poof -- nothing. That's a good thing, I believe. Still stuck at the "wobble" pattern from earlier. Though now, thanks to Benadryl, I can function without disabling histamine issues. But the scale hasn't moved. It's disheartening, to say the least.


    A question for you:

    Today is Day 40 of P2.

    Pounds and Inches says "after 40 injections" -- I've now only had 38 injections.

    I had to re-read Pounds and Inches a couple times just to make sure Simeons didn't say "40 days" -- he says "40 injections"....and that apparently was taking into account that people would "skip on a Sunday" throughout their round.

    Since I've only done 38 shots, do I go for 2 more days on P2 now?

    That would mean that:
    the 72-hour "countdown" from my last P2 shot would not start today.....INSTEAD, then P2 (normal) shots and eating would continue today (shot day 38), tomorrow (shot day 39), and the next day (shot day 40) which is Friday. Then Friday being shot day 40...would be the day of my last injection, not today (Wednesday).

    So then starting Friday morning, adding on the 72 hours means that on Monday morning I "officially" enter P3.

    Is this correct?

    Please let me know what you think, Leez.
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    Yes, 40 injections (40 dose days) is the limit

    The two loading days count.

    If Friday morning is you last dose day, 72 hours from that point would be the start of P3--so Monday morning.

    Congrats on completing a long round. That is an accomplishment! And especially with your histamine challenges. *applauds* ^_^
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    Odd and funny

    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Yes, 40 injections (40 dose days) is the limit

    The two loading days count.

    If Friday morning is you last dose day, 72 hours from that point would be the start of P3--so Monday morning.

    Congrats on completing a long round. That is an accomplishment! And especially with your histamine challenges. *applauds* ^_^
    Thanks, Leez!!


    //What a long strange trip this has been//

    So, yesterday -- "injection day 39" -- around 5 PM I got noticeably hungry. Not ravenous, but....definitely there. On the strong side. So, I used your suggestion -- added one other portion of protein (100 g chicken breast).

    About 45 minutes later, all I could think about was..........strawberries. LOOOOL.....FROZEN STRAWBERRIES!!! How their texture in my mouth felt after they'd come out of the freezer and defrosted -- like Jello. Squishy. How I enjoyed the "squishing" of the strawberries, how they tasted as they burst in my mouth. I mean.....LOL. Never in my life have I ever fantasized about strawberries.

    So, I ate the damn strawberries. Best meal I think I've had in my entire life. Of defrosted, jello-like, previously frozen strawberries. Hahahaa....never would have ever thought I would be saying those words.


    //My Weight//

    On the morning of yesterday's injection, I weighed 127.4.....exactly 9 lbs where I started from (136.4)....

    TODAY though -- I now weigh 126.6.....and when I looked in the mirror, for the first time in about 2 years, I looked like myself again. Closer to where I was before I went on deployment to help with the hurricane recovery efforts.

    Ideally I should be 10 lbs less for my 5'1" frame, but at this weight I am looking more like the person I know and love rather than the stranger who has looked back at me for the past 2 years. So that's a good thing.


    QUESTIONS:

    1.) I believe Last Injection Weight ("LIW") is the weight you weigh on the morning OF your last injection.....not the morning AFTER your last injection, right? SO my LIW is going to be 127.4 (yesterday) and not 126.6 (today -- a day I did not inject)......right?

    2.) If 127.4 is my LIW, with all my histamine issues (that means much of what is on my frame is still water weight/histamine-induced bloat)............soooo, if I go below 2 lbs, do I need to be concerned? Cuz, what if the "whoosh" comes in a few days -- of all the flushing out of the bloat/water that is likely still there.....and that is the "real reason" for dropping below 2 lbs from LIW???

    3.) How can we know if any further weight loss is going to be a "de-bloating" versus the dreaded "normal fat" being lost??

    4.) Upcoming dose.....back to Hucog next round. FOR THE LIFE OF ME I cannot remember what I used (eek!)....so, that's troublesome. Where in the WORLD would I start with Hucog -- ?? It's supposed to be "less potent" than Ovidac. I dosed at 150 IUs this round with Ovidac....was it too high, you think -- seeing as how strawberry obsession took my brain away at the end? Or is that "natural immunity" developing, seeing as how it was "injection day 39" out of 40 (an expected, natural phenomenon)...? I'm "guessing" that if I am not hungry out of my mind this afternoon, it means that my dose was just "too high"....and it was not immunity showing itself. Is that correct, you think? Will that be how I'll know if it was immunity versus "too high" a dose?


    Man oh man.....I'm really really really looking forward to P3 now. I mean, hey -- no strawberries, but OMG steak!!! Hahaha...cannot wait. Missed fat a ton.

    Thanks again for all your help, Leez!!

