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    Question Fat/Protein ratio: Are we supposed to be THIS full??

    Hey guys -

    So, I started the full on Leptin RX yesterday; since it was my first day off of hcg, I managed to eat the BAB (a little over 50g of protein) in 30 minutes, but I wasn't really hungry until dinner (I was hungry enough around 2:00 to eat a small lunch: 1 stick of nitrate-free, grass-fed beef from wellness farms, .5 tbsp macadamia nut oil, 1 tbsp coconut manna, and 125g of asparagus) and finished the day at just under 900 calories. This morning, though, I woke up to a 2 lb loss! I figured I'm supposed to be stabilizing and not losing weight, so this morning I ate 55g of protein, again, but ate about 35g of fat. I am honestly so full I feel like I'm gonna throw up and now I have a giant headache. I had to force the extra fat down (.5 tbsp coconut manna, .5 tbsp coconut oil).

    Is this right? Are we supposed to eat until we're THIS full? Also, yesterday I wasn't truly hungry until dinner, anyway - so I'm assuming since I ate so much fat this morning, more than yesterday, the same thing will happen again today only I might not even be able to eat lunch. I never in my life thought I would have this problem - but I don't know how I'm going to eat the 1600-1800 calories I'll need to stabilize.

    What do you guys do? Do you eat in the morning until you're sick?? What ratio of fats to proteins do you typically eat in a day??

    Thanks for your help!
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    P1
    Day 1 (load day): 152.8
    Day 2 (load day): 154.4 (+1.6)
    Total gain: +5 to 157.8
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    P2
    Week 1: -2.6 lbs (from starting weight)
    Week 2: -5.4 lbs
    Week 3: -4.6 lbs
    Week 4: -2.2 lbs
    Week 5: -1.2 lbs
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    LDW: 139.4 on Day 35
    Lost: 13.4 lbs (18.4 from load)
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    On the leptin reset since 2/24

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    Posted this on another thread as well, just not sure which one people look at as much....

    I am on P2/R4/D12, currently 130lbs and looking ahead to P3 which I've always had problems with. I feel like no matter what I do I end up devolving into a cyle of a correction day 1-2 times a week and it's pretty miserable. Eventually I break gain 8-10lbs back and do another P2 just to get back to wear I ended the previous time. It seems like people are having success with LR, but I'm not sure if I can do it with my life/schedule. Hoping you guys can help with a few questions:

    My schedule would be up at 8 am (start B-fast within 30min), then to work from 10-7 (would prob eat lunch around 1) and then I get to my 2nd job at 7:30, get home around 11 and try to get to bed by 12-1 (though that doesn't always happen). Since I go to bed so much later than everyone else I've seen on here, I wondered what you guys thought of me dinner before 8 instead of 7? It would fit my schedule much better, still be 3-4 hours before bed and 11-12 hours before breakfast. Thoughts?

    Also, I am a Diet Coke addict. It is the one thing that I have never been able to give up. I know I should, but literally if I try than I start missing EVERYTHING. Would it be considered a snack? If so, do you think it would be okay if I just drank it with my meals?

    So, no s/f gum, huh? Is tea okay?

    So, if I do this for my P3/P4 for 8 weeks, I guess I am confused about what my eating habits should be like after that? What/if anything can I add back in? When do I get to add some fruit back in? Those apples are pretty much what makes P2 even remotely survivable for me....

    Sorry if these are all answered on other posts, but I've been reading for 2 hours and haven't seen them ) Thanks so much for any help!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by emdarke View Post

    Also, I am a Diet Coke addict. It is the one thing that I have never been able to give up. I know I should, but literally if I try than I start missing EVERYTHING. Would it be considered a snack? If so, do you think it would be okay if I just drank it with my meals?

    So, no s/f gum, huh? Is tea okay?

    So, if I do this for my P3/P4 for 8 weeks, I guess I am confused about what my eating habits should be like after that? What/if anything can I add back in? When do I get to add some fruit back in? Those apples are pretty much what makes P2 even remotely survivable for me....

    Sorry if these are all answered on other posts, but I've been reading for 2 hours and haven't seen them ) Thanks so much for any help!!!

