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    Jeff, for what it's worth--I've seen during my time on P3 and PIs, that gains I expect to see the next day, often don't show up until the 2nd morning after. But these swings have, for me anyway, during P3 always seem to drop back in a day or two. So, I think you are right to not be overly concerned. I do believe this is why it IS so important to weigh daily in P3 to determine which foods you might be more sensitive to. During my P3's I never technically had to do a correction day (didn't plan on doing one rHa egardless), but I remember being exactly on the 2 lb over, once I believe. And if I was edging that way would do mostly protein on those days, not all protein, but largely, with some fats in there too. How do you make your fat bombs? Have a great day!

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    it is sort of a personal policy of mine to never have a bad weekend, nor do a correction day.

    Fat bombs:

    8 oz cream cheese
    1/4 cup marscapone
    1/2 cup salted butter
    1/4 cup natural peanut butter
    1/4 cup swerve confectioners sugar
    2 tbs vanilla
    a handful + of Lily's no sugar added chocolate chips (whichever flavor you like. I love salted caramel but cant always find it. semi sweet or dark choco are fine by me)

    Melt butter in a microwave safe bowl. melt sugar into the butter. Leave cream cheese and marscapone out for a couple hours prior to soften. Mix everything together. Put into silicone candy molds and freeze. move to covered freezer container. Keep in freezer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonblack View Post
    it is sort of a personal policy of mine to never have a bad weekend, nor do a correction day.

    Fat bombs:

    8 oz cream cheese
    1/4 cup marscapone
    1/2 cup salted butter
    1/4 cup natural peanut butter
    1/4 cup swerve confectioners sugar
    2 tbs vanilla
    a handful + of Lily's no sugar added chocolate chips (whichever flavor you like. I love salted caramel but cant always find it. semi sweet or dark choco are fine by me)

    Melt butter in a microwave safe bowl. melt sugar into the butter. Leave cream cheese and marscapone out for a couple hours prior to soften. Mix everything together. Put into silicone candy molds and freeze. move to covered freezer container. Keep in freezer.

    NOw these are something I could eat. Most fat bombs sound disgusting to me. Am going to blog this to remember and will print it out. Thanks for the receipe.! Do you do all the cooking at your house?

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    Do you do all the cooking at your house?
    most of it. My wife will make her own breakfast and will fend for herself for dinner when I am playing tennis. All meal prepping is done by me. All family meals prepared by me. but I like to cook and am not complaining.

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    I know several friends that the cooks in families are the men. A lot of great chefs....and almost all of our friends, the husbands are grill kings! It's all good, I doubt you'd do it if you didn't enjoy!

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    Meal prep days can be tedious though. A lot of work and time taken. That is why they make wine.

    210.1lbs this morning. Down .7lbs and .5 under LDW. I am not seeing the wild fluctuations I saw last P3 but things are not as easy. Last P3 I felt it was easy to reach satisfaction level with food. This time, I feel hungry almost all the time. I don't think I am eating too little but maybe I have cut my portions down too far and am too paranoid against overeating. Going to have to really watch and monitor.

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    Good job on the drop down. Sorry about the feeling hungry all the time. You know they say the body really wants to go back to certain set points, even after losing weight. Those set points are sometimes difficult to break through when in P2. I guess why when people feel bad and lose a little weight (say with flu or cold) they generally gain it right back once they begin eating again, same principle. Will say just this week I decided to kinda experiment with eating more than I have at times. On P2 foods, but upped my protein (fish) serving on 2 days to 6 oz. When I had the larger fish svgs (which really did make me feel full) I didn't have the veggies to try and offset calories--but those days I did have my grissini sticks, both fruits, just upped the protein. Resulted in good losses, one morning after was 1.4 lost, and this morning had a 2 lb drop. You may need to make sure you aren't cutting back too much. You expend a lot of calories with tennis, a lot! Add to that, being male, you should probably reset calorie level pretty high, I would think. maybe you need to up the portions a little. Good luck on figuring it out.

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    Quick update.

    Had a difficult weekend. Weight was at 210.9 Saturday morning. Jumped up to 215.6 on Sunday morning. Up to 216.3 on Monday. Down to 215.0 this morning. Doing my first steak day today. First in several rounds.

