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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanna Jane View Post
    Day 3 and no hunger....yippee!!! Current weight this morning was 190 from 193 lb (beginning weight). So ther is a 3 lb. loss!

    Skeeballer donít get discouraged, I went through the same thing you are going through. Leez had me skip a injection day and I had no hunger. You should have no hunger towards the end of the day tomorrow.
    I'm trying not to get discouraged. Skipping my dose this morning to see how today goes. I woke up hungry but decided to try scrambling 1 egg with the 3 whites with some tomatoes to fill me up first thing. I lost another 1.4 so I'm down a total of 3.4 as of day 4. I know that is a decent amount but I'm used to it being a bit more especially at the beginning. I wonder if it's because I'm not drinking enough water--I've taken to drinking a lot of passion tea with lemon and sweetener because it helps with my cravings. But I need to make sure I'm not replacing my water too much with it. I had ground beef last night with some broccoli (made the broccoli in the air fryer and it was delicious just slightly browned with a little lemon and salt). I wonder if the beef and extra salt has me retaining water. Plus, no "movement" in 2 days. I'll up my Mag again today so wish me luck in that department as I usually go once a day I used to do a detox bath at least once a week but haven't been able to do that yet. And those always help me sleep as well.

    Ok, so if my dose if too high then I should not experience any hunger today at all?

    *Full disclosure* If I'm going to do this right, I need to be totally honest with myself and all of you. Yesterday was the first day I was totally POP. Days 1 and 2 I cheated and did not make it the whole day. My addictive (and weak) personality gave in and on Monday I had some chips and dip (about 350 cals worth) and on Tuesday I had some goldfish (damn those tasty carb morsels) by the handful. The good thing is, unlike my past, I didn't let either of those slip-ups turn into a major binge or a reason to quit. In fact, I ended up doing the opposite and having a OP dinner and feeling more in control, happy and determined. Yesterday was literally a one-step-at-a-time day, hour by hour, building on each moment. Once I got passed a certain time of the day (usually the kid's nap/quiet time) I knew I could just keep going and finally make it a day POP. I've NEVER done a POP day in all the times I've tried HCG. So, maybe this time is truly the turning point of making some changes.

    Also, POP for me is of course not the original protocol as I allow eggs and rogue veggies. But I think you know what I mean

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    Ok, so if my dose if too high then I should not experience any hunger today at all?
    You may have hunger off and on, but that means nothing until you get to the late afternoon/early evening part of the day. That is when your hunger level matters for diagnosing dose adjustment.

    So by 4pm or so, you will either be free or mostly free of hunger, or you will be ravenous and more hungry that before.

    If extra hungry then, you would raise your dose tomorrow. If hunger free, you will lower your dose tomorrow.

    I wonder if it's because I'm not drinking enough water--I've taken to drinking a lot of passion tea with lemon and sweetener because it helps with my cravings. But I need to make sure I'm not replacing my water too much with it.
    I have good news for you. You are drinking plenty of water for the protocol if you get in about 2 litres---and this includes your coffee & tea. Do not try to overdo the plain water. It can unbalance your electrolytes if you drink too much.


    Anytime you feel your losses are too slow, it can be worth going back to the original protocol food list and see if some of the additions you are allowing are causing a problem. But in this case, I think you know the problem.

    Of course, chips and goldfish crackers are not going to be conducive to better than average losses, which I'm sure you know. Congrats on recovering and making it through a whole day without giving in again. Now you know you can do it, so your strategy of "one-step-at-a-time day, hour by hour, building on each moment" is a good one. We always hear about taking one day at a time, but sometimes it has to be one meal at a time, or even one hour at a time. Celebrate your success!
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    If I do get ravenous this evening, should I just eat my regular meal and deal with it or can I allow for a little more protein and veggie? I have a feeling some melatonin or a detox bath may be needed tonight to help me sleep if I am in fact hungry.

    I also think I'm having to re-learn what "hungry" means. Going from likely over 3000+ calories a day (I assume that's how I got and remained obese) to less than 1000 (even with hcg) has to be a shock to the system. And even on day 4 whether my dose is correct or not, carb and sugar withdrawal is still a factor. I had my eggs and tomato about 2 hours ago and right now my stomach feels empty. It's not growling like it does when it's actually empty and I need to eat. But I definitely would have snacked by now on a regular day. Not that that is a good thing. The next few days (let's be real, for me it will be hours/minutes) I'll truly be hyper focusing on my body and its signals. I want to know when I'm hungry and eat only then. Sad that I don't even know that.

