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    Thank you, Leez et al.

    I spent yesterday afternoon reading two of Dr. Brownstead's books, one on Iodine and one on thyroid. I didn't want to wait for a paperback to arrive by mail so downloaded the epub editions for $15 each. How to dose is not spelled out very well, probably so he can say he didn't tell anyone to do exactly whatever, and the epub not that searchable, but I think I finally got the diffferent vitamins, etc. that go with the whole protocol. I think reading all of that was important so I could (sort of) understand what it all was about. And no, we don't get enough iodine in our salt. By a lot.

    He touted that the protocol was inexpensive, but his idea of inexpensive and mine are not the same. The iodine supplement brand he quoted is $68 for 180 of the lowest dose size.The recommendation is for at least 2 of those a day minimum and up to 4 or more.The topmost dose in each tablet is $41 for one month. Then there's high dose Vit C (triple the EmergenC dose, which is higher than most) which at least I have on hand to start. Vit B2 and B3 complexes are in doses way to low to meet the requirements, but I found one that is another $30+ for 90 days. Selenium is another one, but Leez is right, it is in such small amounts, a few Brazil nuts in my fave mixed nuts will probably do. Regardless, it's going to be about $100 to even get started and per month after that. I get my T3 with my insurance with no copay, so that's a hit. But if I can get off the prescribed Rx roller coaster, it sounds worth it. I am definitely struggling with the lowered dose I was asked to do. I don't know from reading the books how long to stay on all of that, it depends on how i react to each part. Maybe just a maintenance dose of the iodine complex will be enough eventually.

    Okay, enough of all of that. I know a lot of us have low thyroid here, but if you want to read those books, the link to the website is in a post above. His idea is not that iodine heals low thyroid but that low iodine CAUSES low thyroid. Interesting.

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    You can do this way cheaper than that. I use Lugols (which is not a brand, but a formula for elemental iodine mixed with potassium iodide) You can even make it yourself. There are youtube videos about it. I use the J.Crow brand bought from their website, unless I see the Amazon listing ships from J.Crowe. One bottle lasts me a long time. If you starting low, the 2% is adequate (one drop = 2.5mg, if you are starting higher, you can get the 5% solution (1 drop = 7.5mg) You just put it in water and chug it. If your brazil nuts are from Brazil, one a day is enough. If they are from some other place, they will have almost no selenium. The amounts can vary widely nut to nut. But one a day seems to be safe, and the lower amount ones will balance out the the ones that have ridiculously high milligrams. I kind of mix it up with nuts sometimes and a 200mg selenium capsule other times and skip days here and there. Why 200mg? Because that is what my functional doc suggested and it hasn't caused any issues. Or you could do a smaller amount, 50mg or 100mg. Pink salt and vitamin C I use anyway.

    I have found spending some time in the facebook groups helpful as I was researching. Iodine for Beginners (Michah Coffey) kind of concentrates on the low and slow theory. Iodine protocols (Brian Haviland) is more general. Both reference Brownstein. Both groups are very responsive with information and suggestions and how to use the co-factor supplements. There is also UK group headed by a naturopath named Roderick Lane, Thyroid Care group. He will actually help you with dosing by looking at your weekly patch test (you post a picture of your wrist after painting it with iodine and then reporting how long it takes to fade), and has occasional livestreams where you can ask questions. I think he starts people right off at 50mg and moves them up from there if I remember correctly. He wants you to use 15% Lugols (which I don't think you can buy in the US) and an expensive liquid selenium though. I kind of gather info up from multiple places and adjust my own protocol according to my understanding of what my particular situation warrants. Hopping around through some of these will give you a much better idea on how you can do this in your budget and without making it too complicated.

    Here is a website with lots of info you can poke around in without joining any of the groups. (This is a site connected to the low and slow group)
    https://whyiodine.com/faq-cat/getting-started/

    You do eventually get to a maintenance dose, but always need to keep an eye on selenium. We get almost none in our food supply because soils are so depleted of vital minerals. Those, vitC and magnesium are kind of the baseline co-factors in my plan. For a reference point: it takes a year at 12.5mg to achieve iodine replenishment and saturation. You can get there faster at higher doses, but may run into more detox symptoms along the way. Those are from the halides that have taken the place of missing iodine---mostly bromides, we are bombarded with it daily, but also fluoride and chlorides.
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    I would investigate further any requirement for high dose Vit C supplementation. The stuff we get in tablets is synthesized ascorbic acid; but Vit C is actually a complex of compounds. We get Vit C complex practically everywhere in fresh foods, including meats, not just fruits and greens. In general, reducing carbs and seed oils reduces inflammation, and so less antioxidants like Vit C complex, are needed.

    One supplement that is often neglected is Vit K2, which is needed to assure calcium we consume goes to our bones, instead of being deposited in the arteries. It's especially necessary if you supplement Vit D3.

