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    I think you misunderstood my post or more likely, I didn’t explain it well . I didn’t have a drop after eating the rice last Saturday, actually, I had a small gain the next day. I also had a gain as well after eating the sprouted grain toast on day 1 of P4 but I ate it yesterday and had a loss this morning. I haven’t eaten 2 starchy carbs in the same day yet, so I didn’t eat toast and rice on same day.

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    Yes, I did misunderstand.

    So here's what I get from your response:

    You had a gain after the toast on the first day, but when you tried the toast again a week later, you had a drop. That could mean that your body is settling into P4. The next thing you might want to test is whether you could eat a serving size of 2 pieces, which would be considered a normal serving. I always do that test, because I want to be able to have a real sandwich like a normal person. ^_^

    In the first week of P4, there is the possibility that you get a little volatility just because starches require more water to process than non-starchies. So you can get a rise on the scale unrelated to inflammation from sensitivity.
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    Wow Leez, 2 pieces of toast?! That would really be living on the wild side for me! Lol!!! I did end up weighing this morning and I’m still at a good weight. I’m going to have a little rice again tonight for dinner so will see what happens

    Thank you for all your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justgitterdone View Post
    Wow Leez, 2 pieces of toast?! That would really be living on the wild side for me! Lol!!! I did end up weighing this morning and I’m still at a good weight. I’m going to have a little rice again tonight for dinner so will see what happens

    Thank you for all your help.

    Ya know, Leez is our true blue mentor, what she says I pretty much take as gospel truth, at least I know she is trying to steer us in right direction. That being said, 2 pieces of toast, I think I dare, no I double dare you to do that someday! (Remember saying I double dare you as kids?) When you think logically about these fluctations, a piece of toast has 100 cal? If someone jumps up in weight 1/2 lbs, it cannot possibly be real fat gain. Just sayin.

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    So here is my thought:

    Isn't the whole point of HCG to come to a hormone balance that allows us to stay a normal weight and be able to eat enough to be satisfied?

    It isn't normal to severely restrict a whole food group. It seems to me that even settling for a one piece toast limit is still reflecting a dieting mindset, and that's one of the things I have always hoped to escape. Its hard though...those "eat less/exercise more--starches are bad" voices are always there pulling you back into the bondage.

    The challenge is that we have to find new ways to be "normal" since our old normal is what got us into the position that we needed HCG. Part of that is concentrating more on whole foods, less prepared and chemically enhanced foods, and being mindful of the fat/starch combination that Dr. Simeones warned us about.

    I've learned that I don't have to completely separate fats and starch, but I keep fats low when having starches, and starches low when having fats. I very seldom have a full out fat/starch combo (like sour cream and cheese on a baked potato, or a regular apple pie). That has been working for me. I eat very differently now than before I started the HCG journey.

    I've learned that certain starches are actually very friendly to my body....two of them are ezekiel sprouted bread and roasted plantain chips. I can lose a little the next day when eating them in normal portions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    So here is my thought:

    Isn't the whole point of HCG to come to a hormone balance that allows us to stay a normal weight and be able to eat enough to be satisfied?

    It isn't normal to severely restrict a whole food group. It seems to me that even settling for a one piece toast limit is still reflecting a dieting mindset, and that's one of the things I have always hoped to escape. Its hard though...those "eat less/exercise more--starches are bad" voices are always there pulling you back into the bondage.

    The challenge is that we have to find new ways to be "normal" since our old normal is what got us into the position that we needed HCG. Part of that is concentrating more on whole foods, less prepared and chemically enhanced foods, and being mindful of the fat/starch combination that Dr. Simeones warned us about.

    I've learned that I don't have to completely separate fats and starch, but I keep fats low when having starches, and starches low when having fats. I very seldom have a full out fat/starch combo (like sour cream and cheese on a baked potato, or a regular apple pie). That has been working for me. I eat very differently now than before I started the HCG journey.

    I've learned that certain starches are actually very friendly to my body....two of them are ezekiel sprouted bread and roasted plantain chips. I can lose a little the next day when eating them in normal portions.

    Thanks for your insight Leez. I try to remember and learn from your vast knowledge and from your experience. Will say the plantain chips are a real game changer to me. So tasty and not bad for you. At least they seem to agree with me. I do love bread, and learning at some point to eat in moderation will be a real learning challenge for me. Thanks for all your feedback.

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    Roasted plantain chips have been a game changer for sure here too. Since I don't can't have corn at all and avoid refined flours, they are my all-purpose replacement for chips, crackers, croutons, dippers, tortillas or just plain salty/crunchy snack.

    I feel so lucky they are also a friendly food for me. What a nice bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    So here is my thought:

    Isn't the whole point of HCG to come to a hormone balance that allows us to stay a normal weight and be able to eat enough to be satisfied?

    It isn't normal to severely restrict a whole food group. It seems to me that even settling for a one piece toast limit is still reflecting a dieting mindset, and that's one of the things I have always hoped to escape. Its hard though...those "eat less/exercise more--starches are bad" voices are always there pulling you back into the bondage.

    The challenge is that we have to find new ways to be "normal" since our old normal is what got us into the position that we needed HCG. Part of that is concentrating more on whole foods, less prepared and chemically enhanced foods, and being mindful of the fat/starch combination that Dr. Simeones warned us about.

    I've learned that I don't have to completely separate fats and starch, but I keep fats low when having starches, and starches low when having fats. I very seldom have a full out fat/starch combo (like sour cream and cheese on a baked potato, or a regular apple pie). That has been working for me. I eat very differently now than before I started the HCG journey.

    I've learned that certain starches are actually very friendly to my body....two of them are ezekiel sprouted bread and roasted plantain chips. I can lose a little the next day when eating them in normal portions.
    YES! I agree with everything you said. I was kidding about the 2 pieces of toast...not really though, lol! Just curious, how low do you keep fats when eating carbs? And how low do you keep carbs when you eat fats?

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    I get the kidding/not kidding. ^_^

    Well, I kind of go by the THM guidelines: maximum 5 grams of fat for a starch meal, maximum 10 net carbs for a fat meal. But I've found I can go over those somewhat in both cases without any scale problem.

    I also suss out the starches and try to stay under 45 grams for a starch meal. That allows good sized but not ginormous portions. It sounds a bit complicated, but you get an understanding of appropriate portion sizes pretty quickly, so its not like you are always measuring. Its just a guideline.

    With fat meals, I don't really figure anything....I just have non-starchy things with my protein and keep the fat level to something sane.
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    Ugh...5 grams of fat is hardly anything...isnít there some rule that you donít count the fat in the protein? I read THM a long time ago...I like to put a big gob of cashew butter on my piece of Ezekiel toast, so that pretty much throws all the ratios out the window!

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    Ugh...5 grams of fat is hardly anything...isn’t there some rule that you don’t count the fat in the protein? I read THM a long time ago...I like to put a big gob of cashew butter on my piece of Ezekiel toast, so that pretty much throws all the ratios out the window!
    There is no point in liv... having carbs if I can only have 5g of fat in my world LOL
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    That's extra fat. You don't count the fat in your lean protein.

    5 grams is about a tsp of butter, nutbutter or oil. its actually enough to lightly butter two pieces of toast, so that works for me.

    Its a mindset change, to be sure. But there are ways to work around it. Like using the Light Laughing Cow cheese wedges or all-fruit jam as a spread where you would normally use butter or mayo, or you can do mustard or a low-fat hummus.

    And, for me, I found I don't need to be quite that rigid on the 5 grams. I usually keep it to about a T instead of tsp with starch meals and find that works quite well for me.
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