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    Ok, maybe I' m missing something, but i have been following this conversation--are you all saying we are to count fat grams on p3? Like the mayo we put in tuna, the sausage patties for breakfast,all that is supposed to be counted? I;ve not done any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbles View Post
    Ok, maybe I' m missing something, but i have been following this conversation--are you all saying we are to count fat grams on p3? Like the mayo we put in tuna, the sausage patties for breakfast,all that is supposed to be counted? I;ve not done any of that.
    No, the question was not related to P3---it was about a plan for maintenance eating, and the guidelines for THM (Trim Healthy Mama plan). And even then, its really not about counting. The gram limits are just given as a loose guideline.

    You don't need to be counting anything in P3. Just make sure you are avoiding starch and sugar, eating good fats and keeping your calories up.
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    That's extra fat. You don't count the fat in your lean protein.

    5 grams is about a tsp of butter, nutbutter or oil. its actually enough to lightly butter two pieces of toast, so that works for me.

    Its a mindset change, to be sure. But there are ways to work around it. Like using the Light Laughing Cow cheese wedges or all-fruit jam as a spread where you would normally use butter or mayo, or you can do mustard or a low-fat hummus.

    And, for me, I found I don't need to be quite that rigid on the 5 grams. I usually keep it to about a T instead of tsp with starch meals and find that works quite well for me.
    Wait, toast is not a vehicle for butter? Oh man, a tsp? I seriously prefer fat over toast! I will experiment with a T. That is 3 tsp. There is nothing quite like toast and butter!
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    I seriously prefer fat over toast!
    You can choose fat meals without starch and have all the fat you want.

    Really, you just have to find what works best for you. Others that follow THM might not be able to get away with increasing fat a little in the starch meals without noticing a gain, but for some reason I can.

    For me, I do not feel well on a low carb regimen. So I find that I feel best if 2 out of 3 meals are starch based and low fat. (I always make sure to have some protein with it--important to help blunt blood sugar spikes.) Others may feel or maintain better with fewer starch meals. It really is an individual journey of discovering your particular keys.
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    I really love fats in my diet, they seem to help with satisfaction. Once you get away from sugars, it isn't too bad. Glad to know you weren't referring to P3. Basically, if you have starches, try for maybe fish or chicken (not much fat), or a veggie meal, and if you have fatty proteins, they do your carbs on much lower end. Wonder if you are having sugary food, if better to eat along, no proteins? For example, you are dying for an ice cream, then don't have with dessert, just have alone?

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    Ice cream is already sugar/fat together in the "dangerous" combo (unless you choose a keto variety), but it has some protein, so its got you covered. Probably best to eat icecream as a meal instead of with one, just from an abuse of calories standpoint.
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    Hi Leez,

    I hope you are doing great. I have a few questions. I am nearing the end of my round and I thought this time I would go 2 pounds under my goal. The reason is I have sometimes gone up and then done too many steak days in an attempt to get down. Also, The weight just seems to be falling off easily. I am .8 pounds away from my 2 pound under goal. I thought this would give me a cushion. I have adjusted my goal on my ticker. What are your thoughts?

    Also, this is an odd one but how do you know your weight loss is real? I never had it happen we’re all go down .8 pounds, continue to stay POP and the next day pop back up. Does this happen to others and is there any reason you know of?

    Thank you as always for your assistance.

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    Goal numbers are in the end, arbitrary. You are going to lose what HCG lets you lose. Not more, not less (unless you bung it up somehow ^_^). So there is no real answer to your question.

    I suppose you can set your LIW at your initial goal weight and give yourself that extra cushion and see what happens. In that case, there is no need to worry about correcting if you are lower than the 2 pounds from LIW allowed in P3. (Although nearly no one corrects when that happens anyway.) I've had very big cushions disappear quickly in some rounds, and been OK in other rounds where I had little to no cushion going into P3.