    Very strange because as far as food goes, really nothing out of the ordinary. Saturday, started the day off with a leftover bite of steak from the night before walking out the door to play tennis, as I was running late. Tennis ended up getting rained out. Had lunch with my son at our local wing joint. I did sneak in a couple tortilla chips but not enough to justify that kind of a jump. Drank wine all afternoon, but I have done that many times before in P3. Ate very little for dinner as I wasn't that hungry. Had people over that night and made BBQ ribs (no sauce, sugar etc). Ate 1 I believe. Sunday was more of the same. Tennis was rained out (I have played only once in the last 7 days due to rain) again. Eggs for breakfast, grilled wings for lunch and grilled flanken ribs for dinner. As far as portions go, I don't believe I ate too much or too little. I am getting accustomed to eating to satisfaction. But I do find myself a little more hungry between meals.

    So what is different? The big thing is that I am coming off of a 2 week protocol. It has been said many times on this site by the moderators that stabilization is better after longer rounds. Since my round was so short it stands to reason that my P3 is going to be a bit of a wild ride. And these last couple of days bear that out. Also my tennis schedule has been on its ear. I have played once in the last 7 days due to constant rain in the area. And that one day was not much in the way of exercise. My body feels sluggish and bloated. I cannot help but think that the lack of tennis is part of the deal too. And last week I was hungry between meals. Much more than I remember being on my last P3.

    And what is the same? Well in past P3 rounds, I have seen big jumps on the scale around the same time. The early stages are quite crazy. A 4lb jump in the scale is not welcome but I have seen it before. And it usually happens on weekends. So I have been here before so no reason to panic. I will settle in to the routine and things will hopefully level off. But then again it is entirely possible that such a short round could make things too difficult and I could be fighting against my body's desire to rush back to the previous set weight. But my thoughts on that are that you never truly lock in a weight. Even if you take the max days on protocol and have a flawless P3 round your weight will still jump up like crazy if you start eating poorly. It is simply very difficult to maintain that new low weight. That is the reality we all must deal with and that is what messes with our heads so much. No matter what we do, it is never easy.

    So a steak day today. I really don't like to go the entire day without eating. But I would love to see a good drop in the scale for tomorrow. I already went down 1.3lbs this morning and am confident that had I stayed the course I would have made it back down by the end of the week. But it has been a couple years since my last steak day and wanted to see how my body and my scale react to it. And I really am missing the tennis courts. Good news is that the weather is supposed to start drying out after today so I will be on court tomorrow, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday.

    I am not discouraged or panicked. Just got my work cut out for me but I am in for the long haul.

    To be continued.

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    Steak day complete. Down 1.9lbs to 213.1. No bm for a couple of days so I am still carrying around all of that steak I guess. Either way that is 3lbs downward in the last couple of days so at least the trend is heading in the right direction. No tennis since last Thursday. Have to think that has something to do with all of this. Really the only thing missing in my routine that is normally there. But as usual the underlying issue is my body is most likely reacting to something I ate. Or maybe my body is hanging on to extra water and solid waste. I think our nature is to automatically accuse ourselves of "doing something wrong" when the scale goes up. The reality is that there is a huge range of contributing factors in this and we truly cannot understand how all of them work together to end up with the results we end up with. Either way, the trend line is pointed downward which is encouraging. Tennis tonight and tomorrow night which is most welcome.

    Like I said yesterday, not discouraged or panicked. But I am annoyed by the bump up in weight. I do my best to take these things in stride and play the long game but as with anybody else, seeing the scale go up is never welcome. But that is why we jump on the scale every day.

    I have a lingering question about this protocol. Do you think that doing this protocol makes us oversensitive to foods and actually hurts our ability to stay at a healthy weight long term? My fear is that once we take this ride that this is the only way for us to lose weight moving forward. Kind of dependent on the protocol. I am not saying this is the case, just wondering aloud. I was reading an old post on steak days yesterday and somebody was mentioning that they gain weight after eating cabbage. Cabbage? So now cabbage makes us gain weight? come on. Have we messed ourselves up to the point where our body cannot handle cabbage? Maybe that is the product of weighing every day and trying to assign blame for weight gain. Not sure. Just wondering. But then again, I bet if a non protocol person got on the scale every morning they would see wide variations as well. The main difference is that these people are not in tune to this and ignore the small fluctuations. Either way it is an interesting ride.