    I hope the next round (in 6 weeks....cuz this is R5 but is effectively R1 all over again, due to it being over 7 years since the end of R4).....is far less strange than this one was, lol.
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    1.) I believe Last Injection Weight ("LIW") is the weight you weigh on the morning OF your last injection.....not the morning AFTER your last injection, right? SO my LIW is going to be 127.4 (yesterday) and not 126.6 (today -- a day I did not inject)......right?
    Also known as "last DAY weight" yes. The weight you register on the morning of your last injection is LIW.

    2.) If 127.4 is my LIW, with all my histamine issues (that means much of what is on my frame is still water weight/histamine-induced bloat)............soooo, if I go below 2 lbs, do I need to be concerned? Cuz, what if the "whoosh" comes in a few days -- of all the flushing out of the bloat/water that is likely still there.....and that is the "real reason" for dropping below 2 lbs from LIW???
    Unless it gets to be around 7 or more pounds under, don't worry about it. Instead, rejoice. And yes, the window goes both ways around LIW because sometimes you just naturally drop down, like from a whoosh.

    3.) How can we know if any further weight loss is going to be a "de-bloating" versus the dreaded "normal fat" being lost??
    If it isn't more than a few pounds, there is no reason to be concerned. You'll know if its the wrong kind of loss, because you won't get that unless you starve yourself.

    4.) Upcoming dose.....back to Hucog next round. FOR THE LIFE OF ME I cannot remember what I used (eek!)....so, that's troublesome. Where in the WORLD would I start with Hucog -- ?? It's supposed to be "less potent" than Ovidac. I dosed at 150 IUs this round with Ovidac....was it too high, you think -- seeing as how strawberry obsession took my brain away at the end? Or is that "natural immunity" developing, seeing as how it was "injection day 39" out of 40 (an expected, natural phenomenon)...? I'm "guessing" that if I am not hungry out of my mind this afternoon, it means that my dose was just "too high"....and it was not immunity showing itself. Is that correct, you think? Will that be how I'll know if it was immunity versus "too high" a dose?
    The differences in strength between brands is not really that pronounced. I'd start at whatever dose you ended at this round. You've kind of got it backwards. Hunger indicates not enough HCG is left in your body if is from a dose issue. As for immunity, you only had a fleeting instance of strong hunger. You didn't keep pumping in HCG after that. I doubt its an issue. You might be overthinking things---just a bit.

    Man oh man.....I'm really really really looking forward to P3 now. I mean, hey -- no strawberries, but OMG steak!!! Hahaha...cannot wait. Missed fat a ton.
    Why no strawberries? You can have any kind of fruit in P3. Enjoy that steak! And really enjoy feeling like yourself again. That is the best. Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Also known as "last DAY weight" yes. The weight you register on the morning of your last injection is LIW.


    Unless it gets to be around 7 or more pounds under, don't worry about it. Instead, rejoice. And yes, the window goes both ways around LIW because sometimes you just naturally drop down, like from a whoosh.


    If it isn't more than a few pounds, there is no reason to be concerned. You'll know if its the wrong kind of loss, because you won't get that unless you starve yourself.


    The differences in strength between brands is not really that pronounced. I'd start at whatever dose you ended at this round. You've kind of got it backwards. Hunger indicates not enough HCG is left in your body if is from a dose issue. As for immunity, you only had a fleeting instance of strong hunger. You didn't keep pumping in HCG after that. I doubt its an issue. You might be overthinking things---just a bit.


    Why no strawberries? You can have any kind of fruit in P3. Enjoy that steak! And really enjoy feeling like yourself again. That is the best. Ever.
    Oh that is great, thanks Leez!


    As for strawberries:

    I thought the warning in Pounds and Inches by Simeons that stated "be careful with very sweet fruit" meant that it was a grey area with something like strawberries...and if I was going to be on the cautious side, that I would want to cut them out for the next 3 weeks. Then, I could re-introduce them in P4. That was my reasoning, at least. You don't think that's necessary? I'm quite paranoid after the "wackiness" of this round; it's been nothing but unwelcome surprises -- so I wanted to take care to not take even the slightest chance of screwing up P3, so avoiding "very sweet fruit" was what I was going to do. So no avoidance of strawberries in P3, even with these odd issues that have cropped up?


    As to hunger:

    So would the poor losses this round, plus the hunger from yesterday.....all indicate I've possibly been on too low a dose of Ovidac the whole time?


    //Gonna 'do it scared' anyway//

    Gotta say that I'm relatively scared I'll not do well on Hucog this next future round, but I'm going to do it anyway. Doing things while scared is something I'm a fan of. As long as the fear is unwarranted, of course. Fear has a place, a use....I wouldn't tell myself to not be scared of jumping off a cliff, for example....lol. But I'm going to do my next round, with Hucog, even though after this round I've got to admit, I'm a little gunshy, lol. Gotta do it, though; it's the only thing that has ever worked for me. Even these 9.8 lbs lost -- would not have been able to do it without hCG.