    You know the weight loss is real when you have a track record of it staying off. Day to day fluctuations are not provable.

    Its not that unusual to have a gain in P2. Its just water fluctuation. Conversely, some of the loss that shows on the scale is water fluctuation too. Those swings happen to women more than men, because we are hormonally more complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Ice cream is already sugar/fat together in the "dangerous" combo (unless you choose a keto variety), but it has some protein, so its got you covered. Probably best to eat icecream as a meal instead of with one, just from an abuse of calories standpoint.
    Thanks Leez, I looked at my posting, question and it made no sense at all. Guess I was in a hurry. But you answered me. I'm not craving ice cream, but was asking if you really wanted if it would be better to have alone, without a meal,or without it being a dessert after a meal. And I got the answer I was asking. Curious, you seem to be so diligent, do you ever eat a dessert or something you shouldn'g

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    Thanks for your replies Leez. A Tablespoon of fat sounds much better (if you can get away with it). I feel much better eating a few more carbs as well...sleep better too. What are your favorite high carb/low fat meals? I find those typically take a lot more planning unless I do something like Oatmeal for breakfast, which I really enjoy from time to time.

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    do you ever eat a dessert or something you shouldn't
    Maybe a bite or two if it is something I really want. If I'm really wanting more of that taste, I'll go home and make a version that is sugar-free and with better ingredients. I generally end up enjoying my version more. Most sugary desserts are way to sweet for me now.

    What are your favorite high carb/low fat meals?
    I like to do lean proteins in the air fryer coated with a smidge of oil and dusted with a nutritional yeast, parmesan + Italianish seasoning spice mix. As starchy sides, I like seasoned beans, quinoa cooked with pineapple, or sweet potatoes topped with all-fruit apricot jam. Sometimes I'll have fruit as dessert with that. If adding fruit, I adjust the starch portion size down a bit.

    Pizza: I make a sprouted spelt yeast crust and top with water or broth sauteed peppers, sweet onion and mushrooms, with a fat-free marinara and about an ounce of shredded part-skim mozzarella.

    Ezekiel cinnamon raisin toast with ricotta cheese and sprinkled with Vietnamese cinnamon. A quarter cup of ricotta is about 6 grams fat and is plenty to top 2 pieces of toast.

    I like to make a batch of soured grains and then rewarm as breakfast cereal. You can put any whole grains and beans into the mix you like. I generally combine brown rice, barley, wild rice, a few mung beans as my base mix, and will throw in other grains occasionally to mix it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Maybe a bite or two if it is something I really want. If I'm really wanting more of that taste, I'll go home and make a version that is sugar-free and with better ingredients. I generally end up enjoying my version more. Most sugary desserts are way to sweet for me now.


    I like to do lean proteins in the air fryer coated with a smidge of oil and dusted with a nutritional yeast, parmesan + Italianish seasoning spice mix. As starchy sides, I like seasoned beans, quinoa cooked with pineapple, or sweet potatoes topped with all-fruit apricot jam. Sometimes I'll have fruit as dessert with that. If adding fruit, I adjust the starch portion size down a bit.

    Pizza: I make a sprouted spelt yeast crust and top with water or broth sauteed peppers, sweet onion and mushrooms, with a fat-free marinara and about an ounce of shredded part-skim mozzarella.

    Ezekiel cinnamon raisin toast with ricotta cheese and sprinkled with Vietnamese cinnamon. A quarter cup of ricotta is about 6 grams fat and is plenty to top 2 pieces of toast.

    I like to make a batch of soured grains and then rewarm as breakfast cereal. You can put any whole grains and beans into the mix you like. I generally combine brown rice, barley, wild rice, a few mung beans as my base mix, and will throw in other grains occasionally to mix it up.

    Sounds like you should make a cookbook, and SELL it. All sounds interesting! Can you purchase Ezekiel cinnamon raisin toast--or do you make? I like Ezekiel bread.

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