    Oh and one last thought. I really dislike steak days. I would take a week of P2 eating over a steak day any time. I don't like skipping meals all day. Then you get to the evening you are very hungry. Didn't even enjoy the steak to be honest. Not a fan.

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    Jeff, Am on computer at 8 a.m. this morning. Read your post yesterday, but wanted to let you do your musings by yourself, and come to your own conclusions. But first thig this a.m wanted to check in on how your steak day went, if that is what you decided to do. or maybe you just decided to ride out the week? This 2 week p2 was, like u say a experiment of sorts, and from the get go you have been curious as to stabization afterwards. I am wondering if the extreme difference in tennis activity has something to do with the gain, and not the food you have eaten? Everyone is so individual and each person's body metabolism is unique in certain ways and reactions, it is likely a continual experiement for all of us. Good luck , hope it went ok. Has your wife experienced the same uptick after her 2 week protocol? I will be ending my round this Thursday, back to P3 on Sunday, so sorta like a 2 week round since going back on P2 for 14 days. I figured it out just now--I did load for 2 days, and during the past13 days, have lost 11.4 lbs, but that includes loading weight gained. Since my last dose weight prior to planned interruption, losses only 6.6 of new weight. Maybe more will be lost over the next 4 weigh=ins before P3 eating on Sunday, we'll see. But come what may, last dose day is tomorrow and that will be the official last dose weight. Just wondering if wife is having similar issues with holding on to lbs lost. And it seems she and I have lost similarly during these 2 week backtracks on p2. You lost significantly more, but women are "fat hoarders" for scientific reasons, so 6-7 lbs is a wonderful amount to lose in 2 weeks for us, actually. But like you, we want to keep those losses. Hope you report in today, let us know how it is going I know a lot people read these postds that don't comment. Have a gret Tuesday, hope the rain has eased there, and you are able to get back on tennis courts you love.

    P.S. our posts crossed in the internet world. Good news that you lost some and are trending down. Some interesting observations there, I had to ask about the cabbage weight gain that many have mentioned myself. I think they were referring to sensitivities and inflammation caused by those mostly, I would think of water retention. I don't really plan on steak days, myself. I think Tracy did one but had ground beef on lettuce with mayo one night and had a huge apple (i think) I could do that easier than a steak , and she lost over 3 lbs. Not a fan of not eating all day Hope your drop continues It may just need a few days to stablize.

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    Hello Dubbles, hope you are well. I really think it is a combination of "all of the above" in my case. A big deviation in my activity level, some food reaction, body water, wine, weather and maybe something else I am missing. Not sure if there is even a dominant influencer to blame. I will continue to ride it out and be vigilant. But at this point I am only one week in so at this time big fluctuations are normal so just going to hang in. I am glad I tried the steak day even though it was not enjoyable. It helps with perspective at the very least.

    My wife hasn't mentioned anything about her weight and that can be taken either way, but judging by what she is eating, she should be doing well. Plus she for the most part loses slowly because she eats very small portions thanks to her surgery. Our son is back from college and that changes the type of food that is in the kitchen a bit but we are hanging in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonblack View Post
    Hello Dubbles, hope you are well. I really think it is a combination of "all of the above" in my case. A big deviation in my activity level, some food reaction, body water, wine, weather and maybe something else I am missing. Not sure if there is even a dominant influencer to blame. I will continue to ride it out and be vigilant. But at this point I am only one week in so at this time big fluctuations are normal so just going to hang in. I am glad I tried the steak day even though it was not enjoyable. It helps with perspective at the very least.

    My wife hasn't mentioned anything about her weight and that can be taken either way, but judging by what she is eating, she should be doing well. Plus she for the most part loses slowly because she eats very small portions thanks to her surgery. Our son is back from college and that changes the type of food that is in the kitchen a bit but we are hanging in.
    Oh yeah, have late teens, or young adults changes the whole spectrum, ha!

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