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    Dubs,
    I donít want to beat the same drum over and overÖ but! I know you are doing great on avoiding sugars and starches, but once you have this correction day over Ö

    (And lots of people donít do a fast all day and then the steak and tomato- search the threads and there is a chicken thigh CD where you eat baked chicken thighs all day long)

    But maybe consider tracking your protein and fat calories for 2-3 days with a phone app, just to make sure. Your P3 sounds a lot like all my previous ones where I held off adding stuff, cut down, just ate larger P2 food servings and crept up to Correction Days.

    Not doubting you, just trying to think of something that might help make this easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PearlyMae View Post
    Dubs,
    I don’t want to beat the same drum over and over… but! I know you are doing great on avoiding sugars and starches, but once you have this correction day over …

    (And lots of people don’t do a fast all day and then the steak and tomato- search the threads and there is a chicken thigh CD where you eat baked chicken thighs all day long)

    But maybe consider tracking your protein and fat calories for 2-3 days with a phone app, just to make sure. Your P3 sounds a lot like all my previous ones where I held off adding stuff, cut down, just ate larger P2 food servings and crept up to Correction Days.

    Not doubting you, just trying to think of something that might help make this easier.

    Gotta run the dogs to the groomers. Penny is sleepy from meds.

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    Thanks so much for feedback Pearly, I think it is Polly? I appreciate any and all feedback. When I did my transition days , I lost basically a couple of oz from last dose weight. I am thinking with the addition of more food volume, I may need to adjust that last dose weight up maybe just a lb. I don't want to do correction days all the time. You may be onto something, tho, I may be having too many fat calories? And I do not want to hold back and eat less and less, I hear you there! Thanks again,

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    Quote Originally Posted by poweredbystarbucks View Post
    I truly think .2 is just normal fluctuation and could be a little poop, lol. Also, I freeze the last 10 or so vials do they donít lose their potency. Youíre going to have a blast at the wedding.

    I went nuts for my PI and went from 150.8 to 158.2 and I know you wonít do what I did but Iím.l back on and am down to 154.4 and hope to shake off the rest in the next few days. Last time I got down to 147 for my LDW and ended up around 151-153 so I want to get there again.

    Brett went to Dallas for the week so itís just me and the dogs and the boys when they are here. I am hoping to be 150 by the time he gets back though he doesnít care. He met me when I was 190 and puffy and hungover Lovely Losers 2021-Just JOVIAL in JUNEl!!. What a difference three years makes.

    I have a second job interview today and Iím feeling good. I will wear a really cute blouse and yoga pants Lovely Losers 2021-Just JOVIAL in JUNEl!!Lovely Losers 2021-Just JOVIAL in JUNEl!! as itís on zoom. Mentally prepping but the internal recruiter said I gave a great interview and my friend who reached out to me will be on the call as well. I need this change Lovely Losers 2021-Just JOVIAL in JUNEl!!

    Pearly, I hope the pups are okay!!


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    Thanks for the advice on freezing the vials. Can I just stick the entire vial in the freezer or do you fill the syringes? And you are right about the .2#, I think yesterday when the scale was still rising after eating p3 I was just frusterated seeing the scale move up everyday since I started P3.
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    mrsstrong ~ Yes the dress still fits (Thank God)!! And I I'm a bit embarrased about complaining about .2# gain, it wasn't so much that gain as it was the scale was continually moving in the wrong direction from the first day of P3. I even had a lot of wiggle room that disapated after the 1st 2 days. I know I just need to trust the process and yes... I can definately wait out the next round after the wedding! In fact, I think that is what I probably should do so that I can at least get my 3 weeks of P3 and 3 weeks or P4 in and hopefully stabilize ok.

    Dubbs ~ I hear a lot of people move their LDW up a bit and you need to do what is best for you! I can completely relate to that!! I am just not one that can go all day without eating.. but as Perly mentioned, if you can do a chicken thigh day all day, that might not be so bad. I sort of like having my days (food wise) spelled out for me!! I enjoy food though....!! Either way, it sounds to me like you are doing everything right!! Except.... can you eat plantains in P3? I thought those were on the forbidden list? Not sure, as I know I have read other people eating them but maybe cut those out for a day or two and see if that helps? You've got this!!

    Leez ~ thanks for the reminder to eat!! Yesterday was the fist day I didn't log my food and just ate when I felt hungry (Which I have to say, my hunger has subsided quit a bit since doing this diet)!

    Starbucks ~ you look friken fantastic girl!! I hope you get the job!! Good luck!!

    Pearly ~ I hope the pups are feeling better!! Sounds positive if they are going to the groomers!! I have been trying to find a mobil groomer here to get my Einstein groomed before we go out of town but man... everyone is booked!!