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    Good thoughts gz, especially about K2 (MK7) So many don't know about this.

    I sometimes make liposomal C in my Vitamix, then add it to smoothies. You can do it without a sonic cleaner with any vitamin C source you like. I like to use whole food C sources like acerola cherry and camu-camu. But really, I find a 1000 mg capsule daily to be enough. You might need more for detox days. Helps with headache.
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    (added to previous info post above)

    Here is a website with lots of info you can poke around in without joining any of the groups. (This is a site connected to the low and slow group)
    https://whyiodine.com/faq-cat/getting-started/
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    Morning and happy Memorial Day to y'all! I haven't checked in in like a week or so, but I'm still just hanging in there. Was super busy with birthdays and graduations, but those are over for now. I started doing some light exercising hoping to tone up as I have a lot of loose skin....well, I hope loose skin and not fat! Still hanging below LIW. I have some catching up to do on your posts!
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    Good to hear from you, tmott!

    Leez, that website is just what I needed. It's like an interpreter for a foreign language. Thank you! I will read it carefully!

    I am soooo tired of being exhausted and super aching already, (and COLD! I cannot get my feet warm!) and it only hit me about 10 days ago. I've been off my T3 dose for a month. I get to retest tomorrow, but that doesn't mean I'll get my previous rx back. So I have to march through this the best I can.

    Going to the pool and bouncing up and down sounds impossible right now. I was making such good progress! I am trying to keep in mind that my actual muscles that I was building up did not go away in ten days. I'm just feeling tired and weak, but I am not really. So I will try to keep doing SOME things. Over the weekend, I hibernated. Didn't help. Might as well keep moving, at least a much as I can. Up 3+ pounds. I am eating 99.9 % on protocol, so it's NOT ME.

    Onward, ever onward!!!
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    Update: I read that whole website, or at least went down as many rabbit holes as I could l stand! HAHAHA. Okay, for a site that says here's a simple explanation.... yowza. Here are six links to pages with six more links for six more pages with ... you get the idea. My head is spinning. Leez, you summarized it fine. I got a lot out of you and a lot out of that website...but I'm not ready to make this into a full time job! I will start slow and a little at a time and keep researching. No quick fix, I guess.

    UPDATE #2: I went through my vitamins and turns out I have everything except Selenium and I had points to cover that on Amazon. I even had the right kind of iodine tablet. I knew I took them before, but I did not take all of the accompanying nutrients. I am starting on the low end of all of the recommendations and will only start with a few things tomorrow and add in the rest one or two at a time. I'll see if there is any effect in a couple of weeks. I had no noticeable benefit from just taking the 12.5 lugols idodine before, but also did not experience any side effects. The only thing I had problems with were B3 Niacin (Hot flush) and a B complex that upset my empty stomach. I should be able to mediate both of those by eating first or taking at night. Hey, I spent two days reading stuff. Might as well try.

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    Yay, I know its hard to find this kind of info in a form that makes sense and doesn't send you down 57 bunny trails to figure out what they are talking about. There are some natural ways you can increase T3 without prescription meds. I'll look through my research library (translation: various notes that reside in non-intuitive places on my computer) and see if I can find some things helpful to you.


    I want to confirm that this new posting:

    June Round

    Is the real grammy1952 of moderator fame. She's back for some support on an upcoming round, and what perfect timing for you, Pearlie to pick her brains on thyroid stuffs. She knows way more about it than me.
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    Did I run everyone off with my complaining? So sorry. I'll ty to keep it down.

    I'm officially over my window by .2 with another unexplained over a pound gain overnight. All I can do is all I can do. I don't do well on correction days. Ill just try to do closer to P2 foods and see if I can at least hold the line while I figure out how to live on half a dose of thyroid meds. I'm on day two of the Iodine protocol but at a low level, so that will take some time to ramp up.

    Back to tilapia and spinach.

    On...never mind.
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    I'm a little confused at what you are trying to convey...is it a depression/mental battle you are fighting? If so....

    Try just taking it one day at a time, and try not to look ahead farther then that. If you can get through one day, then tomorrow you can decide whether you can get through another one or not. Sometimes looking too far ahead can be discouraging.
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    You could try doing just two dose times and see.

    What if you shifted all your doses a couple hours earlier. Do you think that might help? Moving them all would keep the overnight break from getting too long.

    Hormone fluctuations can definitely get you down. Hang in there, you've already gotten a significant loss.
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    Slimshady, I hope you start feeling better. If you do another round, I suggest trying a version of hcg that doesn't go through your digestive system. I use inhaled homeopathic hcg from InsideOutWellness.org and there's also injections that others can help you find. I have also used tablets 1x per day which I took about 9 pm.

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