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    Good idea for the sticky. I'll work on one. It probably should include a couple of other common issues to P2 like dealing with constipation and headaches.

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    Common P2 Physical Issues
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    I brought a little bottle of pink Himalayan salt with me to work so I'm sure to sprinkle it on my food. I think this will help balance everything out. With VLCD4 and doing the 2.0 this time, I'm feeling much better than the first two days, thank goodness. Down 5.8 lbs. And I realize that I need to halve my MCT oil because my stomach does not like 1 Tbsp. at a time.

    I like the stickies on how to deal with common issues during p2. Good idea.
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    Thanks Natalie. I added another entry dealing with meat aversion. It seems like a lot of people run into that as well.

    I've also added your insomnia suggestions to my blog post.
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    Well, I lost the weight gain today from the cauliflower so the last two days were a wash. I am hoping to get back on track with good losses. I had to take my mom shopping today and, of course, she wanted to go out to lunch. I had a plain salad and brought along my pouch of tuna and used red wine vinegar, salt and pepper. It is so nice to be able to eat tuna!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gz9gjg View Post
    Hi Leez, on a different website/forum, a friend who had symptoms of low sodium was advised to get Sole salt . . . she waited to do that instead of using what she already had in the house (regular salt and bouillon) and blacked out and fell, had a concussion, bruises, cuts, doctor said it was due to low electrolytes. My point - if the symptoms are present, folks need to do something quickly, rather than waiting to get the perfect supplement.

    We really ought to have a sticky on the P2 forum on this subject.
    Oh, no! Are you OK now?
    ETA: I see now.... it wasn't you....

    I use either Celtic salt or Redmond RealSalt. Iodized/ table salt only has sodium chloride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Mineral salt (pink salt, gray salt or sea salt) is the best way to take added salt so that you get needed potassium, magnesium and other necessary minerals. I salt everything liberally with that kind of salt throughout P2.
    Same here!

    Repeating....

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    Hello and Happy Saturday! Today is day one of VLCD after a fiasco of getting my HCG... I'm finally ready... I had hoped I'd be starting 1/1, yet just received my RX on Thursday, so did my two day load and today is the day. I'm a little nervous as in the past I've always gone to a clinic and they have prepped the injections. This time I went to a new medical practice and then the gal doing the HCG program was fired, so I paid a ridiculous amount of $ for weekly coaching and medical oversight only to be left on my own with needles, bach water and two vials of 11000 IU HCG. So I called a nurse friend and she mixed the solution for me on the first vial and now I am drawing my own needles...the instructions was to mix 11ml of bach water to the 11000 iu so we did that... I just wanted to check in, I have insulin syringes 1ml, and I'm filling it in between 10-20 on the needle, I'm assuming that is 150? It's just a tiny bit, is that correct? I'm thinking I'll use one vial till gone (about how long do you think that will last) and then either take a planned interruption or go 6 weeks and do the second vial? They vials have expiration date of May 28th. In the past I've only done the 23 day program and while I lost the weight I gained it back so I'm hoping a longer round will help reset better? I'm really very good at staying low carb most all the time when off HCG as I have inflammation that I try to keep at a min with no sugar, processed foods, starches, etc.... yet the pounds came back on, so I hoping longer round will do the trick. Looking forward to sharing support, ideas, thoughts, and love. Hugs and Happiness!
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    Hi Autumn, and welcome.

    Yes, 15 is correct on your syringe for at 150iu dose at the ratio you mixed. When you mix the next bottle, you might want to mix double the bac water, which would put your 150iu dose at 30. It just makes it easier in case you need to adjust your dose during the round.

    I think its always a good idea to do the 40 dose round, because it rests your hypothalmus longer, and gives your body more time to regulate your water levels. That does often make P3 easier and more peaceful. Generally, the 23 day round is only supposed to be used if you have 15 pounds or less to lose.

    This P3, you can take the opportunity to introduce likely problem foods separately. You may find you have a hidden sensitivity. And something like that can explain regain, and the reason we were fat and needed HCG in the first place.

    You can take a planned interruption any time after you have had 23 dose days.

    You'll have plenty of HCG. Generally, you don't want to use Your Hcg much after 30 days post mixing. You'll unfortunately be throwing some away. Odd that they gave you the 11000iu vials. I always hated having to throw out the extra from 5000iu vials. Seems so wasteful.

