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    Hey Katie, what part of Michigan? I moved out of Novi, MI in June to northern Utah.

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    Gz-I’m in Clarkston. It’s definitely an adjustment living in a Michigan winter!

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    I can just guess! It's easier for me, Utah's winters are very similar to Michigan's, but with more sunshine. :-)

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    Happy Thursday y'all!

    Well, I decided to end this round a week earlier than I had planned. A bunch of stuff has come up and I decided, rather than fight it, I'll just stop this week and go into P3 on Saturday. That will allow me more options when we go out to dinner on Saturday with our friends. So, today and tomorrow, I'm sticking with the diet, but not taking the hhcg. My final decision was made this morning, when once again, the scale refused to go down. Oh well, it wasn't meant to be... Now I will just focus on stabilizing (which shouldn't be hard since the scale refuses to move anyway) and getting through the holidays without too much damage. I've been leaning towards doing another round in January anyway, so this just made up my mind for sure.
    Katie, I hope your round ends on a positive note! Leez & GZ, thanks for the moral support on this round. I'll probably jump over to Pearlie's thread to keep me on track with P3 and P4.
    Take care!
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    R1 SW: 158.7 LDW: 152.5 March 2017
    R2 SW: 151.3 LDW: 144.0 May 2017
    R3 SW: 135.9 LDW: 130.9 October 2017
    R4 SW: 137.0 LDW: 132.0 March 2018
    R5 SW: 142.6 LDW: 132.1 November 2018
    R6 SW: 144.8 LDW: 136.1 December 2019
    R7 SW: 138.0 LDW: 130.4 February 2021
    R8 SW: 148.2 LDW: 141.6 March 2022
    R9 SW: 142.3 LDW: 137.8 October 2023
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    All the best with your P3, LinderLou. If you had planned another round this winter anyway, no real damage done by stopping early. And, going into P3 from a stall could make things easier for you if the stall breaks in P3.
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    Thanks Leez. I was hoping the stall would work in my favor. I am pleased with where I am size-wise. The number on the scale, not so much. But, I'm the only one who sees that, so as long as my pants fit, I'm good for now.
    2016 SW: 186.2 GW: 115 HT: 5'3"
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    R1 SW: 158.7 LDW: 152.5 March 2017
    R2 SW: 151.3 LDW: 144.0 May 2017
    R3 SW: 135.9 LDW: 130.9 October 2017
    R4 SW: 137.0 LDW: 132.0 March 2018
    R5 SW: 142.6 LDW: 132.1 November 2018
    R6 SW: 144.8 LDW: 136.1 December 2019
    R7 SW: 138.0 LDW: 130.4 February 2021
    R8 SW: 148.2 LDW: 141.6 March 2022
    R9 SW: 142.3 LDW: 137.8 October 2023
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    Lou-good luck with p3. I

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    Hello Group,
    I'm a newbie on day 9 including 2 loading days of my very first round I am a male, my pre-HCG SW was 213 I'm now at 204 I gained a pound today because I have been starving for the last 2 days unable to stay on track with the calories, I ate 1300 calories yesterday, it was super easy on week one now super hard on week two especially the last 2 days, I'm on 10000 IU's for 40 days at 250 IU's each day, I have a few questions:

    Am I supposed to have a NON-HCG Day, I haven't done one and why would I need to?

    If I do change the dose to lower (if determined) how does a lower dose, make you less hungry, my logic says more would make me less hungry?
    (I feel so hungry compared to last week) Please help, the feeling of discouragement is setting in.

    Ands is this a "stall" that I gained a pound or is a stall when you don't go to the restroom? lol. (Just working on my forum lingo too.)

    High Regards,
    Daniel

    Any all all adice is welcome

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    Hi Daniel, I'll try to give you some guidance that will help you get back on track.

    First....injecting 250iu daily is a very high dose and would cause most people extreme hunger. A normal dose for both women and men is 125-150iu. Although some will need a bit higher dose, but generally not over 200. Hunger on HCG is paradoxical--it can be caused by EITHER a too high or too low dose and both look the same. If you are extremely hungry and eating does not stop the hunger then your dose is suspect. Hunger after you eat is a strong sign that dose needs adjustment. There can be a bit of "normal" hunger during the HCG diet. But that kind usually is mild, comes right before regular meal time and goes away when you eat or have a hot drink.

    The way we deal with dose hunger is to skip dosing for a day while continuing the low calorie diet. If your dose has been too high, hunger will abate sometime late afternoon. If your dose is too low, hunger will get worse about that time. What happens before then does not matter or figure in to the diagnostic. If your skip day indicates you need to lower dose, I would recommend you lower to 175iu or 200iu, rather than the 25iu increment we normally use to change dose.

    If you get to the afternoon of the skip day, and nothing has changed, you may need a second skip day since your current dose is double what most people do well on, and levels may not yet have come down enough. HCG overlaps itself in your body for 3 days, so just changing dose without the skip day won't help you get relief quickly. The skip day lowers the levels enough to see which direction you need to adjust.

    As for your other questions:

    If you are doing a round longer than 30 days, you need to do a skip day once a week to prevent onset of immunity.

    You are not in a stall until you have not lost any weight for 4 days. Stops and small upward scale movement can be a normal part of the process. And yes, they can be caused by constipation, illness, any kind of inflammation and even poor sleep. You will want to do whatever is necessary to get guts moving again so that your body process aid the action of the HCG. If a good old fashioned enema or suppository works for you, that is great. Most of us though will have to also soften things up internally. Try taking magnesium and vitamin C (at night and with a full glass of water) and keep increasing the dose each day until you get relief. If you overshoot, you'll get some loose bowels, but you can then back off to the previous dose. This is the gentlest way to get stools soft and small. Do not take fiber. It just adds another block behind the one you already have.
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    Im truly impressed Leez! okay I have 10,000 IUs with 6 ML bac water currently have 50 unit syringes at 250 IUs per dose at 15 units my question is if you can help me with the math on a 200 IUs and 175 IUs dose and what units those would be with that same 50 unit syringe?

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    Here is the math. this formula works for any amount of HCG and any amount of bac water.

    Divide the IUs in the HCG vial by the ml of bac water you used

    10,000 divided by 6 = 1667 IUs per ml

    Now, divide the dose you want by the the above result of IUs per ml

    250 divided by 1667 = .15 (or 15) on your syringe
    200 divided by 1667 = .12 (or 12)
    175 divided by 1667 = .11 (or 11) --actually 10.5
    150 divided by 1667 = .09 (or 9)
    125 divided by 1667 = .07 (or 7) --actually 7.5

    That is a super potent mixture. We recommend mixing 10ml with 5000iu or even 20ml with 5000iu, (which is the ration Dr. Simeons used)
    The problem with the very potent ratios is that its very hard to pull your dose accurately because some gets left in the needle while you are often trying to get your level somewhere between two marks. You will have to do the best you can for now, because once you've drawn a dose you cannot add more bac water.

    How did your skip day go?
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    Hello,
    Yesterday "my skipped day" there wasn't any change in my hunger, (I was still unusually hungry) but you had mentioned a second skipped day because my dose was so high, so TBD, because that's today! I already don't feel hungry this morning like I was, the chemistry aspect of this journey is so fascinating! Thank you.

    I'll update you soon.!

    High Regards,
    Daniel

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