    The aspartame in diet coke really messes with the brain chemistry. If you can work on removing this from your diet, you will feel better and maybe even keep the weight off. Contrary to what is said, those diet product make us crave foods, and make us fat. Not to mention that they cause lesions in the brain.
    http://aspartame.mercola.com/

    I haven't drank pop in years but I do enjoy sparkling mineral water. And now I have discovered Stevia which is all natural and comes in flavors. Maybe that may help you with the craving for diet coke. It even comes in cola flavor: http://www.naturesflavors.com/index....uten-free.html

    I am not affiliated with any of these sites, just did a quick Google search.

    I don't know enough about the leptin to be able to help you but hopefully someone else will soon!

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    I responded to you on the other thread.
    Just read Weight Loss Apocalypse which gave me new resolve.
    Currently getting back to the ticker weight.

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    Hello everyone!

    I'm new to the Leptin Reset and am hoping to maintain a 18 lb loss, reduce sugar/carb binge cravings, and achieve better sleep with Kruse's guidelines

    Today was p3 day 1 LR style.. Is my BAB ok? I posted this in another thread but would the more feedback the merrier!!

    I'd really appreciate anyone's advice~~

    I'm wondering if my BAB was okay? I was going to hold off on eggs for awhile but was craving them so bad!

    I'm not sure if I have to adjust if I have a smaller frame now (5'3; 110 lbs but still have lots of belly fat).


    2 eggs fried in 1 TB Coconut oil.
    4.5 oz of tenderloin steak fried in 1 TB CO.
    1/2 cup of broccoli fried in 1 TB CO.
    1 serving cocoa crack (2 TB coconut oil + 2 TB cocoa + stevia)


    Fitday says my BAB is:

    1,251 calories
    114.7 g fat
    7.4 g carbs
    48.3 g protein

    I didn't feel full right after the BAB and felt like I could eat more but 2 hours later I'm feeling full.


    I'm planning on having salmon sashimi for lunch/dinner when I get hungry.


    Oh and are burger patties okay to consume at restaurants during LR? I know that some recipes call for breadcrumbs so wasn't sure.... I'd love to eat a burger protein style wrapped in lettuce at this local burger place.. mmm

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    Hello, everybody. I am new here (I think! I am pretty sure I have never posted, lol).

    I completed my 4th round of hHCG...hmm, on the 10th of February, at 142.2.
    For the first time in P3 (this time, not my very first time), I did not mess up, either by accident or design. I was totally compliant, and have been, and did not add in anything too much or too quickly. As a matter of fact I have been NO carb lots of days, not just low-carb.
    And I have gained incrementally since then. It's barely 5 weeks later and this morning I was at 152.4.

    I am deflated and heartbroken and dejected, and just about at my wit's end. My high weight ever was around 203, I stabilized (not on any diet or protocol) at around 184 for years, and then in September of '10 I tried hHCG. I had much successes, but kept regaining-- the first time or two I knew it was cause I went totally off, eating all my mom's Christmas chocolate and goodies and what-not.

    I googled "not stabilizing on P3" and came up with this site, and others, about Leptin. I am fully on board as a fan of Taubes and Atkins and other low-carb people. I am not sure about this Leptin thing. But it's all I have left to try. I have to do something, or I will be back up to 185 in short order-- before midsummer, likely!

    What do I do? I need HELP. Lots of it. And fast. I read some on these boards about the Leptin reset, and I'm really nervous because I read about people gaining on THAT, too. I can not freaking gain that weight back again. I can't. I thought I was fine at that weight and I didn't realize just how unfine I was, till I lost it.

    I am also afraid to do any more P2 rounds. I have had no bad consequences about it, but I have this instinct that I may suffer hair loss next time, and other things....I think this protocol takes a lot out of a person. Me, anyway. I'm way vain about my hair. That can't happen. Plus it can't be healthy to lose hair. If it even happens to me.

    The point is, apparently it works for tons of people and I am really beyond despairing that I am not one of them. I can lose fine, but not stabilize.

    I am 5'1", barely, and 152.4 (today, anyway). I am short enough to be fine under 125 but honestly I am 52 and I would be over the moon if I can get to 125. So I am doing one more P2 round-- I was hoping to stabilize at 140-something and not do any more rounds till summer, but I am going back into P2 next week or so, so I don't end up having to do two more rounds at some point. I plan to read a lot about Leptin in my P2, then combine P3 and Leptin when I go into P3. I am thinking about having labs drawn but am unclear on that-- what to get, how to interpret, what it all means and what to do with the results.