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    Don't anticipate being ravenous. The most likely scenario is that you will feel better, not worse. Most of the time, doses need to be lowered.

    If you are ravenous, eating more won't fix that, so just do the best you can to distract yourself until you can take your next dose.

    Figuring out hunger and satisfaction cues are a big key in successfully maintaining your losses after HCG. However, when your dose is right in P2, you are not going to have much to work with, because you won't be hungry often, or at all. Satisfaction signals can be practiced, though.

    I have an article that addresses practicing recognition of our hunger/satisfaction signals. It might help you understand them a bit better. https://hcgdietinfo.com/how-to-know-...-you-are-full/

    One of the reasons we feel so well in P2 is that our body is being fueled at an adequate level by our own fat stores released by the action of the HCG. So you are not depriving your body of calories like you do in a standard diet plan, and you are also not burning your muscle mass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Happy for you that you lost most of your load weight. That's always a relief.

    First off, empty tummy growling is not hunger. It is just digestive noises. But you could be experiencing some real hunger. That can happen the first few days if you didn't load with enough fats or if dose is too high.

    If your dose is right, you will not feel hunger except for a little bit at normal meal times. And that will go away when you eat. If you have hunger that persists after eating, or hunger that is so strong or painful you can't ignore it or dampen it with a cup of hot tea, then you have dose related hunger.

    I would give it a couple more days. Remember that your starting dose was 200iu, so it will take another day or so to get you to the 150iu you are taking now. The reason is that HCG overlaps in your system over 3 days. Give us your hunger status tomorrow and the next day and I suspect things will even out for you. If not, and you are experiencing strong hunger, then the next step is to do a skip day. That will bring your levels down and quickly give you relief, then you can resume the next day at 125iu.


    Thanks Leez, going to read that article. Skeeballer, Leez gives such solid, sound advice--in the past I am sure all of us have eaten or snacked mindlessly. We've all done it, and often, like when reaching for a snack while watching tv at nite. Might not be hungry but reach for snacks almost reflexively (is that even a word), and with your littles, giving them a snack, so easy, almost out of habit to grab a bite for yourself--but you can change the behaviour, with determination. It takes eating mindfully. The hcg will really help with hunger, if you get dose correct, but we have be mindful and determined to correct some of the behaviours we have indulged in before doing protocol. I remember the first time I did hcg I had been eating fast food for lunch daily--and seeing a Wendy's or McDonalds--my car would just want to turn in and order. It was a challenge to pass these lunches up for some time. And really, I feel so much better, not eating those junk foods. Tonite I was gone most of the day, came home and not anything precooked for dinner, or thawed out--so I cut up a bowl of salad with tiny bit of cheese, and bacon bits, a bit of chicken, homemade sugar free dressing--because I am on P3--and I feel completely satisfied. P2 is difficult because it is really a period to detox and reset to healthier eating, and eating less so you can be aware of portions, I think. If you stick to protocol, believe me, it WILL get easier--the reduction in food is more a mental thing at first than hunger. Like Leez says, remember you are not just being fueled with 500 calories, hcg is drawing calories from our fat stores. Doing p2 protocol will really help when you get to P3 and you will be able to understand your real hunger cues, and be open to reasonable portion control. You can do this skeeballer, don't get discouraged, and like Leez said, take it one meal at a time. Done correctly when you get to p3, you'll be surprised, you will want better, healthier food, and hopefully will be able to reset to a caloric base that allows for great food. If I can do it, a real sugar addict and carb craver--you can too. This might not be helpful, but I so want to encourage you to not give up, if losing is what you really want. Hcg Protocol will work, if you follow the process. Hugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Excellent news, Deanna. Maybe this is your sweet spot.
    I sure hope so, Leez because it was pretty discouraging on R3. I tried so hard. I am so excited this time, I really think I might succeed this time around.
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    Thanks you guys! I appreciate the encouragement and support. I read the blog post on hunger and it made sense. And, alas, I was not hungry at all this afternoon and evening. So I will dose at 125 tomorrow. Hopefully that will end up being the right dose for me. Unfortunately I went off protocol again today anyway. I'm so disappointed because I thought that by making it through yesterday I would be stronger. But I guess being tired and maybe bored today I gave in and had some chocolate chips. It's so frustrating because I know even that small amount of sugar will set me back. How can I expect this to work and how can I be successful in P3 if I can't even stick to protocol in the first week of P2?! I'm starting to really wonder if I have any true willpower at all or the ability to stay strong and in control of my behaviors. It just made me grouchy, crave more of the wrong foods and I snapped at the kids and now I feel like crap and am expecting either a gain or no loss tomorrow morning. Just not worth it. But I'm not giving up like I would have in the past. Here is to a better tomorrow...

