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    Quote Originally Posted by Qvox View Post
    Crystal, that is a little high.

    I know you're making progress, but what is your current body composition? Do you know what your blood glucose runs about 2 hours after you eat?
    I am 5'6", 196 lb. I think my body fat is at 41-42%, but this is an opinion, not a fact.
    My blood sugar has barely any spikes now. I measure in the morning and it is at 105-117. During the day, after meals it is in the same range, not higher than 120.

    I did ketostix. The ketone level is at about 1.5 mmol, however this measurement is not accurate. It simply indicates that some amount of ketones is present.

    I do a very low carb/high fat diet for 3 weeks and no change in weight whatsoever. To be honest a change in weight is not that important for me (I have HCG for that!) but I really wanted to be able to run on fat as fuel rather than carbs.
    I have had sugar spikes for as long as I remember. Even on HCG when I had an apple I felt sugar rushing through my veins. On P3, when I went low carb, everything changed. I feel comfortabe without them. The amount that I am eating is enough for me. Everything seems to work, except I am not using fat as my primary fuel. I am sure of that.

    Qvox, when I do things, I research them very thoroughly. This is why I started HCG in the first palce and not somehting else.
    I know more about keto way of life than many. I read books of leading experts on keto - Lyle McDonald, Volek and Phinney. I listened to people who practice keto, checking their credentials first. My favorite is Stephanie "the business person". I read studies on fat oxidation in endurance athletes, who, when not keto adapted burn twice less fat for energy than those who are keto adapted. This is why when your body did not switch its priorities to burn fat over muscle, it will burn some fat but it will cannibalize muscles like crazy. Hence the endurance athletes look like the've been straving for months.

    With all that information learned, I have no idea why I cannot switch. I have no idea why my sugar is so high. My belief is that when I get sugar down to 80, I will burn fat in much larger quantity and my body will know what to do with it.

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    Crystal, I wouldn't worry about it right now. You have metabolic syndrome.

    If you're blood glucose readings have been accurate then you A1C number is going to come back a bit high, your doctor is going to diagnose you as pre-diabetic and recommend that that you lose weight, watch your diet and get more exercise.

    Once you get your body fat down I bet your insulin resistance goes away. Until you lose more body fat your fighting an unwinnable battle. We've all been there. We've all had Metabolic syndrome. My blood sugar did all sorts of funky crap as I was losing fat. All your hormones are adapted to your current body composition, ...which is changing. I bet you have all kinds of imbalances. But the most important one is the hormone insulin. With that said there is absolutely no sense trying to balance them at this point.

    HCG works for you, which is a good thing. As you said, in the 3 weeks you'll start your second round. Lose the fat and then think about some of the other things.

    Don't worry it'll get easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qvox View Post
    ...I can find absolutely no good scientific or medical evidence that HCG "resets" anything. The idea that it creates a new "set point" isn't supported by any reliable studies, and our current understanding of human physiology doesn't seem to support the idea either. I was convinced that this was either quackery, or based on bad outdated science. And yet I seem to be experiencing a "set point"....
    Its interesting to me that on Grammy's blog, this is how she phrases it:

    Quote Originally Posted by grammy1952
    It rests your hypothalamus so it’s more difficult to regain the weight.
    I'm not certain that its not a typo....and she meant to type "resets", but regardless, its food for thought.

    Maybe thats a better way to look at it. You are not "reset" in a way that you can't override, but it makes it easier to keep your results than it would have been before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Its interesting to me that on Grammy's blog, this is how she phrases it:



    I'm not certain that its not a typo....and she meant to type "resets", but regardless, its food for thought.

    Maybe thats a better way to look at it. You are not "reset" in a way that you can't override, but it makes it easier to keep your results than it would have been before.

    I just can't see how HCG would "reset" your hypothalamus. That was one of the claims Kevin Trudeau made when he promoted the diet back in the 00's, and I think it was pretty much debunked backed then.

    To be honest, I'm working out hard, 5-7 hours of hard cardio a week, coupled with daily resistance training. So that probably has a lot to do with it. Last night the wife and I went out to dinner, I had a few beers, drank wine, ate a 1 lb filet (post cooked weight I might add...it was huge), medium rare, had a huge baked potato with butter and sour cream, salad, enjoyed both appetizers and this gigantic chocolate desert.

    I really over did it, and violated a lot of dietary lines yesterday.

    This morning I'm down about 1.3 pounds....

    Whatever, I'll take it.

