Thread: July 2017 Loaders - Summer Hawties

Mussels are not on protocol. There is no way to know how it will work for you. If you decide to try them, it would be a personal experiment.

The safest thing to order when in P2 and at a seafood restaurant is broiled white fish with nothing added (season yourself and ask for lemon wedges), or shrimp cocktail and ask for sliced tomatos which would be your "cocktail sauce".

Dnalgne, how did your dinner out go? I survived 3 over the weekend, but they were at steak places where it was relatively easy to stay OP food wise. It was more a matter of portion control.
I know exactly what you mean when you say once you get a taste of something it’s downhill. For me that’s carbs, sugar, alcohol. Uggggghhhh! Why does it all have to taste.so.good!

Nice losses loudwheels! If you survived that buffet of bad food by only consuming 2 Cheezits then good for you (I also love the Jack flavored ones!)! It’s hard! I didn’t give up caffeine completely, I couldn’t. I allow myself 1 diet soda a day (one of my small rogue differences). It gets me through the AM without breakfast and without wanted to kill people LOL!

Leez, I saw your NSV on another thread…great job! I’m in the same boat as you…I can either end at D36 if I do 2 skip days or I don’t do skip days, remix and go to 40, wasting about ½ vial. I think I’ll skip tomorrow as planned and decide next week based on my losses.

AFM, D18 I was -1.4, D19 I was +0.2, D20 (today) I am -0.4. I’ve been OP for me so it’s just my typically Week 3 random fluctuations. On VLCD20 I am -17.2 (-0.91/day). No complaints there! I’m hoping to lose 27lbs this round but these last couple of weeks are typically slow going. I’m going to trust the process and see where it takes me.

And...I'm at least HALFWAY through this long round!! Yessssss!

Have a wonderful week July team!

Good idea to wait to decide. You can't predict how you will feel about it until you get there. You're having a great round so far. I hope it continues for you.

dnalgne, ugggghhh, the hidden oils! When I went out Sunday I was so specific about everything being cooked in no fat and they still brought the 'seasonal vegetable' (broccoli!) with butter. I knew immediately. At least you were mentally prepared for the gain. Now back on track! I've had slow rounds and fast rounds. So many factors to consider. I've had a long break from hCG and have a pretty good amount to lose. I've had plenty of rounds to understand my trigger foods and which rogue things I can get away with. And I know my current daily average isn't going to last (see my AFM at the end!!).

For protein I mix up beef (mostly steak, only occasionally ground beef), chicken and white fish...sometimes crab/lobster or albacore tuna (rogue). I usually start a round eating beef the first week or two but then taper off when my losses slow down. Maybe only 1/week once I hit week 3. Who knows...it all evens out in the end!

loudwheels, I don't really enjoy the taste but the caffeine helps and it makes me feel like I have something in my stomach between 10AM-1PM when I eat lunch. It's terrible for me and I'm trying my best to give it up completely. I don't drink warm drinks of any kind unless I have to.

The slow/no losses are so hard to mentally manage. I'm right there with you. I have to keep reminding myself to trust the process (rinse. repeat.). Good luck whatever you decide to do next week.

AFM, I've been stuck at the same weight for 4 days. Up some, down some, but my weight today is exactly what it was on Sunday....uggggghhhh. I've been staying OP for me so I'm trusting that this is my typical W3 stall and that the losses will catch up. I don't do apple/steak days or any of the other creative stuff people try to break a stall. I just power through it. Today is VLCD21 and I am down 17lbs (-0.85/day).

Happy Wonderful Wednesday everyone!

Hi Maggie, welcome! The great thing about HCG is that it works dependably, when you follow the protocol. I'm sure you'll do great again.

I'll start with the protocol answers to your questions:

You can use the juice of one whole lemon however you like each day.

Tea, coffee, plain water, or mineral water are the only drinks allowed, but they may be taken in any quantity and at all times.

Stevia or saccharin is fine.

The protocol says vinegar. It doesn't specify a variety.

You are not to mix vegetables at one meal.


OK now the provisionals and experimental choices:
It is likely that any zero calorie sweetener would be fine, except for sugar alcohols, which seem to stall some people.

Fizzy waters can be a problem for some because of sodium content. Some have no problem with them.

Cider vinegar would be the "safest" since apples are on protocol. It's likely that in Italy in the 1950s, people might have routinely used wine vinegar. Even though balsamic vinegar tends to be higher in sugar, in condiment portions like a tsp or so on your tomatos, it would likely be fine.

Others have pico as their vegetable and have done ok. You'll have to try it for yourself and see how you do.

The thing to remember is that the protocol works. Any variations are basically experiments you decide to do on yourself. The experiment may or may not affect your weight loss trajectory (although how would you really know without a baseline round) but the real danger is whether it would affect your ability to stabilize afterwards. Coconut oil has been tried a lot, and the reports show that it is one thing that can seem to help with losses, but then can derail your P3.

I love just putting a little wine vinegar, cracked black pepper, pink salt and chopped fresh cilantro (or fresh sweet basil) on grape tomatos. Its my favorite P2 salad, and goes great with fish. I'm having it tonight, as a matter of fact.