    Still worth it.

    If my dose has been too low this entire round, on top of the histamine issues, I'm sure that would explain a lot. What do you think -- dose too low?
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    I thought the warning in Pounds and Inches by Simeons that stated "be careful with very sweet fruit" meant that it was a grey area with something like strawberries...and if I was going to be on the cautious side, that I would want to cut them out for the next 3 weeks. Then, I could re-introduce them in P4. That was my reasoning, at least.
    The sweet fruits are more like banana, mango and cherries. Strawberries are berries...and berries are the fruits lowest on the glycemic level. Pineapple is a "sweet fruit" but it has so much fiber, it is also low glycemic, and a perfect choice for P3 because the bromelain it contains aids in digestion. Some people stick to just berries for P3, but that is a self-imposed restriction, not one recommended in the protocol. And to be clear, the protocol doesn't say to avoid sweet fruits, it just says to be careful. That means eat one small banana not 3 large ones at one meal.


    If my dose has been too low this entire round, on top of the histamine issues, I'm sure that would explain a lot. What do you think -- dose too low?
    I don't think your dose was too low or too high. Wasn't that the conclusion of your skip day observations?

    But hypothetically, yes. A dose either too high or too low causes hunger and/or poor losses.

    If you run into similar issues in your next round, I'd consider testing the potency of the HCG itself. Weakening HCG can be responsible for those symptoms as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    The sweet fruits are more like banana, mango and cherries. Strawberries are berries...and berries are the fruits lowest on the glycemic level. Pineapple is a "sweet fruit" but it has so much fiber, it is also low glycemic, and a perfect choice for P3 because the bromelain it contains aids in digestion. Some people stick to just berries for P3, but that is a self-imposed restriction, not one recommended in the protocol. And to be clear, the protocol doesn't say to avoid sweet fruits, it just says to be careful. That means eat one small banana not 3 large ones at one meal.



    I don't think your dose was too low or too high. Wasn't that the conclusion of your skip day observations?

    But hypothetically, yes. A dose either too high or too low causes hunger and/or poor losses.

    If you run into similar issues in your next round, I'd consider testing the potency of the HCG itself. Weakening HCG can be responsible for those symptoms as well.

    That's reassuring; thanks, Leez!

    As to the "test the potency" part: that, I can assure you, is one thing I can definitely say has been done. Each time; I have test strips, and tested them at the beginning of the use of each batch/vial, as well as at the end of each vial, before throwing it out. Always got a firm "yes this is hCG" result from the test strips. Used the mixed hCG I'd made, and squirted it directly on the strip itself -- the amount I was using each day to inject. So, potency at the beginning and end of each vial is definitely confirmed; it was valid. And even tested this morning, this last batch I'd made; it, too, passed the test. Completely valid.


    //P3, here I come!!//

    I hope I don't have any hunger tonight, around 5 PM again. MAN OH MAN I do not. If I do, I'll just did what I did yesterday -- add another hCG protein and strawberries.


    //Oddly//

    I've not had any more histamine issues in the past couple days. Oddly, I've been on aspirin alone -- no Benadryl for the past few days; ran out and didn't feel like going back to the store. And aspirin oddly enough worked even better than Benadryl! Taking 4 plain uncoated 325 mg tablets of Bayer aspirin; doing that 2x a day for a total of 8 tablets in a day (limit is supposedly 12 of them in a day, so I am not maxing out, which I suppose is good). No stomach irritation, which is great.


    QUESTION:

    1.) Ever hear of 'detox' symptoms in P2 that are associated with histamine, Leez? If so, what were they -- similar to mine?

    2.) Do people ever release from their fat (or detox) things like...histamine that has been stored inside the fat being released, or even maybe, idk....candida or parasites or whatnot when on P2, that you know of? Basically, have you seen anything similar to my wacky P2 histamine issues with anyone else?

    3.) Is there something else I could do tonight if hunger hits besides than just adding another P2 protein and strawberries...? Is there a better way to handle it than what I did??
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    Good that you can eliminate HCG potency as a factor. Your test was done exactly correctly.

    Many things can be stored in your fat cells -- vitamins, allergens, toxins like heavy metals. You could have been going through some detox in P2, since P2 is a pretty straight forward elimination diet. Sugar detox can initiate candida die-off, but since you are eating fruit in P2, its unlikely that kind of detox would be triggered.

    I can't remember any specific symptoms being reported that were associated with histamine detox. Histamine intolerance is basically an allergic reaction with no allergen present. Probably the best thing you can do going forward is to support your liver. If you are not already taking milk thistle, its definitely worth adding to your regimen.

    If you encounter hunger tonight, and the extra food helped, it won't hurt you to do that again. Just stay within the P2 menu until you reach P3. Hot tea can sometimes quiet hunger, but if something like that doesn't work, go ahead and eat a little more.
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