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    Good Morning!

    LinderLou, Great job on the deviled eggs. I am glad the scale is moving in the positive direction.

    Leez, I have a question about the weakness I feel. Do you think it is diet related? At first I thought it was realted to the sick people in the house, but even after resting a lot yesterday I feel exactly the same weakness. My losses have been stellar--I usually average .4 and I have been averaging .8 per day. I have been splitting up my food to try to combat it, having multiVitamin pills, B complex, Vitamin D. Also making sure not too much water/herbal tea. I think I may have had a few days where I found a new herbal tea and had too much liquid.... I had this once in the past, and put 1 tsp of sea salt in water, but I have not done that as it makes me retain water. What are your thoughts and what do you think I should do?

    AFM: down another .7 this morning. I have begun splitting up my food, I had some Arugala cooked in water with some of today's chicken for breakfast and a cup on chicken stock. I feel really weak still, but am pushing through my normal work load.

    Have a great day!

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    LinderLou,

    Maybe think about posting what you are eating here so Leez can see it? This way maybe we can brainstorm to get you better results?
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    Splitting your food into 4 smaller meals always helped me stay on an even keel in P2. I think that is a good decision.

    Try some potassium for the weakness. (if you don't have the supplement, you can use 1/4 tsp cream of tartar a couple times during the day) The potassium alone might be enough to combat the weakness. (also if you aren't supplementing magnesium, that is important too)

    When my potassium is low in P2, it feels like that heavy muscle sensation you get when running and you get that lactic acid build up that makes it hard to keep going. Is that how you would describe your weakness? Just hard to push through and keep moving?

    Maybe you aren't getting enough minerals (electrolyte issue). Try adding some sea salt or pink salt in your water or broth. Generally, mineral salt does not cause water retention. Table salt is usually to blame for that, and actually might be what is in your store bought broth, although some brands do use sea salt. And even if you lose slower, its still all about water stores, not actual fat, so don't be afraid of that. If water stores do not regulate in P2, it will happen in P3. So by avoiding salt now, you are just delaying that process, and if it happens in P3, that makes scale swings more likely. Which is problematic when you are trying to stabilize.
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    Thanks Leez,

    Yes it feels like you describe plus I just want to sit down and do nothing. I will take some potassium. I take a GNC multivitamin that has magnesium...DO you think I should also use some Calm in the evening to supplement Magnesium? Also, Is one 99 mg potassium enough in general? Please let me know your thoughts. I will also use some pink salt or sea salt. Are you thinking 1 tsp? please let me know when you can, and thank you again.
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    RK - sorry you're still feeling weak. Leez has some good suggestions.

    OK, I'll post what I'm eating on a typical day. I work from home, so usually just snack during the day instead of having an official lunch.
    1 large cup of coffee in the morning with 1T milk - I REALLY miss my HWC!
    3.5oz chicken breast sautéed in chicken broth with garlic powder. (I usually make enough for a week at a time.) OR 3.5oz boiled shrimp
    3-4 stalks of celery with pink salt
    6-7 strawberries OR 1 apple
    Dinner:
    3.5oz chicken OR 3.5oz lean filet mignon OR 3.5oz boiled shrimp with zero calorie cocktail sauce OR 3.5oz 97% lean ground beef with a little taco seasoning
    lettuce with a bit of Walden Farms dressing OR asparagus
    usually no fruit with dinner as the other stuff generally fills me up
    When I remember, I take a Calcium/Magnesium/Zinc with Vitamin D supplement.
    I drink about 4 bottles of water a day, so about 65oz. I add pink salt to meat, celery and apples (I know, weird)

    I cannot eat any acidic food as it causes canker sores in my mouth, which are extremely painful and take days to heal. So none of these foods: oranges, grapefruit, lemon, lime, tomatoes, pineapple, vinegar - basically, anything with a "zing" to it.

    I am also pretty picky about certain flavors and cannot stand the taste or smell of cucumber, dill or coconut. Shrug - not sure why, but with all of that, it certainly limits my menus.

    I plug everything into FitDay and generally end up between 400-450 calories.

    Things are moving in the TMI department. Usually every 2 or 3 days. I don't feel backed up or bloated.

    All of that said, I'm eating exactly the same as I did the first 14 days of this round, with very different results. During those first 14 days, I lost 7.9 lbs, and was so hoping to see that trend continue. I think the botched PI (done too early) is having some residual effects that I'm just going to have to power through.

    Thanks for making me write that all out. I'm glad I planned a 40 day round so that I still have time left for things to turn around.

    Congrats on dropping another 0.7! Have a wonderful rest of your day!