    I would like some help and advice and maybe someone to hold my hand (lol) during this process.

    Especially dairy advice...I do fine with half and half on P2, but I think in P3 I have a heavy cream addiction *hides face*...Coffee with cream is my one treat and I am pretty well unwilling to give it up, but we'll see.



    Anyway. Help. Please.

    Thanks

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    There are several possible reasons for your instability. One, maybe the hhcg you used didn't have any hcg in it or maybe it simply didn't work for you. It happens. You also might have a food sensitivity. Heavy cream is actually better for you than half and half by the way. Just not in P2. LOL And if you used cream in P2 that is likely one of the problems. Any fat while on P2 can derail the hormone's pathway to the hypothalamus, preventing its resting. The 3rd issue might be hormonal. Your thyroid might be off or other hormones.

    You have a couple of possible things to try. 1. Do another round of hcg only with RX hcg. Do it perfectly, no half and half. I understand your coffee issue. That's the hardest thing for me to give up but I kept telling myself that nothing tastes as good as skinny feels, not even coffee. LOL 2. do the leptin reset but I'm a little leery of that for you because of what I'm reading. Too many gain weight at first on the leptin reset. If you do decide to try it, do it without eggs or cheese. You can have your heavy cream but no other dairy. But as I said, I'm a little leery of it for you right now.

    What you could try for now is to do a steak day. Have all the coffee with cream you want throughout the day and then the biggest steak you can eat for dinner along with an apple or a tomato. Then eat nothing but meat and veggies for the next week. you can have your cream with coffee still but no other dairy except pure butter. Watch your weight. If it stays stable, then you have a food sensitivity. If it climbs, then I'm guessing it's hormonal and you need to get some blood work done.

    Amended to say that if it were ME, I would get my hormones tested and begin to fix them and as soon as the blood work was run, I would do a round with good hcg. But that's me.

    Good luck!
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    mlee, I would eat 3 or 4 eggs with that meat. You weren't quite to 50 grams. And most hamburger is okay. I wouldn't eat taco meat at Taco Bell but most other places have pure hamburger. Ask though.
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    I guess you are replying to me? There wasn't a quote so wasn't sure. Lemme see if I can respond point-by-point but not sure if I can figure out this layout for forums! Bear with me!

    Quote Originally Posted by grammy1952 View Post
    There are several possible reasons for your instability. One, maybe the hhcg you used didn't have any hcg in it or maybe it simply didn't work for you. It happens. You also might have a food sensitivity. Heavy cream is actually better for you than half and half by the way. Just not in P2. LOL And if you used cream in P2 that is likely one of the problems. Any fat while on P2 can derail the hormone's pathway to the hypothalamus, preventing its resting. The 3rd issue might be hormonal. Your thyroid might be off or other hormones.

    I didn't use cream in P2, just in P3. I didn't have any coffee in my first P2 but in subsequent rounds I decided to experiment and I am able to have one cup of coffee a day with half and half. Only in P2. The reason I am thinking about going back to half and half in P3-- I wasn't clear-- is I use WAY too much of cream, I think. If I use half and half, it's more of a condiment. If I use cream, I find every excuse in the world to eat/drink/use it all day long, and I end up using like a pint a day! Whereas half and half, even though it's "carbier", I only might use 1/4c at most in a day. I don't eat any fat in P2. Just in P3.
    I lose fine, in P2. I lose LOTS, and consistently. I just don't seem to stabilize in P3. Steak days have had no effect. If I lose from them, I regain it the day after. Then that is my "new" setpoint weight until I gain more


    You have a couple of possible things to try. 1. Do another round of hcg only with RX hcg. Do it perfectly, no half and half. I understand your coffee issue. That's the hardest thing for me to give up but I kept telling myself that nothing tastes as good as skinny feels, not even coffee. LOL 2. do the leptin reset but I'm a little leery of that for you because of what I'm reading. Too many gain weight at first on the leptin reset. If you do decide to try it, do it without eggs or cheese. You can have your heavy cream but no other dairy. But as I said, I'm a little leery of it for you right now.