    As for me today I am finally down .9#'s on the scale. Just under my LDW. I had egg bites and a breve latte for breakfast which filled me up quit a bit!! Was at my moms and didn't pack a lunch so I popped a bag of popcorn, also had some cheese and salami, mixed nuts and some cut up cucumber and yellow bell peppers. Then for dinner I had tri tip and green beans (skipped the cuscous) and some berries for dessert, oh, and some lillys chocolate bar. All in all, I really wasn't hugry and I have no idea how many calories I ate but yesterday was the first day I didn't log everything in my phone. Who knows why the loss really.... I am going to try and stick with eating when I am hungry and eating until I am satisfied and I really need to drink the water!! Man... I was so good about water intake in p2 but so far in p3, it's been hard to drink so much water!! I guess in p2 it helped fill my stomach, which I don't need to do now.

    Well, off to drop my dog off with the Rover gal and then going to get my hair done. (roots, highlights, trim and brazillian blowout)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbles View Post
    I am thinking with the addition of more food volume, I may need to adjust that last dose weight up maybe just a lb. I don't want to do correction days all the time. You may be onto something, tho, I may be having too many fat calories? ,
    Wait wait wait! I didnít explain that right! I am not worried about you eating too much fat, but not enough. And not enough protein. Your body will use it, both of them, but if youíre not getting enough not only will you ďstabilize ď at a calorie count level thatís not sustainable, but your body will be worried all the time about if It is getting enough so it hangs on to every drop!

    You wonít store fat if you are not eating sugar and starches. Believe me it goes right through! Same with proteins. You canít go no carbs, thatís not good for you either, but you get your carbs from lovely low-carb vegetables and fruit, youíre golden.

    As for volume of food inside of you, when you eat about the same number of calories every day you have the same amount of food inside you every day. So itís a wash. on those days when it takes longer to process what you eat and hangs for a day or two, thatís what the 2 pound window is for. To give you time to digest and process.

    If it takes adjusting your LDW by a bit, nothing wrong with that. Itís a difference that really makes no difference. You can think of it as a greater volume of food and that your actual body is a pound less, or .2 less or whatever.

    But I meant make sure youíre eating enough not that youíre eating too much. I honestly thought I was eating a whole lot and I wasnít. Iím just checking your perceptions.

    Yes, Iím really Polly. Pearlie Mae is a little white schnauzer. Lol. But since Iíve been on this thread, sheís lost a few pounds too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbles View Post
    Starbucks/Charlie, you looked great for interview! Remind us how much weight you'd like to lose--you look perfect to me! Hope you get the job! Keep up all your good work, that exercise looks great on you. And what a cute smile!
    Thank you Lovely Losers 2021-Just JOVIAL in JUNEl!! I would like to just stay right around this range of 150-155. The issue is will power and maintaining as I can shoot up so quickly!!

    Still at 154.4 this morning. That PI was brutal Lovely Losers 2021-Just JOVIAL in JUNEl!!


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    Dubbles, I think you need to roll with P3 and adjust if needed at the end. You can eat too much fat and gain but I doubt very much that you are eating too much fat unless you add it by the spoonful. Normal cooking with fat, some cream in coffee, it's all good. For P3 don't do lean anything.

    Charlie, fingers crossed on getting this job!

    Phoebe, yay on the dress and the drop!

    Polly, it helps to adjust LDW when someone is stabilizing higher so as to avoid feeling like a correction day is needed every other day. Sometimes this happens! I am stabilizing at 165 but my last round I stabilized 1.2 over and every morning was dreadful! Not much wiggle room.


    AFM. 165 again this morning. This has to be a set point for me since it is so stable. I am just eating and every now and then I catch myself thinking "Oh, that is right, I am in P4. I can have a bite of that!" (left over cheese cake) so I do without feeling I need to eat all the pieces that are left. Today I am going to have some corn chips since we have pico that needs to be eaten. This round has been magic. I can actually eat to satisfaction and stop. I read something yesterday that may be of interest to some.