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    R4 SW: 137.0 LDW: 132.0 March 2018
    R5 SW: 142.6 LDW: 132.1 November 2018
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkthin View Post
    Thanks Leez,
    Yes it feels like you describe plus I just want to sit down and do nothing. I will take some potassium. I take a GNC multivitamin that has magnesium...DO you think I should also use some Calm in the evening to supplement Magnesium? Also, Is one 99 mg potassium enough in general? Please let me know your thoughts. I will also use some pink salt or sea salt. Are you thinking 1 tsp? please let me know when you can, and thank you again.
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    Yes, take the calm. You need extra magnesium during P2 anyway.

    One 99mg is enough if it works. If not try a second dose a little later in the day. (1/4 tsp cream of tartar is about 125mg)
    My bet is that this is your issue.

    A tsp pink salt for the day is about right. Use about a half tsp in a big glass of water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linderlou
    I think the botched PI (done too early) is having some residual effects that I'm just going to have to power through.

    That would be my guess too. It can take up to a week to get back on track after going off protocol, which is essentially what happened when you did the PI too early. The best thing is to soldier on, stay positive, and maybe even not weigh until next week sometime so the scale isn't stressing you out while your body gets things sorted again.

    Your menu looks fine except for the beef and the pepper based spices. However, if you were losing fine with them before, its probably not your issue.

    Some people can get away with those and others have stalling or gaining problems with them. I'm not normally sensitive to nightshades, but I always left the paprika and cayenne out of my cajun spice blend for P2 just to be safe. Since you do have a problem with tomatoes (a nightshade) it might be something to consider.

    How do you do with the rest of the nightshade list?
    peppers (Bell, Chili, Paprika, Cayenne, pimento)
    tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, goji berries, tobacco

    Alternatives to nightshade pepper based spices are ginger, mustard, horseradish, szechwan pepper and black pepper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    That would be my guess too. It can take up to a week to get back on track after going off protocol, which is essentially what happened when you did the PI too early. The best thing is to soldier on, stay positive, and maybe even not weigh until next week sometime so the scale isn't stressing you out while your body gets things sorted again.

    Your menu looks fine except for the beef and the pepper based spices. However, if you were losing fine with them before, its probably not your issue.

    Some people can get away with those and others have stalling or gaining problems with them. I'm not normally sensitive to nightshades, but I always left the paprika and cayenne out of my cajun spice blend for P2 just to be safe. Since you do have a problem with tomatoes (a nightshade) it might be something to consider.

    How do you do with the rest of the nightshade list?
    peppers (Bell, Chili, Paprika, Cayenne, pimento)
    tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, goji berries, tobacco

    Alternatives to nightshade pepper based spices are ginger, mustard, horseradish, szechwan pepper and black pepper.
    Thanks Leez. You're right. I should have just cheated that one meal by eating a little off protocol and just gone right back to hcg and P2 eating the next day instead of piddling around for 4 days. Tomorrow is one week from the re-start of P2, so I'm probably just being impatient.

    I have never had a problem with paprika. I really only use it in P3/P4 for deviled eggs. Cayenne, chili, black and Szechwan pepper, horseradish, Cajun spice are all too hot/spicy for me. I don't enjoy them at all and they can make my mouth sensitive. I don't ever eat pimento unless it is stuffed inside an olive ;-) Bell pepper - don't care for it, so avoid it, potatoes - haven't had any in two years other than an errant French fry here and there in P4. Eggplant - only eat it if someone else prepares it, so not very often. I don't know what goji berries are, so I'm pretty sure I don't eat them. Tobacco - no way! If you meant tabasco - no, too hot/spicy. Tomatoes are too acidic and not my friend.

    The only spice I use in P2 is garlic powder and salt. Even in P3/P4 the only spices I use are a little paprika, mustard and whatever is in Ranch dressing and mild Taco seasoning.

    Thanks for trying to troubleshoot me! The only thing I have had an issue with was peanut butter. Shot me up 2-3 lbs overnight! That's why I stick with the weighing every day routine. I would never have known otherwise.

    I'll just keep on keepin' on and see how things go in a couple of days. I've made a deal with myself to stick it out the full 40 days, even if I have to come on here and whine now and then. ;-)

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    R4 SW: 137.0 LDW: 132.0 March 2018
    R5 SW: 142.6 LDW: 132.1 November 2018
    R6 SW: 144.8 LDW: 136.1 December 2019
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    I'm sorry I didn't catch that you weren't far enough along in P2 when you asked about the length of the interruption. We could have saved you a few days of water treading.

    But we deal with what is, and hopefully, you will have recovered soon and be back on track with losing again.

    Yes, it was tobacco. But tabasco also has nightshade ingredients.

    Do you take vitaminC? Sometimes reactions to acids can mean you are low in vitamin C. If you can't tolerate the normal form (ascorbic acid), you can try sodium ascorbate. It is the non-acid form.