    I don't have the money for Rx HCG I don't have medical insurance and I'm to the wire with budget as it is I am willing to try the Leptin Reset but not yet. I've already gained too much back from this last Round. I want to do another Round and get low enough to have wiggle room for weight gain, if that happens. I don't normally eat much cheese, but yes I do eat eggs, every day pretty much. I don't do a whole lot of dairy-- I didn't this time, at any rate.

    What you could try for now is to do a steak day. Have all the coffee with cream you want throughout the day and then the biggest steak you can eat for dinner along with an apple or a tomato. Then eat nothing but meat and veggies for the next week. you can have your cream with coffee still but no other dairy except pure butter. Watch your weight. If it stays stable, then you have a food sensitivity. If it climbs, then I'm guessing it's hormonal and you need to get some blood work done.

    But...but...but...I'm honestly not trying to shoot down everything, but I have tried these things! To no avail. I haven't had apples or tomatoes in many weeks. Not in this P3. Not since before Feb10. I haven't had fruit at all. And very little veggies, except the occasional salad greens or cooked greens. Butter and cream, up till the last couple days, have been the only dairy. What blood work would you recommend? Because that's why I came here...I am pretty sure I have exhausted every other avenue.

    Amended to say that if it were ME, I would get my hormones tested and begin to fix them and as soon as the blood work was run, I would do a round with good hcg. But that's me.

    OK, hormones...now? Or in the next P2? What do I need to do, get, etc?
    Good luck!
    Thank you so much for responding so quickly. I am trying to slog my way through Kruse's website right now. What a lot of info! My brain hurts!

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    You've tried eating only meat and veggies after a steak day for a week? You've eaten no eggs? If that's the case then it's either hormones or I'm sorry to say that it might be the cream. Normally you can have a pint a day if you want. LOL I do. But if you have a food sensitivity then it will cause that creep. You could try a steak day with no cream and no eggs then no cream, eggs, or any other dairy for a few days and see if the weight stays gone. If it doesn't, then it's definitely hormones.

    I would get a thyroid panel with free T3, free T4. Also female hormones like progesterone, estrogen and testosterone. but they will not be cheap either. And if you need the hormones, you'll need to purchase those. They will be way more expensive than the $75 for a round of hcg. So just be prepared for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grammy1952 View Post
    You've tried eating only meat and veggies after a steak day for a week? You've eaten no eggs? If that's the case then it's either hormones or I'm sorry to say that it might be the cream. Normally you can have a pint a day if you want. LOL I do. But if you have a food sensitivity then it will cause that creep. You could try a steak day with no cream and no eggs then no cream, eggs, or any other dairy for a few days and see if the weight stays gone. If it doesn't, then it's definitely hormones.
    I would get a thyroid panel with free T3, free T4. Also female hormones like progesterone, estrogen and testosterone. but they will not be cheap either. And if you need the hormones, you'll need to purchase those. They will be way more expensive than the $75 for a round of hcg. So just be prepared for that.
    I have had steak days with no fruit or veggie, but cream and butter. I've just in the last week tried some cheese and what-not, because I'm at a place where I'm going *eff it*-- I'm gaining no matter what. Might as well. But I haven't gotten to that place about carbs yet, thank goodness. But yeah, basically I have eaten, since February 10th, meat of all kinds, eggs, chicken, fish, shrimp, butter, coconut oil, bacon grease, veg and olive oils (not much, just on the two salads I had), LOTS of cream, and very little veggies (spinach, broccoli, salad vegs, a bit of cabbage, turnip greens). I have eaten eggs, yeah, lots and lots of eggs.

    Oh ugh, no cream for a couple days? Oh....groan...oh-kay, I will try *she said, grudgingly*

    Wait, you mean if I have to take hormone supplements? *scratches head* what for?
    They have this lab place here that does cheap labs for anybody, and you can choose to have your doctor interpret them or not. It's called AnyLabTest, I think. I've had them done there before. It's pretty cool.

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    That's what I'm saying. Do a steak day then for a week nothing but meat and veggies. And fats. NO EGGS. You don't even have to give up the cream yet because it may just be the eggs.
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