    I've lost 2% body fat since the end of P2, so I'm still moving towards my goal...slowly. One thing I strongly recommend is hard exercise. I think this helps on so many levels, not the least of which is burning calories. Studies have shown that even older adults can increase their levels of human growth hormone naturally through strenuous exercise (has to be hard...walking and low levels of cardio don't do it). HGH reduces body fat, increases muscle tone and mass, raises metabolism and just makes you "feel" good.

    One thing I noticed is I do have some saggy skin. Thankfully it seems to be concentrated on my lower belly areas, below the waistline, and above the pelvic bone. I also have some very high up on my thighs, literally where my legs connect to my body, and a small amount on what I called my "side boobs" (lol)...the last remnants of of my man boobs. These areas have shown fast improvement. The skin is tightening, and seem a lot less wrinkly then they did before. I honestly think it's because of the hard workouts, I hypothesis (no way to prove it) that I'm producing more HGH naturally, and that it's helping get my body in better shape.

    I wonder if anyone has used HCG to cut with?

    I still have 10-15 lbs of body fat I'd like to shed, but I don't want to lose muscle. I want to get shredded. I really don't want to get lighter, I'm happy with my current weight. I just want to lose the body fat. But putting on lean muscle seems tough now. I don't think that has to do with HCG, probably has more to do with being a 48 year old male then anything.

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    I'm sure I've seen references to using HCG to get cut on body building forums before. You might try doing some searches.

    I admire that you are willing to put that much effort into achieving that goal. That's a lot of hard working out.

    Makes me even more glad I'm a gurl. I'm perfectly happy with being a bit squishy. ^_^


    I've decided to raise my LIW up a pound. Even though steak days are bringing me back close to LIW, my body just doesn't seem to want to stay there. I'll see how it goes at 1 pound higher, but I might end up raising it 2. Doing even one steak day a week is too much, and I would have had to do another today for no particular food reason.
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    My A1C result is back and the blood glucose is 111. This is the reading that I got most of the time testing at home.
    I haven't spoken to my doctor yet, but I think this is the main reason I haven't been losing well on HCG.
    Darn it! I follow the guidelines, don't cheat, and then find out that I have some kind of metabolic derangement. It is very disappointing.
    I see how low carb diet - not keto, since I am far from being ketogenic - work for people who are 286 lb, for example. They don't work for me. I bet those people are also metabolically damaged in some way.
    Something is clearly wrong with me.

    I asked Grammy for an advice on blood sugar issue, but she did not respond anything. Oh, well!

    Cinnamon and chromium should be helpful to lower it, unless my doctor prescribes a low dose metformin.

    I hope to fix myself before the next HCG round.

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    Grammy is in the middle of edits for her next book, but I'm sure she will answer if she sees your question. Perhaps bump it? or if it was in a question thread, maybe start a new topic in her forum.

    I'm sorry that you have to deal with these issues, but now at least you know what is wrong. Berberine is an herbal supplement that has performed as well as metformin in clinical tests. You might ask your doctor about that. No side effects that way.
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    Liz,

    Thank you so much. You are very helpful.
    I just ordered cinnamon, chromium, and berberine.
    Will see how it goes.

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    I took berberine myself for about 6 months. Labs taken after 3 months showed that it definitely increased insulin sensitivity, and my cholesterol numbers were lowered as well. I continued it (with my doctors blessing) until I was in the normal range.

    Scale says I can eat breakfast today, so I'm off to get some. I love this time of the year with all the fresh produce. I think I'll have a juicy peach. Yum!
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  10. #454
    Crystal, there is absolutely nothing "abnormal" or "unique" about your current condition. In fact it's quite common and expected. Carrying extra body fat affects insulin resistance. The more fat you carry, and the larger your fat cells, the less effective insulin is at removing glucose from your blood.

    At your levels, you're not diabetic. You're "pre" diabetic. At your height and weight technically you're obese class 1. I was there. I hated the idea of being "obese". I hated the word. I felt like crap, exercise was hard and painful. I was tired all the time, I didn't sleep well, my blood pressure was through the roof. I was in horrible shape. Starting the process of losing the fat took huge effort. I started months before I started the HCG diet, and my results where so slow. I was so completely discouraged. I didn't exercise consistently, and my sessions where sloppy. I just felt bad.

    There is absolutely no mystery about what needs to happen. You have to lose fat, or to be specific, you have to shrink your fat cells. But you already know that.

    Now, you may not have lost as much as you'd have liked, but you did lose. So it worked!

    Do it again, and keep doing it, until you hit your goal. Didn't you say you started adding more exercise? What kind of exercise are you doing?

    I know this is hard to believe right now, but at your body composition (5'6" 196lbs) the next 5-10% of body fat lost will have a dramatic effect on your insulin resistance.