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    ....I was not hungry at all this afternoon and evening. So I will dose at 125 tomorrow.....
    Yes, that is exactly right. And tomorrow is another day where you will have multiple chances to make good choices that will keep you on protocol. Its not too late to turn things around and have a great P2. Remember....take it one decision at a time.

    Now that you will have your hunger under control, it should be easier. If you have a craving, see if you can talk yourself into waiting 10 minutes. Often, that is enough to fade the craving. A little glutamine powder under your tongue can help with that as well. I suspect you won't have nearly as much pull to eat off plan tomorrow, because cravings are also a sign of a dose that is too high.
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    Leez, how in the world do you keep up with all of the threads?! I've been reading all over the forum and your wealth of knowledge is endless and flows everywhere

    No gain, no loss this morning. Hopefully that is the end of it and I can move on from here. Injected 125 and feeling good so far. Other than having 1 hard boiled egg with tomato first thing in the morning, I'm going to stick to original protocol as much as possible. Tomorrow I may try to skip breakfast altogether, but if it makes me nauseated then an egg may be all I can stomach.

    The more I stay on the forum and read, the more motivated I remain. But with a 5 year old and a 2 year old, I also need to get out of the house and let them burn off some energy. Problem is, it has been so humid in North Texas and I have no tolerance for heat and no energy!! I'm so mad at myself for not taking the hcg diet seriously when I was kid-less and had the time to be selfish! Ah, those days of being able to rest and veg out whenever I wanted...but I also know these days while they are little will be over before I know it. And this summer is already flying by!

    Deanna, hope you're still doing well!

    I'm praying for a BM today especially since I upped the magnesium yesterday!! Determined to stick to the plan all day and conquer these cravings and all-or-nothing behavior.

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    Keep upping that magnesium until it works. In the meantime, there is nothing wrong with using a suppository or an enema to get immediate relief. We tend to forget about those tried & true remedies.


    I've been a researcher into health topics most of my life, have been blessed to work with some really knowledgeable and wise health providers, and I'm glad to share what I've learned.
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    I need some quick advice. I'm VLCD #12. I've gotten off to a very bad start. I have only lost 5 lbs. and I'm the same as I was on VLCD 5. Last friday I got myself into an impromptu Happy Hour and really screwed the pooch. I've read folks getting stalled a week after a really HUGE cheat. I'm ok with that. I honestly mis-timed my start. I should have started in later June.....many reasons. Regardless, I started end of May. Now....what to do. I have a 4 day trip planned next Tuesday that will take me away for some much needed relaxation. It won't really be a major food issue....just relaxing in the peace of the Texas hill country and lounging around sipping cocktails. (and snacking i'm sure!). What are my options regarding how to proceed with this round?

    My thoughts (based on ZERO knowledge.....just ideas on what I think are doable for me)

    1. stop the injections now......day 12.....and start back next weekend once home from my trip

    2. continue the injections (staying strict OP) until I leave next Tuesday.........eat as clean as possible and know that the alcohol will stall me again.

    3. My clinic sells the HCG at a very reasonable price.....so, I can easily extend my round and get serious after my trip. Or, I can stop the round, freeze my HCG....re-start next week without loading and then finish my current bottle and buy another to keep going.

    I really don't have more than 20 lb. to lose. That is what makes my screw up so frustrating.

    Any suggestions? I'm ok to try something off protocol. I do have the ability to buckle down after my trip and do the right thing.

    4. If I just quit and froze my bottle.....how long would I have to wait to start back up again?

    What I want to do is.......do an interruption but Leez has already told me that you need to be at VLCD 21 before you can do an interruption.

    What options do you guys think I have at this point. Given, I stalled myself out in the first 10 days where I generally lose about 10Lb.

    I want to do the right thing for my body. I"m pretty upset with myself and go back and forth about quitting.....or continuing forward. What good is injecting if I'm going to be so off protocol with the alcohol beverages?

    I'm being honest here.....I"m ok with being scolded! It is what it is....or, it was what it was. I have never totally blown a round like this before.

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    If the determination is present, there is always a way to make protocol work, even with social or traveling events. It doesn't sound to me like your head is in the game this time. You already have your next series of cheat days planned, so is there really a point to continue?

    Probably the least harmful thing you can do at this point is stop. Then wait the amount of time you would normally do after whatever round number this is for you before attempting another one. That will at least guard you against immunity which could happen if you restarted earlier. And then maybe you will be in a better mental place to carry through.

    Sometimes you just have to cut your losses and regroup.
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