    I've not ever done this, so I can't recommend it, but some say they have had success with pre-filling syringes and freezing them after mixing to avoid the HCG degrading after 30 days. Be aware that the instructions all say "do not freeze". The instructions likely say that because peptides are very delicate and can crystallize with freeze defrost cycles. But if you are very careful to only slow-defrost them once, it may be ok. You would be experimenting on yourself, so just a warning about that if you decide to try it.
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    Happy Glorious Sunday!!! Thank you so! I've been doing some reading and some go past 40 days... would it be possible to just keep going if I feel up to it instead of a planned interruption or the 6 weeks in between? Here's what I'm thinking go 30 days, freeze remaining hcg from first batch, and thaw out daily in frig after that and see how it works (how many injections do you think a 11000 vial would produce?)... then mix the second batch and do the same, continuously taking it ... I want to lose 30-40 pounds... I know that is a big difference... I'd be happy at 30pounds loss as I don't need to be a skinny minny and have never been smaller as an adult than (155 I'm 5.7 - my bmi is at normal at 157 and I'm happy with how I look there) but thought the extra 15 pounds would give me some space so I never go above my "happy" weight again.... I seem to have this set point at around 175-180, I lose to 155 then gain it back over and over my entire life... I want 155 to be my new set point. One last question... what about freezing my entire second vial unmixed? and then if I want to do a second round in a few months mixing it and using it... just a thought... I so appreciate you and all your wisdom... I feel so abandon by the medical facility and it is wonderful to have a forum like this.. Thank you!!!!
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    An 11000iu vial will produce 73 doses of 150iu.

    Your unmixed vial will be good for at least a year, and probably several years beyond that. So freezing isn't really necessary. However, my opinion is that it would be safe to to freeze it (it is already freeze-dried anyway) as long as its only defrosted once. (I've had vials shipped to me in freezing weather that were just fine, so that plus some extensive reading leads me to believe this is ok.) Realize that this goes against the manufacturer's instructions, so its your judgement call whether to accept my opinion.

    I do not recommend rounds longer than the 40 dose days limit specified by the original protocol. There are good reasons for not dieting straight through to goal. Those waiting times in between rounds are extremely valuable in resting your body systems, and practicing maintenance. They allow you to figure out your eating strategies for when you actually get to goal so that you can stay there. I've written a blog post with more info to help you understand why you need those waiting times: https://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforum...-rounds-21433/

    You risk not stabilizing at goal (which is the whole point of this) if you push straight through. That is the bottom line. I've seen it happen to posters on this site. After months on HCG, the body cannot handle the stress, and when they try to stabilize, nothing they do can stop the regain. Its really very sad to put all that effort in to losing and then inevitably gain most or all of it back again. Not everyone reports back, so its not a definitive argument, of course. But if nothing else, consider that your skin will not have the opportunity to catch up with your losses unless you follow the prescribed schedule. The only option for hanging skin is surgery. I've lost over 100 pounds and I do not have sagging skin.

    With a planned interruption of up to 14 days, your round is longer, but you don't extend the dose days. Some think that that time off gives additional opportunity for the body to adjust and they feel they lose better after a planned interruption than they would have if continuing straight through.
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    Hi Everyone!

    I am 4 days into a stall--it happened to me on day 10...so it is a little frustrating but I will hang in there. We are going to a BBQ tonight so I am going to have a grilled burger patty.

    I did break down and put lotion on today. My skin has been so tight and awful feeling and since I am already in a stall, I imagine it was not the culprit of the first 4 days off my slow/no losses.

    I am still keeping up with 10000 K steps a day so going for a walk keeps my mind off of food and wine. I miss my wine.

    Hope everyone has a great rest of your Sunday!
    Tracey

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    Thank you, You Gracious, Generous, Gorgeous Girl! I had no idea my other vial would last up to a year if I don't mix... it says it expires in May... So with all this lovely information you have so lovingly shared here is my new course of action: I will freeze some syringes of my HCG now (I'm going to google how to load and save them, I tried but the stuff just squirted out) and go 25 days from the vial and the remaining 15 days from my frozen inventory (hope they work)... then I will wait the 6 weeks and do a mini round to use the rest of the frozen syringes. If they do not work then I will bust open the new vial, if they work I'll save the new vial for next year if need be. I am awfully hungry today, day two of VLCD so thinking of lowering my dose to 125 instead of the 150 tomorrow. So if the thought is that the mixed HCG loses potency wouldn't one just increase the dose? Just curious. Thank you again for all you do! With much appreciation!
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