    "Think of an apple. Imagine taking a big bite. Even if you love apples, you can’t imagine eating six of them at once, right? Because no matter how good they are, it’s not as though your mouth just had an orgasm, is it?
    CrŤme brŻlťe, though? Or cookie dough ice cream? Or “Mmmm … I love Turtles”? Total mouthgasm.
    Unlike a real orgasm, however, junk food doesn’t offer much of an afterglow. Plowing through half a pizza or a box of chocolates may make you feel good for a few minutes, but that feeling doesn’t stick around for the rest of the day. A sexual romp can keep you sated for a long time, but junk food begets more junk food: you keep eating well beyond the point of bodily energy requirements, losing track of how much you ate and being unable to tell whether you’re still hungry. Why do you do this? Because the reward is outstanding. Before you know it, the compulsion grows, and you need ever more sugar, salt and fat to quench the desire for the next mouthgasm.
    I’m going to stop writing that word now, okay?
    Here’s the thing: evolution programmed us to like certain flavors. One of the reasons we like sweetness is that it represents nutrition. A piece of fruit is at its nutritional peak when it’s at its sweetest. For the millennia of human evolution, seeking out sweetness was good—until technology started messing with things and making nutritionally vacant yet calorically dense hyper-flavored sugar-fat combination treats like hot fudge sundaes. What’s more, such foods are soft rather than crunchy, allowing for a fast ingestion that generates an immediate sense of pleasure. It seems similar to the difference between smoking heroin and injecting it.
    Have you ever had a perfectly ripe mango? It’s one of the most amazing-tasting natural foods on the planet. One mango has about 130 calories. How many can you eat? I’ve tried to eat more than one in a sitting, but halfway through the second I didn’t want any more. Something in my brain shuts down so a second one doesn’t seem that appealing, no matter how good the first one tasted.
    Compare that with a high-sugar/high-fat restaurant dessert such as the Keg’s carrot cake ŗ la mode. It has 2,344 calories. That’s 18 times as many calories as a mango. I know I would eat the whole thing and then lick the plate clean; the flavor is so overwhelming that all appetite control is lost. (Then I’d have to do a full marathon worth of running to burn it off. Think on that math.)
    So what the hell is going on here? It’s neuro-chemistry. Sugar, fat and salt all create a chemical cascade in your brain, an intricate interaction of hormones, neurotransmitters, endorphins, satiety signals and reward sensations. Mangos are a simple taste of natural sweetness—delicious, yes, but we get bored with it quickly. Processed treats, on the other hand, amplify and combine flavors to create an overwhelming taste sensation that’s hard to get tired of. And some people have it worse than others. These poor folk are more “reward sensitive” than the average Joe, and they crave the fix that drugs, alcohol or highly palatable (extra-yummy) food gives them more intensely. Others are what we call “super tasters,” experiencing greater taste intensities, both positive and negative. They’re more likely to love sweet foods, for example, and hate the bitterness of vegetables.
    What you just read was pulled from Chapter 2 of my book "Lose it Right", which is now available online for subscribers. You can check out the full Introduction to the book for free and decide if you want to subscribe to keep reading."

    James Fell is on FB though he is not for everyone. The reason I thought of this was that this reaction he is talking about does not happen when I have a few bites. A whole serving though, and the flood gates open it seems. Maybe I (and others) have a threshold.
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    I completely agree with adjusting LDW a bit if it keeps one steady without Correction Days. I never meant to imply otherwise.

    MrsS, add to your list of sweets that train our taste buds: breast milk is sweet.

    Personally, Iím an over taster of bitter. Probably why Iím hooked on salt.

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    MrsS, add to your list of sweets that train our taste buds: breast milk is sweet.
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    HI, all! I just found this group. Mind if I jump in? I've got about two weeks left of P2 and would love to chat with you all!

    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PearlyMae View Post
    Wait wait wait! I didn’t explain that right! I am not worried about you eating too much fat, but not enough. And not enough protein. Your body will use it, both of them, but if you’re not getting enough not only will you “stabilize “ at a calorie count level that’s not sustainable, but your body will be worried all the time about if It is getting enough so it hangs on to every drop!

    You won’t store fat if you are not eating sugar and starches. Believe me it goes right through! Same with proteins. You can’t go no carbs, that’s not good for you either, but you get your carbs from lovely low-carb vegetables and fruit, you’re golden.

    As for volume of food inside of you, when you eat about the same number of calories every day you have the same amount of food inside you every day. So it’s a wash. on those days when it takes longer to process what you eat and hangs for a day or two, that’s what the 2 pound window is for. To give you time to digest and process.

    If it takes adjusting your LDW by a bit, nothing wrong with that. It’s a difference that really makes no difference. You can think of it as a greater volume of food and that your actual body is a pound less, or .2 less or whatever.

    But I meant make sure you’re eating enough not that you’re eating too much. I honestly thought I was eating a whole lot and I wasn’t. I’m just checking your perceptions.

    Yes, I’m really Polly. Pearlie Mae is a little white schnauzer. Lol. But since I’ve been on this thread, she’s lost a few pounds too!

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    Thanks Ladies, for all your feedback! It really is helpful. And Polly, I did misunderstand a little so thank you for clarifying for me--I was thinking you thought I was eating too many fats. The only thing I think that maybe I shouldnt eat, on reflection, is the sugar free pnut butter. I have that as snack on celery What is stumping me is the fact that during my p3 periods this year, my planned interruptions--I didnt have any slow creep up. It's puzzling. Thanks tho for feedback and support, any and all of you. Incidentally, I was not a good girl--I didn't do a correction day at all Once I had breakfast my heart just wasn't in it. Had my usual breakfast, some leftover sirloin steak (nothing else) for lunch, about 4 stalks of celery with sugar free peanut butter for snack, a protein shake with 4 strawberries (only had 4 left), a salad with homemade ranch dressing (no sugar at all)--no cheese added today, just 1/2 of small tomato, little bit of onion, and bacon bits, then a smallish burger for dinner. I wonder if that is too much food, or too little? I was trying to keep it mostly protein base today We'll see how it goes in the morning. I am going to want to scream if the creep up continues. We'll see.

    writermama, by all means join in at any time on this thread or any--I've been watching your posts on the other thread. Your losses are outstanding, no other words for it. Training for a triathalon doesn't hurt for sure.

    And I agree with Polly, Deb--feel free to jump on board whenever.

    Sorry to make it so much about me today--seems like everyone else is doing well, which is good to hear. I'll try and be better tomorrow! Have a great Friday nite everyone! Weekend is here!

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