    Anecdotally, if I eat too many tomatoes, I get sores on my tongue from all the acid. Taking Vitamin C is what seems to heal them up quickly. Also, magnesium and vitamin C are must have supplements for me in P2 for elimination health.
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    Good Evening,

    Wow it has been a busy day here.

    Leez, good news!I did the salt and a GNC pill that has 250 mg Potassium and 250 mg Magnesium (in addition to my normal vitamins) and I feel so much better already. Tonight I will take the Calm. I am sure you are right and I was deficient in Magnesium. It's really astonishing how much better I feel. Thank you for your suggestions and for the specific amounts. That really helped especially about the sea salt amount. I think 1/2 tsp twice a day was better than the 1 tsp I was trying to get down.

    LinderLou, What is in the zero calorie cocktail sauce? Have you taken it before? it may be a problem. Also, What is in the Walden Farm Dressing? I ask because Walden Farm products and dressing has stalled my weight loss....

    LinderLou I am so sorry to read about your dietary struggles! One of my kids also had the canker sore issue with tomatoes and Oranges. I was nervous but a long course of the vitamin C first in the form of sodium ascorbate, then in the form of Ascorbic Acid cured the problem, and also cleared up some skin irritation issues. I was nervous trying it, but it really worked.

    I have had week long stalls and then began losing again. I am sure you will start losing well again soon. I will keep sending you all my good thoughts and prayers!

    Leez, thanks again for your advice. I have faced weakness in several rounds and now I suspect it was Magnesium, Potassium and lack of salt.

    Hope you have a great evening!
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    rkthin, so glad your are feeling better!

    Good thought about considering the Walden Farm stuff. They generally have a lot of chemicals, and use sucralose as a sweetener. Something about them does seem to cause stalls for some people. (A good reason to avoid sucralose is that it has been shown to disrupt the gut biome.) But again, if it is something that didn't stall you previously, I would not put a high probability that it is suddenly causing an issue.
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    GOOD Morning and Happy, happy Friday! Got my Whoosh this morning - DOWN 1.6!!!

    RK - so happy you are feeling better and seem to have gotten to the bottom of what was going to with you!

    Yes, I know the Walden Farms stuff is full of chemicals. My first couple of rounds I used the heck out of it, but now I barely use a drizzle and just to give a little flavor to stuff. The cocktail sauce is Walden Farms also, but for 10 medium size shrimp, I used about a teaspoon of sauce.

    Leez & RK - interesting about the vitamin C treatment. I remember trying a treatment of vitamin C years (maybe 40?) ago to try and cure the acid problem and it only made it worse. I believe is was in the form of ascorbic acid and it raised the acid level in my entire body, so I've pretty much avoided vitamin C since. I was diagnosed as having "geographic tongue" when I was a child by my pediatrician. It is a vivid memory because he made my mother cry. He told her "she probably doesn't like to eat tomatoes, oranges, pineapples, lemons and things like that because they hurt her tongue." She cried because my parents regularly argued with me about eating all of the food on my plate and the things I would leave on my plate would be just those items. I just told them I didn't "like" them. It never occurred to me to tell them that it made my mouth hurt. I was pretty young.

    RK - so sorry that one of your children had this condition as well, but very happy to hear that you were able to get them treated for it. Another thing that is very acidic is walnuts. Cooked, as in a cookie is not so bad, but raw - oooohhh, bad news. That one took years to figure out. Cooked tomatoes, as in pasta sauce are also not as bad as raw.

    Leez - I've had friends tell me that they get canker sores when they overdo the acidic foods. Interestingly, the only thing I have found that helps in that situation is to rinse your mouth with full strength Listerine for several minutes. It hurts like Heck and always makes me cry, but it helps the sores heal up in about a day vs. a week or so. That's why I try so hard to avoid foods that cause problems in the first place. I've only had to do this a couple of times in the past 5 years and generally after eating at a restaurant where I specifically ask for no tomatoes on a salad or sandwich and it comes with it anyway. Sometimes when you send it back, they just take the offending item off the food rather than make a new dish. Well, if they just take it off, the juice is still there! It affects me within hours... Bring on the Listerine.

    OK, enough whining for today. Celebrating my whoosh and happy news going into the weekend! I am 0.5 lbs from getting back on track with day 15. Just so happy to be moving downward again!

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    Pre-HCG SW: 175
    Fake drops round:158.7 February 2017
    R1 SW: 158.7 LDW: 152.5 March 2017
    R2 SW: 151.3 LDW: 144.0 May 2017
    R3 SW: 135.9 LDW: 130.9 October 2017
    R4 SW: 137.0 LDW: 132.0 March 2018
    R5 SW: 142.6 LDW: 132.1 November 2018
    R6 SW: 144.8 LDW: 136.1 December 2019
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