    After that things should start to get easier. So if you lose another 10-20 lbs the light at the end of the tunnel will start to look a lot brighter.

    You're doing good! Keep up!

    Most people don't have the courage and fortitude to do what your doing.

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    Qvox is right that the weight loss is key to improving the glucose situation. The berberine will help, but I only saw the full results of escaping metabolic syndrome (I actually think I had the menopause variation of that: SyndromeW --the w stands for women's waist) as I lost to goal. I saw the visible changes via shrinking in my torso in the last 20 pounds. I'm no longer on any medication except Armour thyroid.

    I know how scary it is to find out you are in a pre-diabetic stage. You can beat it...just keep on with the long goal in mind.
    At goal since 2015. \(ᵔᴥᵔ)/ Total HCG loss: 77# [5'5" 210-133] Maintenance strategies overview
    Please note that any suggestions I make are based on the Original Protocol.

    My recent HCG round was with DietDoc. Our site owner has generously arranged for me to earn a small fee if you use my DietDoc or Nu Image Medical link to order your Hcg and supplies. (All HDI site discounts and coupons apply.) A full review of my experience and how the round progressed: my Diet Doc review and my Hcg coaching blog here

    Medical Disclaimer: My statements are not intended to treat, diagnose or cure any medical condition.

  12. #456
    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Qvox is right that the weight loss is key to improving the glucose situation. The berberine will help, but I only saw the full results of escaping metabolic syndrome (I actually think I had the menopause variation of that: SyndromeW --the w stands for women's waist) as I lost to goal. I saw the visible changes via shrinking in my torso in the last 20 pounds. I'm no longer on any medication except Armour thyroid.

    I know how scary it is to find out you are in a pre-diabetic stage. You can beat it...just keep on with the long goal in mind.
    I think several different supplements can help, but the real problem is body fat.

    First, the thing to realize is your not "unusual" or "different". Most people that are carrying extra body fat have insulin resistance problems. Second, ANYTHING you do to try to correct the problem while carrying around excess body fat isn't THE solution. The solution is losing body fat. Trying to get it under control without dealing with the underlying issue is an uphill battle, and one that's not necessary.

    Crystal, you're already on the road to losing the weight, and correcting the problem. Trying to figure out the solution is unnecessary, you already know the solution. At 5'6" and 196 lbs, you still have some fat to lose.

    Second, your not diabetic, your pre-diabetic, so adding a diabetic drug like metformin is pointless. Although, I do like that drug, it's derived from a molecule that was originally derived from a french lilac which has been used for hundreds of years. But while I don't think it'd hurt you, I just don't think it's necessary at this point. More than likely you doctor will agree.

    Personally if it was me I'd flip my macros. Oh, and calories do count. At where you are you need to create a calorie deficit. I'd use one of the basil metabolic estimators online to come up with a baseline for your calorie intake. It's not perfect, but it'll at least give you a target. After you get that target, create a deficit through a combination of increase exercise or calorie restriction. ...but that's just me.

    I consume most of my calories from fat, followed by protein, followed by carbohydrates. That's a typical ketogenic diet (and one I recommend), but for you, where you are right now (not where you're going to be) I'd flip the fat and protein. I'd keep the carbs lower, but I'd try consuming most of my calories from protein, followed by fat, followed by healthy complex carbohydrates. I'd avoid sugars altogether, or as much as possible. ...but again, that's just me.

    As far as activity goes, I'd plan on getting my heart rate up at least 30 minutes each and every day. Since you said you like research here's a cool link: Heart rate

    Personally, I would do a session in the AM and PM. But again, everyone is different.

    I'd also start something simple with resistance training. Something like calisthenics (pushups, sit ups, pull ups), and maybe get a kettlebell like I talked about earlier in this thread. I love mine! (..it kicks my ***...and abs ) You'd be surprised how much "stressing" muscle can suck up extra glucose in your blood, and the cardio will burn fat like you won't believe.

    The cool thing is it's VERY effective when starting out. You'll get a huge spike in your results, much more then I'd get. Like everything your body get's use to activity, and the more you do it the less results you'll see. Which is why you have to do muscle confusion, and change stuff out, the more you do exercise. But you don't have to think about that right now. Just start moving more.

    You don't have a BIG problem, not yet. You have the motivation, and have already done what it's going to take. You just have to rinse and repeat until you get the results you want!

    Break your goal up. Your next goal is to lose 10-20 lbs. That's the win to focus on! Then after that go to your next goal, and keep doing until you hit your ultimate goal.

    You'll get there!

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